GST vs GSX

[srpjosh]

After owning TONS of FWD DSM's, and finally buying a GSX, I will NEVER go back.

 

[Nick2gGST]

what were your pro's and cons?

 

[srpjosh]

I have a heavy foot. I didn't like the feeling of wheel spin in the rain, and it didn't hook up very well from a dig, or from a slow speed roll. The FWD GST also spun the wheels at WOT in the first 3 gears. The stock ECU's on the GST's where limited to 137mph, GSX wasn't limited in speed. I like the AWD becuase it doesn't spin in the rain, hooks great at the track and slow speed launches on the highway. I live 30mins from the beach, and the AWD obviously works better driving on the sand. Overall, I feel safer in the AWD. Plain and simple.

 

[gorf]

what were your pro's and cons?

The thing I did not like about FWD was torque steer, jump on the gas and swing out to pass - you better be holding on tight!!!! You do not have that problem with AWD.

With AWD I spin all four in the rain by just getting on the gas too quick - I can't even imagine what my ole FWD would be like with this much HP.....

 

[Nick2gGST]

That could all be tire related issues.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

I don't know anyone around me who enjoys FF as much as me. But to deny reality is something I won't do. The power-loss from a AWD isn't that big. I was at the track last night for my first time with this setup and since '05, and I did a blistering 14.1 @ 102mph. Of course, on 93 and street tires. Falken Azenis to be exact. I'm getting into road-racing; just don't think I picked those tires to drag.

Anyway, my friend has almost the same setup as me, but AWD and he ran consistent 11.90s. Granted he was on 110, but 110 wouldn't have done anything for me. AWD ####ing owns at the track. It's amazing for launching. I take it, Nick2gGST, you haven't been to a track with some AWD DSMs. Making a street FF launch at the track without spinning too much, or wheel hoping or bogging is really tough. And don't tell me I can't drive. I've been driving this car for 7 years. I've been doing autocrossing lately, so I sort of gave up on drag. I'll admit I was out of sync with launching my car last night and I need more track-time.

If I was AWD, I would have hit 12's easy. My 12 second buddies are easy for me from a roll. But roll racing hold no merit with me.

 

[Nick2gGST]

Yeah awd's would be alot better I hate wheel hop, I had that issue on my old 03 tiburon gt. I bought my awd audi to have some fun in the snow, I was dying to do that before I moved to fl from nh. I don't know much about awd's persay I was just pissed because from a roll my audi lost to a base model slobalt with straight pipe . Maybe it's different with a dsm. Like I did say though, if I had the option to buy a gsx I would have for other reasons.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

GSX's do pretty good on the highway, too. They really don't loose much. All of my friends are high-power all-wheel cars, they have no problem running very fast up top, too. If you had an Audi A4, those are turds for speed unless modded a lot. Don't let that give you your opinion about AWD DSMs.

 

[Nick2gGST]

True, it sounded good I had the 2.8 v6 with the 30 valve upgrade with vvt and an intake and exhaust and some other stuff. It seemed decently fast for close to stock until I raced it a few times . I imagine its much heavier then a dsm though....I'd still buy an s4.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

They're heavy, for sure. Plus I don't their geared for anything aggressive. An S4 is a nice car.

 

[Nick2gGST]

I don't know why alot of people don't pay attention though . I said I would RATHER have a gsx, I kinda want one, more then a gst. I wasn't saying there's a huuuuge power loss, just trying to mention if your cars not pretty decently modified there is SOME power loss...even if its not noticeable.

 

[Thomas91169]

When will you ever hit top speed in 5th gear at a drag strip???? and I meant more stock as in not heavily modified, and mildly modified like something street legal. Power loss is a VERY huge thing. I had an awd audi that had about 230whp and it was a lot slower then my mostly stock eclipse is even from a roll.

power loss in the 1/4 will be negligible compared to the fact you will actually be able to put power down with AWD. Having more power to the wheels with FWD is laughable because it will just spin to 3rd gear.

The only time FWD is good for 1/4mi racing is if its a full blown FWD racecar. Otherwise youre better off getting AWD for 1/4mi.

the drivetrain loss between FWD and AWD is roughly 5%. That means you just have to make 5% more power to make up the difference. Not very hard to do.

 

[boostedgsx95]

So a BONE STOCK GS-T and GSX was racing from a dig, the GSX would obviously get out of the whole 1st but the GS-T would catch back up? and do you think runnng drag radials on the street will tear up the tires anymore than your average performance tire?

 

[99gst_racer]

If your drag racing you want the gst...awd is ok for the launch (something will break eventually) BUT main reason is because your sharing 210 with 4 wheels instead of just two. It's very controversial but It's true...some people don't realize the power loss over 4 wheels.

This is my personal experience with my car that has been both platforms. With a 500 BHP car running a true street tire, it's worth it to have a few % less power to the ground to have traction instead. A GST will rip the tires loose through third gear, while the GSX (putting slightly less power to the ground) will have traction is all gears. The added traction overcomes the drivetrain loss any day of the week.


Keep this thread clean and on topic, guys.

 

[Nick2gGST]

Thank you 99gst racer. I agree 100% with you statement, that's all I was trying to say pros and cons for both.

 

[SpawnedX]

A GST with the proper suspension and tires can launch just as well as the GSX, no matter what anyone here says. FWD Hondas can go down the track at 8 seconds, so can a GST.

GSX is how you get there with less effort and know-how.

 

[Nick2gGST]

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[SpawnedX]

YouTube - Laser 11.76@113

 

[SpawnedX]

Tell Joe Bucci FWD can't launch.

YouTube - Joe Bucci's Laser on a pass.

 

[99gst_racer]

A GST with the proper suspension and tires can launch just as well as the GSX, no matter what anyone here says. FWD Hondas can go down the track at 8 seconds, so can a GST.

GSX is how you get there with less effort and know-how.

Yes, any platform can be set-up to perform on a drag strip.

A high HP GST will suck on the street, and can be made to perform well on the strip.
A high HP GSX is a bit more dual purpose. It will be excellent on the street and still do well at the track without making major changes to the car.

Tell Joe Bucci FWD can't launch.

Yeah, but put a street tire on it and put it on a public road, and it'll just spin the tires.
Or put it on street tire and race against a similar powered and weighted AWD car on the strip and see what happens. FWD drag cars typically need compensations such as slicks, wheelie bars, etc... to hang with the AWD cars.

I'm not hating on FWD cars. Just pointing out the benefits and drawbacks of each. I love Bucci's and Kiggly's cars, BTW.

 

[Nick2gGST]

like I said no one is better then the next...it's a preference thing, can't anyone agree with me?

 

[SpawnedX]

FWD guys need to learn to invest in slicks. All these GSTs who complain about traction, you watch the videos and they are launching on street tires or drag radials.

As far as GSTs on the street, no need for more than 400 at most, if that. I have some traction issues on the street, but who cares? Street racing is horribly retarded. The power loss on a GSX is noticeable however. I have a friend with a similar build to mine with his GSX. I pull on him 100% of the time on the highway and he cannot handle the corners as well.

I wish this question would die and go away. If you don't know what you want in a car, how are we suppose to know.

 

[Nick2gGST]

The people want a Mercury Mistress.

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[lazyazzdaddy]

like I said no one is better then the next...it's a preference thing, can't anyone agree with me?

look i'm not trying to start problems here but no one is going to agree with you because yesterday you were stressing the fact that you were talking about mostly stock cars.. from a stock stand point your dead wrong! a gsx will kill a gst in the 1/4. it's just a fact.! i agree with others here that a gst can be used for drag but, it's going to take a lot more money and knowledge.

on my fwd talon i'm running Potenza RE-11"s which i consider a great street tire and first and second are still completely useless to me. but, if i were to go ahead and throw on some slicks i would then also have to change out my axles too. see the cost starting to go up? personally for me as i was not building a "track car" i desided it would be cheaper for me to keep street tires as a "buffer" i would rather spin my tires than bend/snap an axle.
i guess what im trying to say is from a financial stand point if you want a drag car awd is the way to go. maybe im wrong here but it seems the majority of people on this site are younger and don't have a lot of money. so cost is going to play a big factor in every thing they do. so a awd would be the cheapest way to go for a drag car.

 

[Dsmj89]

In other words summed up, and as stated millions of times before, both cars have their pros and cons.
It's all about what you want the car for mainly.
I myself am happy and suffice with my gst, i don't plan on making 400hp or more, and if i did it would be useless unless i invest big in axles and good tires.
As long as the dsm has a 4g63t under that hood, it's all good.