I was dead set on a 4088 until I read this...

[jkimes]

Cheese and rice.. can we please stop bickering? I think we all realize that DSMlink is a good cheap tuning tool and that AEM is better and more advanced but also more expensive. The real issue here is that I don't think I can afford to switch from DSMlink to AEM right now and I want to know if I can reach my horsepower goals without doing so.

 

[NewTurboTuner]

I think most of us understood unlmtdndeavor. Also people should take in account that HP will be gained by switching to AEM, simply because you don't have any MAF/MAS in the intake. With MAP sensor you got nothing but nice open pipes! Don't worry about Slippi (he's only arguing because you agreed with me) I don't think he's got his stuff strait. Arguing for jkimes to go DSMlink @ 700+hp, while telling us "your right about EMS being better", and simultaneously saying that... I'm talking out my ass because I recommend AEM. Seems a little mixed up to me. I never heard ANYONE recommend DSMLink for a 700+hp car before

jkimes as far as making your goal with DSMLink ....I think you could make your 500whp goal ok. Theres a guy around my area that makes 550-600ish whp (race gas) with DSM link. His street ability is suffering, but he's getting by with it for now. Honestly though.... before today I never even heard of 700+whp cars with DSMLink. Thats news to me, but I guess anything is possible.

jkimes what is your time frame for building this 700whp beast? If you're like most DSM'ers (and like me) it may be awhile. Maybe you should see how much $$$ it takes to get to 500whp on pump gas 1st? You might be suprised at how much it take$ just to do that (I know I have been). Personally if I did not have the $$$ for AEM, then the thought of 700whp wouldnt even cross my mind. It's like Twicks said.... be prepared to break alot of siht. If you can't afford AEM, then multiple tranny rebuilds arent going to work either

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

Cheese and rice.. can we please stop bickering? I think we all realize that DSMlink is a good cheap tuning tool and that AEM is better and more advanced but also more expensive. The real issue here is that I don't think I can afford to switch from DSMlink to AEM right now and I want to know if I can reach my horsepower goals without doing so.

Being able to reach your power goals with dsmlink as the tuning software, it can be done. Will it be a limiting factor in your setup, most likey. The best way to find out is to just try it. If you can't afford ems, then don't bother even worrying about it. Tackle it when you get there. And like TurboTuner said, 500whp is easily obtainable by DSMLink. The other biggest limiting factor is how well you know the software and how well you tune.

 

[Slippi84]

I think most of us understood unlmtdndeavor. Also people should take in account that HP will be gained by switching to AEM, simply because you don't have any MAF/MAS in the intake. With MAP sensor you got nothing but nice open pipes! Don't worry about Slippi (he's only arguing because you agreed with me) I don't think he's got his stuff strait. Arguing for jkimes to go DSMlink @ 700+hp, while telling us "your right about EMS being better", and simultaneously saying that... I'm talking out my ass because I recommend AEM. Seems a little mixed up to me. I never heard ANYONE recommend DSMLink for a 700+hp car before

jkimes as far as making your goal with DSMLink ....I think you could make your 500whp goal ok. Theres a guy around my area that makes 550-600ish whp (race gas) with DSM link. His street ability is suffering, but he's getting by with it for now. Honestly though.... before today I never even heard of 700+whp cars with DSMLink. Thats news to me, but I guess anything is possible.

jkimes what is your time frame for building this 700whp beast? If you're like most DSM'ers (and like me) it may be awhile. Maybe you should see how much $$$ it takes to get to 500whp on pump gas 1st? You might be suprised at how much it take$ just to do that (I know I have been). Personally if I did not have the $$$ for AEM, then the thought of 700whp wouldnt even cross my mind. It's like Twicks said.... be prepared to break alot of siht. If you can't afford AEM, then multiple tranny rebuilds arent going to work either

I"m not arguing with either of you there's nothing to argue jkimes didn't come on saying dsmlink couldn't support 700whp.

Why don't you ask coltboosting what he thinks about dsmlink

 

[Black_Bullet]

jkimes what is your time frame for building this 700whp beast? If you're like most DSM'ers (and like me) it may be awhile. Maybe you should see how much $$$ it takes to get to 500whp on pump gas 1st? You might be suprised at how much it take$ just to do that (I know I have been). Personally if I did not have the $$$ for AEM, then the thought of 700whp wouldnt even cross my mind. It's like Twicks said.... be prepared to break alot of siht. If you can't afford AEM, then multiple tranny rebuilds arent going to work either

+ 1 ^


Dsmlink will be fine for you imo, but if your using E85 then idk how practicle that would be.

What is your motive to 700hp, maybe I missed something.
Why not 600, why not 500hp? Is this more for dyno queen bragging rights or do you have an actual goal for at the dragstrip? Just wonderin; I see a lot of threads pop up were someone is saying how much power they want without realizing all the cons that come with that power, and without seeing that they likely dont even need as much power as they think they do. ( Not saying thats you ) but you get my point.

But on the other hand, dream big and if you fall short you still will walk away with more than if you had lesser goals to begin with.... Or just smaller pockets

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

I"m not arguing with either of you there's nothing to argue jkimes didn't come on saying dsmlink couldn't support 700whp.

Why don't you ask coltboosting what he thinks about dsmlink

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I'm not saying this is his dsmlink setup either just to show you that he knows his shit and has modded bad ass engines.

thats evil_eagle's engine bay. and thats on AEM.

coltboosting knows what he's doing. but why the pic of jake's engine bay

 

[Black_Bullet]

Yea I knew that was Evil Eagles bay too, ^^ the blue strut bar gave it away for me .

 

[Slippi84]

thats evil_eagle's engine bay. and thats on AEM.

coltboosting knows what he's doing. but why the pic of jake's engine bay

You sure coltbosting posted that pic on the lin forums ? ANyway Ask colt boosting who also runs a gt42r setup on his car what he thinks.

 

[Slippi84]

Yea I knew that was Evil Eagles bay too, ^^ the blue strut bar gave it away for me .

SOrry wrong file I have pictures for days on here i'll fix it.

Edit : I didn't feel like finding which one was coltboostins engine but he has been around the link forums to see big numbers on a bunch of diffrent setups. Jeff Takeuchi made 730whp with dsmlink ...nuff said.

 

[1992awdlaser]

Guys can you stop arguing and ruining this guy's thread. Here are the facts. There might be other things that can be compared but nothing else needs top be said. So STOP

Dsmlink has made over 700whp on a few cars
Aem has made more power than dsmlink

Dsmlink has propelled one car(that we know of) into the 8's and quite a few cars into the 9's
Aem has more people in the 8's and 9's

Dsmlink is more than most people will need
Aem is one of the bests (I say one of because I don't know what haltech or other stand alones offer compared to it.)

Dsmlink has a lot of features and soon will have more (which means that part about aem won't be as strong as an argument but will still be a good argument)
Aem has more features


I have dsmlink and love it and would reccomend it to anybody. If I had the money at the time I would have rather bought AEM though.

 

[Slippi84]

If I had the money at the time I would have rather bought AEM though.

"The real issue here is that I don't think I can afford to switch from DSMlink to AEM right now"

Moving right along ...

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

Can we get back to the turbo discussion now?

 

[Slippi84]

I know you said you were leaning back toward the 4088r but I found somthing from bullet about the s366


" My friend just tuned his 366 (82 ar) to 752whp @ 30lbs (before his tranny blew up). He's got lots more room up top and he's running 9 to 1 comp.

He was at 600whp @ 20lbs. So you gotta figure he's running in the mid 800's when he get's his good tranny to the dyno."

This was on a honda so keep that in mind but that's some big numbers and right up your alley price wise and all.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

I totally thought this was about the S374...oops.

 

[jkimes]

I totally thought this was about the S374...oops.

Im curious about all the large BW turbo's (s366, s370, s374 etc...) since not many people seem to have a clue how they perform on DSM's compared to similar garrett turbos like the gt3582, gt4088, and gt4202.

I know you said you were leaning back toward the 4088r but I found somthing from bullet about the s366


" My friend just tuned his 366 (82 ar) to 752whp @ 30lbs (before his tranny blew up). He's got lots more room up top and he's running 9 to 1 comp.

He was at 600whp @ 20lbs. So you gotta figure he's running in the mid 800's when he get's his good tranny to the dyno."

This was on a honda so keep that in mind but that's some big numbers and right up your alley price wise and all.

That's amazing that an s366 was able to make that much power at such low boost levels. Does he have dyno sheets to prove it?

Edit: Nevermind... I thought those numbers were from a DSM. Hearsay hp numbers from a Honda don't mean much to me.

 

[Slippi84]

Im curious about all the large BW turbo's (s366, s370, s374 etc...) since not many people seem to have a clue how they perform on DSM's compared to similar garrett turbos like the gt3582, gt4088, and gt4202.



That's amazing that an s366 was able to make that much power at such low boost levels. Does he have dyno sheets to prove it?

Edit: Nevermind... I thought those numbers were from a DSM. Hearsay dyno numbers from a Honda don't mean much to me.

Believe me that is not hear say it's nt my place to vouche for other people but trust me bullet is more then reliable as a source. Sacrh the bullseyepower forums there are others

 

[twicks69]

At a quick glance at the Honda making 750 something at 30psi at the front wheels, that comes to around 630whp in an All-Wheel-Drive vehicle taking into account an additional 15% drivetrain loss. If I saw a dyno sheet showing the HP/tq numbers and curve, along with whatever correction factor, I could make a better "apples-to-apples" approximation vs. my current "apples-to-oranges" approximation.

For reference, I did around 635AWHP on 30psi with the GT4088R on the 0.96 A/R housing.

Could you please enlighten me on the specifications of the Borg Warner turbo used on the honda? I would like to see a compressor map and the wheel diameters used. As well, would you know the Honda's displacement and compression ratio?

I look forward to bringing this thread back to a Borg Warner vs. Garrett conversation.

Thanks,

 

[Slippi84]

At a quick glance at the Honda making 750 something at 30psi at the front wheels, that comes to around 630whp in an All-Wheel-Drive vehicle taking into account an additional 15% drivetrain loss. If I saw a dyno sheet showing the HP/tq numbers and curve, along with whatever correction factor, I could make a better "apples-to-apples" approximation vs. my current "apples-to-oranges" approximation.

For reference, I did around 635AWHP on 30psi with the GT4088R on the 0.96 A/R housing.

Could you please enlighten me on the specifications of the Borg Warner turbo used on the honda? I would like to see a compressor map and the wheel diameters used. As well, would you know the Honda's displacement and compression ratio?

I look forward to bringing this thread back to a Borg Warner vs. Garrett conversation.

Thanks,

I hate the i know someone that made x hp game but I"ll hit up mark and tell him to see if he wants to chime in if not than I can not give any more infor then what I already gave. I can find more borg warner comprarisons though from they're site's forum.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

I have the maps for the 372 and the 374. If anyone wants them I could post them up

 

[RipperXX]

Curious of which DSM vendors sell these, most I am looking at don't carry them.

 

[Slippi84]

Curious of which DSM vendors sell these, most I am looking at don't carry them.

Marti at VIP is the guy to talk to and bullseye power is the company that sells borg turbo's.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

I would call or email the guys over at Full Function Full Function: Home they can take care of you. Thats where I get all my stuff

 

[NewTurboTuner]

I have the maps for the 372 and the 374. If anyone wants them I could post them up

Of course! Please do

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

I'll post them up when I get off work, the pics are on my personal computer

 

[1fastlaser]

I have a borg warner s370 that been sitting in my room for 2 months. I need to get a turbine housing for it, manifold etc. to get it on. But i also have aem sitting in my room and that needs to go in first. From what i have measurement wise the s370 is basically a gt4202. Measurements come out the same. Im wondering if i even really wanna run this because im trying to make a more usable power curve.

I am running a g4cs 2.4 with all suporting mods, so it wouldnt be really bad on say a smaller a/r to choke it up a bit but still make mad power up top. I have the s370 for sale brand new if anyone wants it for 800 for now, but once the aem is in a squared away im gonna start gathering stuff to put the turbo on.