My 2G already has a 14B...would a big t28 be a headache?

[carvinbassplyr]

Like the title states I bought my 2G awd Tsi with a 14B mod/upgrade already done to it. Since it's already been converted to the 1G style turbo setup would attempting to put a Big t28 just be a counterproductive headache? The only reason I ask is because I know the Big t28's are rated @ 350hp which is exactly what I'm shooting for. I'm trying to get a turbo with the least amount of lag that will get me to 350 awhp for daily/street driving.

 

[SpawnedX]

How do you guys figure a "little more" for a 68HTA?

How is $925.00 only a "little more" than $499.00? Do you guys even check the information you post before you post it?

OP if you have a 14B just move up to a 16G.

 

[carvinbassplyr]

How do you guys figure a "little more" for a 68HTA?

How is $925.00 only a "little more" than $499.00? Do you guys even check the information you post before you post it?

OP if you have a 14B just move up to a 16G.

I was kind of wondering the same thing...maybe to them if you've already saved that much it's worth it just to double it? Maybe I should also mention that I want this car to be as sleeper as possible and an EVO III 16G is in essence a "stock" turbo and looks as such. Everything will be plumbed back into the exhaust/intake/etc, no venting to the atmosphere or obnoxiously loud O2 dump, I'm going to paint the FMIC with radiator paint when I get it... Cops around here write you tickets for making eye contact with them at a stop light, so drawing any of their attention by having my car spool up louder than a semi and then go PSH PSH would probably get me pulled over and sat in the back of a police car for being a "public menace/disturbance". Plus, I don't want all these guys rolling around in there forced induction monte carlo ss' saying they got a 7 sec car to EVER see me coming!

 

[juanpac0]

 

[carvinbassplyr]

Was it something i said?

 

[juanpac0]

DSMTuners: where everyone runs their turbo at 100% efficiency and makes 400whp on a 16g on 91 pump.

 

[TJCTalon]

You guys are being crazy. The OP is saying he wants a fast spooling 350hp daily driver. E3 16g is perfect, and to whoever said it was hard to do on pump gas your insane. Besides he doesnt have a tunning device yet guys. Telling him to buy hta68 is a tad overkill.

OP your mind is in the right direction. Dont always listen to everyone on this site. I think you should do the e3 route. It will be the simplest and probably cheapest.

 

[rx7ttlm]

Like the title states I bought my 2G awd Tsi with a 14B mod/upgrade already done to it. Since it's already been converted to the 1G style turbo setup would attempting to put a Big t28 just be a counterproductive headache? The only reason I ask is because I know the Big t28's are rated @ 350hp which is exactly what I'm shooting for. I'm trying to get a turbo with the least amount of lag that will get me to 350 awhp for daily/street driving.

Since you already have the that stuff, i would say bolt in a evo III 16g cost is 500-600 depending on vendor and the price of rice in china. It will deliver more than enough happyness as long as you get genuine Evo III. email amber at forced performance for one. They flow enough for over 400 hp. even ported it would be under 700 and you have some turbo to grow on.

 

[overboosted1g]

I sense sarcasm.

DSMTuners: where everyone runs their turbo at 100% efficiency and makes 400whp on a 16g on 91 pump.

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[SpawnedX]

DSMTuners: where everyone runs their turbo at 100% efficiency and makes 400whp on a 16g on 91 pump.

That would matter if his goal was 400 whp, now wouldn't it? Luckily for him his goal is 350.

 

[Killa_dsm]

That would matter if his goal was 400 whp, now wouldn't it? Luckily for him his goal is 350.

I think what he is saying that its not as easy to make the 350whp on pump gas as people make it sound. Yes, its possible and has been done but your tune needs to be on point and not something everyone can do easily.

And he was being sarcastic.

 

[carvinbassplyr]

While it seems pretty evenly split about what E316G's can do...from most of the info I find here and elsewhere it seems like a pretty solid choice, unless I really wanna deal with headache of fabbing a Holset setup. Those of u saying 1000cc injectors are too big and I should go with 750's...would those still be big enough should I decide to switch to ethanol in the summer when gas jumps to $6/gal?

 

[Ppayer38]

E316g is the turbo to get for your goal I believe! You can find great deals on here or buy it new from FP at an amazing price.. I loved mine when I had it!
Now 350AWHP isnt as easy as it sounds but is doable and still be reliable without a problem....A HX35 wouldbe overkill for your 350AWHP goal and if you want to make life a little easier you cna go with the 20g FP offers at a really good price($500)and just get yourself a DSM 7cm housing and you will crank out 350AWHP even easier for minimal price difference.
This is my turbo of choice because spool time is not much different and youll be set for you HP goals and be veyr happy on the street...
Lets see everybodies opinion on this!

 

[carvinbassplyr]

E316g is the turbo to get for your goal I believe! You can find great deals on here or buy it new from FP at an amazing price.. I loved mine when I had it!
Now 350AWHP isnt as easy as it sounds but is doable and still be reliable without a problem....A HX35 wouldbe overkill for your 350AWHP goal and if you want to make life a little easier you cna go with the 20g FP offers at a really good price($500)and just get yourself a DSM 7cm housing and you will crank out 350AWHP even easier for minimal price difference.
This is my turbo of choice because spool time is not much different and youll be set for you HP goals and be veyr happy on the street...
Lets see everybodies opinion on this!

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly... your suggesting a 20G with a 7cm housing because, I'm assuming, that's smaller than what usually comes on a 20G. By doing this it will spool faster and since I'm only looking for 350AWHP the top end I'll loose by doing that wont be as much of an issue since I should be well within my HP goals. Sound about right?

 

[Ppayer38]

20g from FP come withy a T3 housing which you can use but it is much easier to get a DSM housing swap it on then it is an MHI unit that is direct replacment just like the 16g would be...
FP 20g uses the TD05H turbine wheel so you get fast spool and like all 20g's the top end will pull better than a 16g anyday and it will get you to your 350AWHP without a problem on pump gas and it is still fairly cheap with reliablility... Also it is tuner friendly since it comes come on as fast and hard as a 16g it is less prone to knock
I believe Justin himself said that the 20g/TD05H was his favorite street turbo cause of spool and the power it puts out

 

[carvinbassplyr]

20g from FP come withy a T3 housing which you can use but it is much easier to get a DSM housing swap it on then it is an MHI unit that is direct replacment just like the 16g would be...
FP 20g uses the TD05H turbine wheel so you get fast spool and like all 20g's the top end will pull better than a 16g anyday and it will get you to your 350AWHP without a problem on pump gas and it is still fairly cheap with reliablility... Also it is tuner friendly since it comes come on as fast and hard as a 16g it is less prone to knock
I believe Justin himself said that the 20g/TD05H was his favorite street turbo cause of spool and the power it puts out

A suggestion like this I can see someone saying "well since you're spending $499 on a E316G, you might as well spend a little more on a 20G" cause it is in fact only a little more. I was kind of shying away from the 20G cause I was being told by guys around here, and would kind of assume cause it's bigger, that the spool time would be to slow/wouldn't hit hard enough for a fun DD street car. However I do have turbo back 3" exhaust with a cat eliminator down pipe so maybe spool wont be an issue. I would much rather have a turbo "comfortably" handling/making 350AWHP then a turbo that was running at it's max day in an day out just to make those numbers...something is bound to go wrong.

 

[empie1]

Reading these posts makes me feel like im listening to a bunch of high school girls bicker about what brand makeup to use. Its been said probably 100000 times on this site...buy a e316g. Easy swap. Great numbers. Enough said. Quit arguing.

 

[Zdrummer15]

While it seems pretty evenly split about what E316G's can do...from most of the info I find here and elsewhere it seems like a pretty solid choice, unless I really wanna deal with headache of fabbing a Holset setup. Those of u saying 1000cc injectors are too big and I should go with 750's...would those still be big enough should I decide to switch to ethanol in the summer when gas jumps to $6/gal?

If you think it's a possibility that you might switch to e85 then go with bigger injectors. 1000cc injectors with e85 are equal to 670cc injectors with regular pump gas.

 

[Killa_dsm]

E316g is the turbo to get for your goal I believe! You can find great deals on here or buy it new from FP at an amazing price.. I loved mine when I had it!
Now 350AWHP isnt as easy as it sounds but is doable and still be reliable without a problem....A HX35 wouldbe overkill for your 350AWHP goal and if you want to make life a little easier you cna go with the 20g FP offers at a really good price($500)and just get yourself a DSM 7cm housing and you will crank out 350AWHP even easier for minimal price difference.
This is my turbo of choice because spool time is not much different and youll be set for you HP goals and be veyr happy on the street...
Lets see everybodies opinion on this!

I would have to agree. A e16g would probably fit the op's needs without the complication of swapping out to a non mitsu style turbo. I also like your idea of the fp 20g with the 7cm bolted to it, would make the goal of 350whp a bit easier.

 

[carvinbassplyr]

I would have to agree. A e16g would probably fit the op's needs without the complication of swapping out to a non mitsu style turbo. I also like your idea of the fp 20g with the 7cm bolted to it, would make the goal of 350whp a bit easier.

So would you and Ppayer agree that A.) putting the 7cm housing "uncomplicates" the 20G setup and B.) would therefore be the better/more reliable option?

 

[donniekak]

And... the T-28 Flows almost exactly the same as the B16g.

And it costs almost exactly twice as much.

 

[91stocker]

I'm surprised people aren't suggesting supporting mods first. He doesnt have the mods to max out the 14b that he currently has. If his mod list is up to date. Ofcourse its easier to make the same numbers on a larger turbo. But someone on here has made 350whp on a 14b. Not typical, only one ive heard of but still. I say trying making 300 crank hp on the 14b first. Max out what you have before upgrading turbos again...

 

[carvinbassplyr]

I'm surprised people aren't suggesting supporting mods first. He doesnt have the mods to max out the 14b that he currently has. If his mod list is up to date. Ofcourse its easier to make the same numbers on a larger turbo. But someone on here has made 350whp on a 14b. Not typical, only one ive heard of but still. I say trying making 300 crank hp on the 14b first. Max out what you have before upgrading turbos again...

Mod list is not up-to-date. I now have a FP 255 fp with an AEM AFPR on the way. Then will come the MBC and FMIC. The car came with 14B when I bought it so it wasn't my time/money spent doin the upgrade. I do plan on maxing out the 14B first, but when I'm ready to upgrade I'd rather already have the knowledge and have already planned to buy what I need which is why I'm doing ground work now.

 

[91stocker]

Thats a good start. Nice that the hard part in the 14b swap was already done. Add some injectors to the list and something to tune with and you can push that 14b hard. Very stout little turbo. With the high comp in the 2g's 300bhp will be easy. 1g's are making around 300awhp on stock low comp bottom ends and shitty (huge port) heads.

 

[carvinbassplyr]

Thats a good start. Nice that the hard part in the 14b swap was already done. Add some injectors to the list and something to tune with and you can push that 14b hard. Very stout little turbo. With the high comp in the 2g's 300bhp will be easy. 1g's are making around 300awhp on stock low comp bottom ends and shitty (huge port) heads.

NO DOUBT! Honestly...I could ###### get enough power from the 14B to be "fast enough" for me...but as soon as a friend or aquaintence of mine rolls up in a fox body stang or something of the like, and starts pulling away from me by 3rd gear I'll just have to have more power!

 

[Ppayer38]

It is your choice on what you wanna buy to be honest.... I say the go for spending just a little more and get the 20g and look for a good used 7cm housing(Justin or pj90x may habe 1 laying around) and throw it on the car to make your world alot easier.
e316g will be a little harder to maek that power with but will get you to your goal no problem so it is all about what you wanna do