1G Installing 2G 4G63 into 1G

[Marceagle]

If i use eagle talon 1994 with 2g engine inside the crank broken so thats why i want to swap 1g engine to replace them what is the difference about the wiring i use the same intake im porting the head so now this is fit pretty good same exaust manifold and turbo from the 2g engine


Sorry i put the wrong information thats 1g inside the engine the old engine and now i want to swap 2g inside

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

It would be a "downgrade" (6 bolt stronger bottom end than a 7 bolt) but if you were to do it, you would keep your head, intake and exhaust all with the car and only change the shortblock.

 

[pauleyman]

It would be a "downgrade" (6 bolt stronger bottom end than a 7 bolt) but if you were to do it, you would keep your head, intake and exhaust all with the car and only change the shortblock.

Am I reading this wrong? 94 which would be a 7 bolt.

Op your posts are very difficult to read. You want to use a 94 engine in a 95?

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Maybe I'M reading it wrong Paul. He said "2g" motor so of course I ASSUMED.........BAD MARTY

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[Marceagle]

Sorry for the last post i put the wrong information about the car

Eagle Talon 1994 the engine bay
So now I wanna put 2g engine 7-bolt inside (because the last one broken 1g)
I use the same intake from the 1g engine
I'm porting head to match that one

And my question is for the electrical about the crankshaft sensor and cam sensor i don't have it on my harness how to plug this

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[pauleyman]

Please reread your posts. I cant even tell what kind of car you have.
Do you have a 95 car or 94 car?
Please try and use whole sentences so we can tell what you have and what you need so we can help you.

 

[Marceagle]

Please reread your posts. I cant even tell what kind of car you have.
Do you have a 95 car or 94 car?
Please try and use whole sentences so we can tell what you have and what you need so we can help you.

This is the second generation the motor on the picture i wanna lower that's one on the car but the problem is the car . this is first generation (eagle 1994 1g) so i don't have the crank sensor on the car and cam sensor male plug... i just have female plug on the motor

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[pauleyman]

This is the second generation the motor on the picture i wanna lower thats one on the car but the problem is the car . this is first generation (eagle 1994 1g) so i dont have the crank sensor on the car and cam sensor male plug... i just have female plug on the motor

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Wouldn't matter. 2g engine diesnt have engine mount bosses front or rear. You can't bolt in a 2g block into a 1g car

Wouldn't matter. 2g engine diesnt have engine mount bosses front or rear. You can't bolt in a 2g block into a 1g car

And to answer your question 1g doesn't use a crank sensor.

 

[Marceagle]

Wouldn't matter. 2g engine diesnt have engine mount bosses front or rear. You can't bolt in a 2g block into a 1g car

I drop the engine inside the eagle yesterday and yes you just need too use the support from 1g to bolt on

And to answer your question 1g doesn't use a crank sensor.

I know but this is my question the car is the first generation but the engine i wanna swap inside is the second generation plug conversion for crank sensor and cam sensor too add or if i use the harness from second generation and i plug inside engine bay this is work with ecm

 

[pauleyman]

I think you're missing the point. You can't use that engine at all as it won't bolt into a 1g car. It can't. 1g uses front and rear mounts on the block. 2g uses them on the trans.

I drop the engine inside the eagle yesterday and yes you just need too use the support from 1g to bolt on

If you have all 4 motor mounts present then you don't have a 2g block. Clarify please..

 

[Marceagle]

I think you're missing the point. You can't use that engine at all as it won't bolt into a 1g car. It can't. 1g uses front and rear mounts on the block. 2g uses them on the trans.


If you have all 4 motor mounts present then you don't have a 2g block. Clarify please..

I show you tonight with the picture but this is the second generation i swap inside the first generation i use the support from first generation and i bolt on the second generation the second generation the intake port is smaller on the head cylinder but im porting to match the intake from first generation same bolt patern

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I think you're missing the point. You can't use that engine at all as it won't bolt into a 1g car. It can't. 1g uses front and rear mounts on the block. 2g uses them on the trans.


If you have all 4 motor mounts present then you don't have a 2g block. Clarify

3 motor mount fits. one backward to motor fits. from first generation

I use the motor mount first generation same for timing belt side

But the front motor mount needs to modification because front the block of the motor the hole for the bolt is on right side not on the left

 

[steve]

Moved since this has little to do with swapping a Turbo engine into a 1G NA.

Please don't hack up the 2G head to fit your 1G intake manifold. Use a small port IM to keep the correct airflow.

 

[Marceagle]

I think you're missing the point. You can't use that engine at all as it won't bolt into a 1g car. It can't. 1g uses front and rear mounts on the block. 2g uses them on the trans.


If you have all 4 motor mounts present then you don't have a 2g block. Clarify please..

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I use all mount from 1g just the fronward i need to build one

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

I guess where there is a will there is a way! Anxious to see how this works out.

 

[curt-s]

Would have made it more clear by stating that you made your own mount. that's not a modification to the mount.

I'd be most concerned about offset stresses on those front block bolt bosses and the size of them being adequate for the increased torque you're applying by shifting the center of mass so far over. Shear stress is going to be considerable

 

[Marceagle]

Would have made it more clear by stating that you made your own mount. that's not a modification to the mount.

I'd be most concerned about offset stresses on those front block bolt bosses and the size of them being adequate for the increased torque you're applying by shifting the center of mass so far over. Shear stress is going to be considerable

You have 3 another mount

 

[curt-s]

There's a reason why there are four and all the other mounts are centered or nearly over their attachment points. Their bosses are also quite thick and designed for the load.

 

[Marceagle]

My simple question is not for the mount this is not my firts swap i make i just for electrical inside engine bay about the crank sensor and cam sensor but no people help me about this so i figure by myself

All motor and car possible fits just use patience

 

[pauleyman]

Use your 1g components. Ignore the crank sensor. Use the 1g cam sensor. Can't remember if the intake came is drilled to accept this so you may need the 1g cam also.
Everything else just use what you have.

 

[Marceagle]

Use your 1g components. Ignore the crank sensor. Use the 1g cam sensor. Can't remember if the intake came is drilled to accept this so you may need the 1g cam also.
Everything else just use what you have.

Yes this is what i try i see yesterday the tranny use different patern from frontwheeldrive i have 3 another trannny i need to check this if is not the same patern i have problem right there

 

[pauleyman]

Yes this is what i try i see yesterday the tranny use different patern from frontwheeldrive i have 3 another trannny i need to check this if is not the same patern i have problem right

Fwd and awd use same pattern. The difference is 1g and 2g. They are different. I know a 2g trans will bolt to a 1g block but if memory serves one bolt won't be used. I can't tell you if it goes the other way. If you're swapping awd/fwd stuff you need to know starter plates are different etc.
You've think you've made alot of assumptions about what you can do. Flywheel and clutch are also different.