Dsmlink V3

[turbosax2]

Our focus is on getting this version done without any more delays. Once it's out, we can add more features and offer free upgrades because the user can reprogram the device themselves using the normal laptop application and cable. That's the way we're leaning right now. We would expect to list out a set of features that are in the release and then a list of features that will be made available free of charge later.

Nearly all the "as close to definite as you can get" features on that thread you linked to seem reasonable. Speed density is the one big ticket item that may not make it simply because it seems risky to rush that one. Oh, and I guess the full generic solenoid output control thing might be difficult too. But multiplexed inputs seems like a good candidate to move up out of the serious consideration list. It might not be in the very first release, but so much of that is already done, that it seems likely very shortly there after.

Thomas Dorris

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[viterbi]

Can I use V3 on both ISO and SAE vehicles?

 

[bling5tatus]

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[1992awdlaser]

Like I mentioned earlier they have features listed that will be included. I am not going to read the whole 14+ page thread to tell you what they are. The program when opened on your computer will look different also. They don't have tons of people to reply to emails and threads, they have two.

 

[Hal]

I'd rather deal with people like Tom & Dave than those that run around bashing other products/companies.

 

[viterbi]

Play nice guys...just be happy we have a manufacturer that caters to DSM. Sorry about the noob question on ISO/SAE (brain misfire).

 

[Boostjunki84]

This isn't Burger King, it's not your way right away.

Wow. If you don't like a product you don't have to buy it. I personally have had v2 for years with no problems and will definitly upgrade to v3 when it's available. Being a repeat customer I have no problem waiting for it to be ready; I would hate to have it screw up cause damage to my car.

Like Avionixx said, i'm just glad to be getting an update.

 

[EclipseSH21]

I am in NO WAY slamming the actual product, DSMLink is a great tool, all I'm saying is Tom and Dave are catering to an incredibly relaxed DSM market that is, in a nutshell, what Boostjunki just said- you're just glad to be getting an update. Demand drives innovation, essentially all i'm saying is that I feel the DSM community shouldn't be so complacent. I can understand if you think that I am wrong, I'm just voicing my opinion, you are are equally entitled to your own.

 

[Boostjunki84]

Demand drives innovation, essentially all i'm saying is that I feel the DSM community shouldn't be so complacent.

I agree. Just look at this thread. I don't think anyone (myself included) posted anything about a DSMLink update (in the first few pages at least).

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/ven...6-products-dsm-crowd-would-like-see-made.html

But, me being a DSMLink v2 user and the fact that people are now running 9's using v2, puts it down on my list as far parts/services that I need right now. And, like I said before, I want the program to work and I want it to work right, just like v2; I expect nothing less of v3, and for that I will wait.

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

It seems to me that the only ones that are mad about this wait time or not liking the software are those that have not even tried dsmlink on their own vehicles. After having dsmlink compared to s-afc/AEM EMS/GM MAFT setups, you quickly realize why its the preferred method for those daily driving/weekend warriors. Yes AEM has more, but it is a huge pain in the ass for daily driving/weekend warrior.

I have dsmlink and have had it for years, and I have to say....I am willing to wait for V3, yes I am impatient and wish it would come out, but seeing the quality in v2 and the support of Thomas Dorris and the rest of ECM tuning in their forums, I can wait... And you know what? Ill gladly pay the 150 bucks to upgrade if it is anything like v2 in terms of simplicity of tuning and multitude of features.

I dont think many people realize the website/forum they have there is insane. If im looking for something technical that has to do with engine tuning/building that is the first place I know I can look for information. Dsmtuners has a lot of good information, but it also has a lot of bullshit like in this thread that you have to sift through. Its MUCH better than most other forums though, I have to give insane props to luda for how good this forum is when it is a public forum, which is very difficult to moderate and keep with good information.


And hell, you all should be grateful that they ARE doing an update, many people find dsmlink the way it is as god's gift to tuning a daily driver and the simplicity of setting up. I personally was surprised they are doing all the things they are doing (youd have to check the dsmlink forums to know what they are doing). They could just continue to sell what they have now and make bank, and never lift a finger for updates. We are lucky they are trying to improve their own product, and still provide the best customer service i have seen in any product ive ever bought.

 

[slipstream808]

I have to agree that we should feel lucky there is an update coming. These cars are getting older and they could just as easily say screw it and leave us with nothing but V2. I'd be happy with just V2! They can take their time as long as they want. They at least still give technical support to V2. Lots of people get out of the car game unless they are a big company so I'm suprised they are still in it after all these years.

 

[Ludachris]

[flame suit on]

Personally, I think that taking this long for a software update is pretty much unacceptable. Granted, they are doing a ground up redesign, its all their own R&D, etc. etc., but still, to take this long is just mind-boggling. They never give a solid list of features as to what the new product will have, they keep pushing back dates, etc...I don't know, this whole 'tease' of DSMLink V3 seems awful unprofessional to me. I get the feeling that if another aftermarket company were making quality DSM-specific tuning/logging solutions, this process would have gone a lot quicker. Also, I think a 200$ upgrade fee is pretty steep, especially for someone who just chucked out 545 bucks. I could see if the price of DSMLink V2 declined over time, but they've never given a price drop...so DSMLink V3 is 745$? Or will it cost 545? If I were an existing customer, i'd be pissed, not happily bending over and opening my wallet...i dunno. Maybe it's just me.

That said, I have no doubt they will produce a quality product. They have second to none customer service, but with anything that takes this long, some gripes are to be expected. They've done some great things for the DSM tuning world, and their current product is fantastic. I just don't like the way they run their business.

Think of how many times video games like Gran Turismo have been pushed off by several months or even a year, and those are multi million dollar software companies. That's just how it goes. If DSMlink was developed by AEM or another large company this type of delay probably wouldn't happen, yet the price for the product would likely be almost double what it is now. Not that I don't understand the frustration. It does suck having to wait this long.

DSMers are extremely picky. They demand the world but only if they can pay with peanuts. People who are buying the product now should know that the new version is coming out soon and should be able to make an educated decision on the purchase. I'm hoping Thomas Dorris doesn't get tired of dealing with the DSM crowd like many other vendors (and magazines ). If he pulls out of the market we're all in trouble.

I really hope it will have speed density capabilities.

 

[black1996]

whens the release date?

 

[99gst_racer]

whens the release date?

There isn't one yet.

 

[kahl23]

You also said that they're waiting on a cable manufacturer to make the V3 release.... this has nothing to do with software development or the amount of time it takes to make the software. Customers emailing them also does not matter... there's plenty of businesses that develop their products and answer emails in a timely fashion.

This is just bad business practice.

This has been said multiple times on the Link forums, but DSMLink software is easily copied. There are numerous cases of people getting pirated DSMLinks and then trying to get a cable so that they can use it. The cable used for DSMLink is the key to ensuring that the guys at ECM Tuning don't get ripped off, it isn't an off the shelf piece. I don't see what's wrong with waiting a bit longer so that a company can enjoy the fruits of their labor.

 

[Ludachris]

Wow. If you don't like a product you don't have to buy it. I personally have had v2 for years with no problems and will definitly upgrade to v3 when it's available. Being a repeat customer I have no problem waiting for it to be ready; I would hate to have it screw up cause damage to my car.

Like Avionixx said, i'm just glad to be getting an update.

I didn't hear anyone say they didn't like the product.

 

[1992awdlaser]

whens the release date?

The release date is this year. They are not giving a specific date. All they are saying is it will be out this year.

 

[gsxtasy]

This has been said multiple times on the Link forums, but DSMLink software is easily copied.

It's freeware, anybody can go to the site and download it. Which makes it really easy to be copied.

 

[kahl23]

It's freeware, anybody can go to the site and download it. Which makes it really easy to be copied.

Haha, touche. Let me rephrase, it isn't hard to copy the software and burn your own DSMLink chip if you have a socketed ECU.

 

[gsxtasy]

Haha, touche. Let me rephrase, it isn't hard to copy the software and burn your own DSMLink chip if you have a socketed ECU.

I gotcha.

 

[roni-wan]

any update of the new features on dsmlink v3?

 

[RipperXX]

DSMers are extremely picky. They demand the world but only if they can pay with peanuts.

Soooo true, sadly.

I'm hoping Thomas Dorris doesn't get tired of dealing with the DSM crowd like many other vendors (and magazines ). If he pulls out of the market we're all in trouble.

I think we have been on the edge of being in trouble for a while now, I am always thinking about some of the parts I want and can't help but wonder if by the time I can afford them, if they will even still be sold. Scray idea but it could easily be a reality. The DSM world needs to start doing more to support it's self or were going to completely fade away.







BTW Thomas Dorris

 

[VTEC_THIS]

I love DSMLink, but if it's going to cost $200 to upgrade then I'll just stick with v2.

 

[slipstream808]

I for one will fork out $200 for the new program. Man I can't wait!

 

[99gst_racer]

$200????

Wasn't the V1-to-V2 upgrade only $50?