Ideal surge tank design for DSM road racing

[gixxerdrew]

Supra lift pump, bosch pres pumps. I am keeping the car in the US for now. I'd need a longer term contract before I move everything to JP

 

[FCR]

I plan to use this one in my project....Turbo X's dual pump surge tank (2 liters)

 

[waltizie]

Are you placing it inside the car like Drew or externally like ludachris?

 

[Savage Talon]

How much was it, and is it made for Bosch or Wally pumps?

 

[FCR]

Are you placing it inside the car like Drew or externally like ludachris?

Inside my trunk next to the fuel cell

How much was it, and is it made for Bosch or Wally pumps?

RallySportDirect.com - TurboXS Fuel Surge Tank

 

[gixxerdrew]

I'm not to keen on that design. The bottom plate looks overly heavy, the height proportion to width doesnt follow what I was taught and neither does the pickup locations. That thing looks like more bling bling than go fast

 

[gixxerdrew]

On my car I was able to put it inside the car because a trunk firewall was made. If you don't have that, definitely put it outside.

 

[lowell]

I'm not to keen on that design. The bottom plate looks overly heavy, the height proportion to width doesnt follow what I was taught and neither does the pickup locations. That thing looks like more bling bling than go fast

Well at least the tank is vertical on the Turbo XS unit, although I do agree it looks heavy.

Nissan 350Z Twin Turbo Bosch External Fuel Pump With Surge Tank Photo

 

[gixxerdrew]

I'm speechless

 

[waltizie]

That's just horrific.

 

[waltizie]

Ludachris and FCR do you have any updates?

 

[Ludachris]

Ludachris and FCR do you have any updates?

Nothing new on my end - life has been getting in the way the past few months. Sorry. I still haven't gotten my exhaust project done yet.

 

[klevur1]

I'm new to this forum & am thus far impressed by the different discussions of the configurations of go fast goodies.. function taking the lead a bit over show. Awesome! I love seeing that. Glad I came across this forum =)

Nice to see Turbo XS being called out haha no offense though.. yeah that plate seems a little thick for the application. Could use a nice shaving.

 

[waltizie]

Here is one that I'm thinking about getting when I replace the fuel lines. click

 

[Ludachris]

I'd like to revive this thread to see if some of the engineer types might be able to answer some questions...

If going with a round design that will lay horizontally from front to back on the car, where should the inlets/outlets be located?

How thick should the tank wall be?

I think we may finally have a vendor willing to produce something for us.

 

[e85_4g63]

Chris, I would have to do a little research but laying a tank down like that, without internal baffling, seems like a def. no no. On the other hand, it depends on the tank size and internal tapper (if any), kind of like the Magnus sheetmetal intake mani's, only with the tapper getting larger towards the rear of the car, if that makes sense. I'm dead tired right now....

As for in's and out's, I'm not with it enough for that, I'd probably give the wrong info, which would be worse then no info as we all know.

 

[Ludachris]

Chris, I would have to do a little research but laying a tank down like that, without internal baffling, seems like a def. no no. On the other hand, it depends on the tank size and internal tapper (if any), kind of like the Magnus sheetmetal intake mani's, only with the tapper getting larger towards the rear of the car, if that makes sense. I'm dead tired right now....

As for in's and out's, I'm not with it enough for that, I'd probably give the wrong info, which would be worse then no info as we all know.

AMS sells their surge tank for the Evo, which is to be mounted horizontally - and they use it in road racing. It's a square design, but it' still horizontal. I'm not sure a round design would be much different or would require any more baffling than a square design.

 

[snowborder714]

The square design would make it much easier to weld fitting on, unless you still plan on going with the angled design, which I'm not sure if it would make as much of a difference with a horizontal mount.

 

[Ludachris]

Well, maybe we need to ask this question - for a horizontal tank design, would a round tank or square tank be ideal? Keep in mind the tank will likely be mounted front to back just like AMS mounts their tank.

 

[TSiAWD666]

Luda, did you get anywhere with this? On my agenda now.

Just found this, and the price is very very nice:

Fully Enclosed FP34 044 Fuel Surge Tank - 034 MOTORSPORT

Before any knee-jerk reactions come I better say it can be mounted vertically (not sure why you'd want to mount it horizontally but it's an option).

I think this is going to be my surge tank solution, going in the engine bay where my battery used to be.

 

[Ludachris]

Luda, did you get anywhere with this? On my agenda now.

Just found this, and the price is very very nice:

Fully Enclosed FP34 044 Fuel Surge Tank - 034 MOTORSPORT

Before any knee-jerk reactions come I better say it can be mounted vertically (not sure why you'd want to mount it horizontally but it's an option).

I think this is going to be my surge tank solution, going in the engine bay where my battery used to be.

Haven't made any progress on this yet. This looks like a nice solution. I wanted to mount it horizontally in the rear next to the tank under the car. Would make it easier for me and would prevent even more added weight to the front, keeping my engine bay less cluttered. I'll be considering this.

 

[daplatano91]

What about making it able to mount where the charcoal canister usually would be?

 

[TSiAWD666]

I called 034. The dimension of the 034 fuel surge tank is 4" diameter and 9.5" tall without fittings. With fittings I estimate it at about 11.5" tall. I'm hoping to put it above my lowered battery (JMF battery tray) but I don't know if it will have enough room. I don't have my car as it's getting its engine swapped but will check it when I get the car back hopefully tomorrow. If it doesn't fit I may have a shop lower my battery further as I think there's still space between the JMF small battery tray and the front subframe, but not sure.

 

[Strm Trpr]

Oh, wow, that is clean.
I may need to look into this.

 

[TSiAWD666]

Stopped by the shop that's swapping in my new engine and took a look around my empty engine bay. No way this will fit vertically above my JMF battery in its lowered position. Did notice lots of free space behind the block and so this might fit down there over the subframe. However I'm not keen on this as it makes maintenance on it difficult. I may look at mounting my battery even lower than the JMF tray sits, as I thnk there's still a bit more room below it to the subframe. Otherwise maybe I just have to move the battery to the trunk and put these thing in its place.