No Start, Cranks, Sputters, Smokes.

[Leonthefaded]

Alot of research so far. Alot of reading how to diagnose a no start. Was about to tow her away when I found some motivation and encouragement.

Cranks all day, never sputter to try to start before, so I think I'mn on the right track, now it seems as if the car wants to start but just cant. Alot of consistant sputtering, some cutout no backfiring.

The smoke produced smells like fuel, maybe old or dirty fuel.

Done:
Compression Test: 120, 120, 120, 120
Timing to include balance and waterpump
Coolant temp sensor
ECU switched
Fuel filter replace
Battery charged
Connectors checked
Starter checked
Alt Checked
Coilpack checked
Igniter checked
MPI/MFI checked
Fuel pump replaced
Accessory belts replaced
OBD2 cleared
Sparkplug wires replaced
FPR replaced
FPS replaced
BCS replaced
BLT completed (No boostleak present)
Vacuum lines replaced (Vacuum good)
Jump start fail

Thank you tuners for the help and forum support wether indirect or direct so far.
Here are some videos:

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[92AWDHX40]

How about the fuel injectors are those good, is the ecu good the one you switched? Compression 0 in three cylinders? right, 120 in one. If thats it seems you have compression issues.

 

[Leonthefaded]

Sorry everyone ignore the compression test results those arent it, I lost the results I'm gonna do another one now

 

[Tiki2777]

Sorry everyone ignore the compression test results those arent it, I lost the results I'm gonna do another one now

did you even replace the plugs yet...?

 

[Leonthefaded]

I did just buy those sparkplugs before the car died more than a month ago. Do you think they might be the problem? They are the NGK BPR6EIX's I also replaced the sparkplug wires. I better list that.

When I started my compression test I found that all 4 sparkplugs were completely soaked in fuel. Also when I removed the sparkplugs a good amount of smoky "mist" came from all 4 sparkplug holes, of course smelled of fuel.

 

[jtmcinder]

For the purposes of the staff-only pool, I call timing.

 

[Leonthefaded]

For the purposes of the staff-only pool, I call timing.

Oh god I hope not. I mustve done the timing 8 times and checked it 8 times each time. When I got it right it was crazy relief. In light of the question of if I replaced the sparkplugs. My bro is heading to the store to see about a set of new sparkplugs. I swear if it was sparkplugs the whole time ill... I dunno

 

[jtmcinder]

8? But 8 isn't divisible by 3. tee hee

 

[jrohner]

Wrong firing order - put your plug wires on right.

 

[Calan]

I thought you decided to sell it?

 

[Leonthefaded]

I thought you decided to sell it?

I did. But after talking to some wisemen, and some of my mechanic buddies. I decided to do this. Post it. Work it slowly and take my time. Tomorrow however mitsubishi is going to diagnose it too.

I think I may have done the compression test incorrectly I'm gonna give it another one


NEW COMPRESSION TEST RESULTS

From Timing cover to fusebox 90, 95, 110, 80 this time done correctly. I misread a step.

 

[delta448]

Compression Test (From timing cover to fuse box 100, 100, 100, 75-85)

That's terrible.

Vacuum lines replaced (Vacuum good)

How do you know?

From Timing cover to fusebox 90, 95, 110, 80 this time done correctly. I misread a step.

Still terrible.

Make sure you're doing it correctly.

For the purposes of the staff-only pool, I call timing.

Agreed. But since you already called it, I'll go with power transistor just for s-n-g.

 

[jtmcinder]

But after talking to some wisemen...

We need the name(s). We have too many of these so-called "wisemen" and this solves the problem of deciding which should go.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Best case scenario mechanical timings off and sparks plug wires were put on out of order.

Or worst case those compression numbers indicate you lunched your motor and its time to rebuild.

That is below service limit in all 4 holes.

For 2G turbo 8.5:1CR:
Standard is 178psi
Service Limit is 133psi

 

[Leonthefaded]

That's terrible.

How do you know?

Still terrible.

Make sure you're doing it correctly.


Agreed. But since you already called it, I'll go with power transistor just for s-n-g.

Damnit I didn't hold down the gas pedal for the last one :\

Well I cant go off my compression test numbers. Dealership should know whats going on. Its funny three different employee's warned me they might not be able to get parts for my car after they diagnose it, and it might be up to me to fix or get them the parts. I always forget our cars are old .

 

[romeen]

As mentioned, the compression results are no bueno. A leak down test will tell you specifically where the pressurized air in the cylinder is leaking from.

Did you by any chance take any pics of the timing mark alignments before putting the timing cover and crap back on?

 

[Leonthefaded]

No only have the intial ones I showed dsmkaui to check my work, those didn't sxave into my phone

 

[eclipse gsx]

those compression test numbers look terrible do a leak down test to make sure as stated above.
have you used a starting fluid.

 

[jtmcinder]

have you used a starting fluid.

He's still posting, so it seems that he's still alive, so I'd guess that he hasn't tried this. Thanks for asking.

 

[Leonthefaded]

He's still posting, so it seems that he's still alive, so I'd guess that he hasn't tried this. Thanks for asking.

He is like the tenth person to suggest starting fluid.
I haven't tried it. Don't think I will. Few more days and the car should be done being diagnosed at mitsubishi. I bet you its gonna be something so simple like I forgot to plug something in all the way

 

[LandoAWD]

He is like the tenth person to suggest starting fluid.
y

It won't help with the crap compression numbers.

Timing is off 2 teeth, for the staff pool. (a guess...not real tech)

 

[gofer]

My timing belt skipped 2 teeth and my compression was still 150 across the board, + or - 5psi, and the car still started it just sounded like ass.

My guess is that he timed it with the cam dowels pointing down.

 

[Leonthefaded]

My timing belt skipped 2 teeth and my compression was still 150 across the board, + or - 5psi, and the car still started it just sounded like ass.

My guess is that he timed it with the cam dowels pointing down.

I made definate sure the dowls were up. The thing that got me was getting the timing marks to line up after tension was applied to the belt. But I finally figured it out after getting pointed in the right direction.

My money if I had a say in the pool, igniter module.

 

[gofer]

Unfortunately the ignitor, or any other ignition component, has nothing to do with low/no compression on one or all of the cylinders. So, assuming you did the compression test as per the FSM which is cut and dry, you timed the motor incorrectly and, when you tried turning it over, the pistons punched the valves and you're seeing the result in the compression numbers.

Knock on a palm tree that your Mitsu mechanic has good news or you'll be doing more than just another timing belt job.

 

[Leonthefaded]

I don't see valve damage in the future. I could lean towards incorrect timing. But I'm confident I did at least that right. My compression test numbers are far from reliable at this point. I didn't follow instructions on howto do a proper compression test so, the numbers are invalid.