Questions for Justin...

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

Simple question, On a Holset Hx35 would a 7blade wheel be a direct swap for my 8blade?? Thanks in advance!

 

[JusMX141]

If the 8-blade has a 54mm inducer or if you have the cover for the 7-blade wheel, then yes. If it's a 56mm as most are, then no.

 

[DSMunknown]

When you gonna post this up Jus?

Hey J-


I got one sitting around in the basement. When the actuator is bolted up, it already has the flapper open partially (IDK, maybe an 1/6th of an inch or so). I know my T25 didn't do that. I tried adding in 3-4 washers in between where the actuator mounts to the towers, thus having the flapper in the closed position. Normal, or should I be looking for another one?


Take care
Anthony

It sounds to me like the head of the actuator is smashed inward slightly, not allowing the actuator arm to fully retract. This is fairly common, and most guys will just replace the actuator....although this is repairable if you have a bench vise and a prybar.

I'll try to explain this as best as possible- I should make a tech article on this with as many smashed actuators as I've repaired.

- Look at the stepdown on the actuator head that's closest to the base. This stepdown shouldn't be pushed inward whatsoever- it should be perpendicular with the bracket mount at the base of the actuator head:

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- If it's pressed inward, it will not only limit the amount of travel that the actuator can open, but it will also not allow the actuator to fully retract and hold the flapper completely shut.

- If yours is pressed inward, try clamping the actuator bracket in a bench vise and use a prybar to GENTLY restore the head to it's original state. I can't stress gently enough...if you're too rough you'll bend the actuator bracket or damage the head enought to ruin the actuator.

- You'll need to be creative here- there's not a lot of places to pry against. I normally use some wedges and wood blocks to get the job done.

Let me know if you have any questions- I know this is alot to understand.

~Jus

 

[JusMX141]

Jesus...how old is that one?

I gotta empty my PM box weekly just to stay ahead- I honestly don't even remember that conversation.

 

[DSMunknown]

That was 2.26.09 I only kept it because of the beneficial info for others in the community. I was going to post it up a while ago myself in the Tech section, but you know what they say about procrastinators.... And now we have this great thread!

 

[talonDSMerr]

Hey Justin,

Do you happen to know what the diameter of the big retaining ring that holds the compressor housing onto hx35's is? Free diameter or installed diameter would both work, thanks!

 

[JusMX141]

Free diameter is around 6-1/2"; as it sits in the groove it's at around 6-1/4".

 

[Ppayer38]

Real Garrett?
What would this thing spool at on a stock motor? Ex. No cams, head work, just supporting mods
Needs a rebuild so is it worth buying?
If so what would you pay for it?

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[JusMX141]

I wouldn't want it unless it was free. It could be a complete pile of junk....and who would want a complete pile of junk that may have no promise of fitting a DSM regardless?

That's a Stage 1 turbine- almost as small as a TD05H. Nobody makes a DSM bolt-on Garrett housing for a Stage 1 turbine wheel.

 

[ilco187]

Guess i can join in on the fun. I got this turbo with my car and the numbers show its a big 16g it looks ported and clipped or do you see anything different like could it be a bastard 20g etc.

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[Ppayer38]

Thanks ya sir! all I needed to know haha

 

[BlackMount]

can you give me some info on Volvo\mitsu Turbos? I have a small collection of them, TDO4HL-13C-6, TDO4HL-13G, TDO4HL-15G, TDO4HL-15T, TDO4HL-19T

I have one to several of each listed...at 35$ a pop i can't help myself when I see one at the junkyard .

can you give me any info on these? are they any good? General, to some, to an extensive amount of info. any of which would be appreciated...

right now I have a setup ready to install at anytime with a TD04HL-15G, all coolant lines, oil feed\return, and everything ready to go, fitted on a 2G Ported Manifold with a port matched Mitsu to T3 style flange adapter and 800cc injectors.. Have not tested set up tho.

 

[JusMX141]

Guess i can join in on the fun. I got this turbo with my car and the numbers show its a big 16g it looks ported and clipped or do you see anything different like could it be a bastard 20g etc.

Big 16G, ported and clipped 15*. Nothing special- a clip on a Big 16G is actually a complete waste of resources unless you're running a lot of boost or have an engine with more displacement than stock.

can you give me some info on Volvo\mitsu Turbos? I have a small collection of them, TDO4HL-13C-6, TDO4HL-13G, TDO4HL-15G, TDO4HL-15T, TDO4HL-19T

can you give me any info on these? are they any good? General, to some, to an extensive amount of info. any of which would be appreciated...

Yup- every single one is smaller and has less potential than a 14B, so I'd be selling them all on eBay if I were in your shoes and buying something that is actually worth installing.

right now I have a setup ready to install at anytime with a TD04HL-15G, all coolant lines, oil feed\return, and everything ready to go, fitted on a 2G Ported Manifold with a port matched Mitsu to T3 style flange adapter and 800cc injectors.. Have not tested set up tho.

A complete waste of time and injector for a turbo that is not much larger than a T25 in terms of mass airflow. As stated above, you would be better-off selling that unit and all the others for double what you paid and buying a good used Evo III 16G with your winnings.

 

[BlackMount]

Big 16G, ported and clipped 15*. Nothing special- a clip on a Big 16G is actually a complete waste of resources unless you're running a lot of boost or have an engine with more displacement than stock.


Yup- every single one is smaller and has less potential than a 14B, so I'd be selling them all on eBay if I were in your shoes and buying something that is actually worth installing.


A complete waste of time and injector for a turbo that is not much larger than a T25 in terms of mass airflow. As stated above, you would be better-off selling that unit and all the others for double what you paid and buying a good used Evo III 16G with your winnings.

soo although that are considerably larger insize compared to a 14B it means nothing, and they flow like shit? (except the 13XX they were tiny tiny.) I see 3kgt guys run 10's on dual 15G's and it's pretty impressive, this is what raised my curiousity.

Hybrid 20G vs 19T

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I have a picture of a 14B and a 15G somewhere comparison somewhere.

The whole idea i got out of these turbo's is "junkyard" builds. I spent about 250$ total getting everything i need to be turbo on my Talon including turbo, manifold, wideband, turbo, ecu, injectors etc.

everything custom made or found in the junkyard. my fmic came from a Starion, its decent size should be enough.

 

[delta448]

IMHO, anything with a TD04 hotside is going to suck more than a T25 on a DSM.

The 15G, 15T and 19T compressors are not absolutely horrid, if they were just mated to a different turbine. The 19T compressor, the largest you have listed, is comparable to a 16G compressor but with less high boost capability. The 15G wheel is comparable to a 14B.

You can find compressor maps for many of these turbos on this page.

 

[JusMX141]

I see 3kgt guys run 10's on dual 15G's and it's pretty impressive, this is what raised my curiousity.

They're feeding one side of a 3.0, so a 34 lb/min turbo feeding a 1.5L engine in an AWD platform could equal 10's. Hell we have 16G guys going 10's with a 40 lb/min turbo on a 2.0.

The 14B uses a TD05H turbine compared to the TD04HL turbine of the 15G which is about the size of a T25.

The 15G compressor is rated at nearly the same airflow as a 14B, but the turbine itself is a restriction...you'd need a much larger TD04HL turbine housing to equal the same peak flow as a TD05H turbine in a 6cm or 7cm housing.

Again, visual size of the compressor cover has nothing to do with the amount of airflow a turbo can make. A 14B uses the same physical cover as an Evo III 16G, and and there's an 8-10 lb/min difference in peak compressor flow between those two units.

 

[awdmonster1904]

I have a frank L2 @30psi not sure if it is tdo6 or tdo5 will it be a big difference if I go with the Fp green


I plan to run 30 psi on the green would it be worth it swapping to turbos or just keep the frank L2 o. There

On my current setup I ran 11.7 @122
Shooting for low 11 to mid 11 on the green on stock block ?? Possible ??

 

[JusMX141]

Frank L2's have a TD06 turbine.

Are you looking at the revised FP HTA Green or one of the older Greens with a T04E50 compressor and TD06H turbine?

 

[awdmonster1904]

Frank L2's have a TD06 turbine.

Are you looking at the revised FP HTA Green or one of the older Greens with a T04E50 compressor and TD06H turbine?

Actually the older Fp green

 

[JusMX141]

Not much of an upgrade....expect the same as going from a Big 16G to a 18G.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

What have you heard about the new FP Green?
Anyone thats ran it yet?

 

[kidtsi]

What have you heard about the new FP Green?
Anyone thats ran it yet?

Me...

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

How much do you LOVE IT?!?!?!

 

[kidtsi]

How much do you LOVE IT?!?!?!

too much...

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

too much...

I ran the old one.. Did you? I want to know if there was much of a difference. I think i found the turbo for my next build