DKS Cams by FFWD

[indy95talontsi]

I am getting ready to upgrade my cams and looking at a HKS 272/272 combo to work with a new AMS GT35R set up. In doing research I just found the DKS cam announcement. Does anybody have any experience with these cams? Does there performance really replicate the HKS products? Any inputs on durability?

 

[dsm-onster]

I am getting ready to upgrade my cams and looking at a HKS 272/272 combo to work with a new AMS GT35R set up. In doing research I just found the DKS cam announcement. Does anybody have any experience with these cams? Does there performance really replicate the HKS products? Any inputs on durability?

You'll have to gunie(sp?) pig for the sake of your DSM bretherin . I am one of the first I know to get a set of FP2x cams and I don't mind the suspense . If you want cheaper than HKS 272s then this recent thread will be of help to you. FP has a great reputation and they go through intense research before they drop a product out on the market. I don't know how DKS does business... But, I am not stearing you from trying a new source for cams. Ultimately, guys like us drive the prices down and keep the competing companies working for us.

 

[indy95talontsi]

Thanks for the input and encouragement. Going to do some more research and will report here what I can find out. Need to make up my mind over the holidays so if anyone can add anything further it will be greatly appreciated.

indy95talontsi

 

[wrx2dsm]

Hello. FFWD has a good reputation. If I was looking for cams, I would also check out the FP cams. The FP2's compare favorable to the 272's. Just some more food for thought.

 

[i'm boosted]

I was one of the first to try out their L2 cams. The work very well, but the car idles like a V8 with cams. The DKS since it's similar to the HK$ should give you the best of both worlds, performance and idle.

-Brian

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Hello. FFWD has a good reputation. If I was looking for cams, I would also check out the FP cams. The FP2's compare favorable to the 272's. Just some more food for thought.

definitely give the fp2 more thought.. after all of the research I've done.. those will be my next mod

 

[1FastFWD]

hell....for $350 im gonna buy the DKS2's and see how they perform....the only bad this is my car wont be done till spring rolls around. The reason i am going to buy them is FFWDconnection has been in the DSM community for along time and the price is VERY reasonable.

 

[andymoraitis]

The one concern I have with these cams is whether they need to be degreed or if they can be installed straight up like the HKS and FP varieties. While I understand that degreeing will always help, if this is a must then I won't bother since the extra cost of cam gears and dyno time will exceed what I would have spend with either of the other manufacturers. I've e-mailed Darren from FFWD and will post his reply when he gets back in touch.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[indy95talontsi]

Thanks for the great info so far. I think I am leaning towards tried and true HKS cams since I just don't want to have to go back into the motor after the season starts.

Spending top dollar for the AMS GT35R and FMIC wtih AEM EMS so just does not make since to "skimp" on the cams.

Indy95talontsi

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Thanks for the great info so far. I think I am leaning towards tried and true HKS cams since I just don't want to have to go back into the motor after the season starts.

Spending top dollar for the AMS GT35R and FMIC wtih AEM EMS so just does not make since to "skimp" on the cams.

Indy95talontsi

God bless you for thinking that way

 

[Jon Lane]

God bless you for thinking that way

This reminds me of the great Evo GT "Chinese" turbo blow up. All it took was one guy making assumptions that offshore snails were automatically bad, and the entire thread was corrupted.

How about somebody prove the FFWD cams are a skimp -- based on what? Price? The fact they're regrinds? The one year warranty? FFWD's reputation? -- before assuming they are and ruining what may be a fine value. I tend to doubt that company would make such an investment without fully vetting the product.

Meanwhile the brand name 4G63 cams cost twice what the V8 guys pay. Same basic piece of cast iron; half the bumps.

I mean, come on. Where's the justification for that?

God bless you for having an open mind before the fact...

 

[blcknspo0ln]

This reminds me of the great Evo GT "Chinese" turbo blow up. All it took was one guy making assumptions that offshore snails were automatically bad, and the entire thread was corrupted.

How about somebody prove the FFWD cams are a skimp -- based on what? Price? The fact they're regrinds? The one year warranty? FFWD's reputation? -- before assuming they are and ruining what may be a fine value. I tend to doubt that company would make such an investment without fully vetting the product.

Meanwhile the brand name 4G63 cams cost twice what the V8 guys pay. Same basic piece of cast iron; half the bumps.

I mean, come on. Where's the justification for that?

God bless you for having an open mind before the fact...

are you really going to open that can of worms with me ? first of all.. who ASSUMED that they were not good quality? who assumed that they were cheap because they were regrinds? I never once even said that these were good nor bad. I think that the ASSuming party here would be you, by trying to pick a fight over NOTHING. Second of all, I was just happy to know that he was in the mindset of NOT ruining his setup by skimping on any part, nevermind the cams. I hate internet bicker so I'm not going to go any further with this rediculous post, but keep in mind that you have no idea who I am and if I have an open mind about things. hell, I even tried the SBR G50 turbo knowing that I had funds to get an FPGREEN. so don't try to bite my head off when you know nothing of the situation, nor of my intentions of the above post.

jebus.

 

[dsm-onster]

Hey, well. I think I was the first to hint that they were not proven cams by mentioning being a guinie(sp?) pig.

There would be no 50 trims or FPGreens or better putting down serious numbers if someone didn't think, "Hey lets think out of the box a little and go Garrett."

A side note. Did I skimp by getting FP2s? Not to pick a fight, but HKS is needlessly expensive. FP cams are proven to put down more power and not break. This is just my opinion based on my research and my experience with these cams so far. In fact, I think HKS will come down in price now that COMP and FP have stepped up to the plate. Not that HKS will cheapen up in production, but us consumers are just reaping the benefits of fluid capital market . But, we're all running the risk by getting a less expensive product. We have to guess on whether or not it is more affordable because of branding or because of quality.

 

[Jon Lane]

Hey, sorry you're so thin-skinned, blcknspo0ln. It's just that you keep contradicting yourself:

"Who ASSUMED that they were not good quality? ... I was just happy to know that he was in the mindset of NOT ruining his setup by skimping on any part."​

Maybe you should just clarify your intent some more...

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Hey, sorry you're so thin-skinned, blcknspo0ln. It's just that you keep contradicting yourself:

"Who ASSUMED that they were not good quality? ... I was just happy to know that he was in the mindset of NOT ruining his setup by skimping on any part."​

Maybe you should just clarify your intent some more...

thinskinned?? pfft.. i've endured more insulting remarks than that.

now, let me explain myself.. since you're so adamant about caring for my original intentions. Ask yourself this, if you spent thousands of dollars on your engine setup, would you buy k-mart rod bearings? would you run JIC ALT-2's and roadrace with balding no-name tires? This is the same concept. I would not spend the money and time investing in a setup just to have it ruined by a set of "potentially disasterous" cams. If I were to guinea pig any sort of cam set, it would be on a bone stock 7bolt. Keep in mind that I am in no way inferring that these cams are shit, I'm just looking at the entire scheme of things and the WHAT-IF's.

next time you feel the need to "call me out", just PM me.

and to the original poster, sorry for having your thread hi-jacked, I didn't realize being happy for you would lead to this..

 

[EvolvingGST]

I will be the first to say that THEY ARE NOT PROVEN CAMS.. And if you disagree prove to me that they are proven... Are they bad cams? who knows only time will tell... So yes we are being gineau pigs by trying it.. That would be an accurate statement..

That is an objective statement.. So before you start a fight please know what grounds you are fighting upon.

Will they be proven? Hopefully I would like to buy some if they are that cheap. But will I buy them now? Probably not... because they are not proven... But I would like to see someone who has tried them and proven they work to say so... That is the point of the thread.

I am in the middle of rebuilding an engine so its them or the FPs but FPs are winning the race since the DKS ones aren't proven. If tomorrow five people say man they are great I might buy them... Most people like the FP ones more then they like the HKS ones but $100 is $100.

And I for one am not gonna try cams on a $3000.00+ engine... I am sorry..

 

[Jon Lane]

... now, let me explain myself... would you buy k-mart rod bearings? ... roadrace with balding no-name tires? This is the same concept. I would not spend the money and time investing in a setup just to have it ruined by a set of "potentially disasterous" cams

... I am in no way inferring that these cams are shit ...

No, unless you're willfully being obtuse, you're just sounding for all the world that you're implying they're shit. And this vague comparison is obviously not even remotely the same concept, unless, of course, you really are equivocating bald tires, KMart, and FFWD's products.

Are you? I admit I'm confused.

Again, while I don't really have a dog in this race -- except for likely taking FFWD's reputation and their year warranty as enough juice for my next rebuild -- I'd just like to see us avoid the EVO GT prove-a-negative Chinese turbo nonsense that's come to roost in DSM circles. Funny, how what won't pass the bullshit test in any kind of logical reasoning passes the test in DSM builds.

next time you feel the need to "call me out", just PM me.

Heh. Like out in the street? And you say you're not thinskinned...



PS: What's proving a negative? Here you go:

And if you disagree prove to me that they are proven.

In other words, prove that my assumption isn't reality. Prove a non-entity. Prove a negative. Interesting.

An example: Taking an all-new, experimental drug is called a clinical trial and its purpose is to prove the thing works. But assuming the drug is a failure because it's yet to be proved is unreasonable. And that example is a far cry more tenuous a logical structure than whether ancient technology like camshafts with known properties work for the advertised purpose, for crying out loud.

In other words, stick a pair of these cams in your car and see if what's good enough to warrant a year guarantee from a company who's putting their name on the line is good enough for your lofty standards. Then, and only then can you imply bald tires and Kmart are valid comparisons. I think we all know where you're going with those examples...

But until you do that, while you may not yet have a proven product, at least you have no cause to imply foolish comparisons without any basis in fact whatsoever.

 

[indy95talontsi]

Wow!

Has this thread ever done to pot?

I was simply looking for someone (preferably more than one) who had tried the DKS cams. FFWD's reputation seems pretty good and I thought for sure someone would have tried them by now. However, from the posts so far nobody has used them and everyone is just speculating based on reputation.

I simple don't have the time or money to go into the motor multiple times to find out if they work or not and my time is worth the price difference alone.

Thanks for the posts and trying to help out in some way. If anybody has actually tried them and can give me some direct feedback I still have a week or so before I order.


Thanks,

indy95talontsi

 

[EvolvingGST]

No, unless you're willfully being obtuse, you're just sounding for all the world that you're implying they're shit. And this vague comparison is obviously not even remotely the same concept, unless, of course, you really are equivocating bald tires, KMart, and FFWD's products.

Are you? I admit I'm confused.

Again, while I don't really have a dog in this race -- except for likely taking FFWD's reputation and their year warranty as enough juice for my next rebuild -- I'd just like to see us avoid the EVO GT prove-a-negative Chinese turbo nonsense that's come to roost in DSM circles. Funny, how what won't pass the bullshit test in any kind of logical reasoning passes the test in DSM builds.


Heh. Like out in the street? And you say you're not thinskinned...



PS: What's proving a negative? Here you go:


In other words, prove that my assumption isn't reality. Prove a non-entity. Prove a negative. Interesting.

An example: Taking an all-new, experimental drug is called a clinical trial and its purpose is to prove the thing works. But assuming the drug is a failure because it's yet to be proved is unreasonable. And that example is a far cry more tenuous a logical structure than whether ancient technology like camshafts with known properties work for the advertised purpose, for crying out loud.

In other words, stick a pair of these cams in your car and see if what's good enough to warrant a year guarantee from a company who's putting their name on the line is good enough for your lofty standards. Then, and only then can you imply bald tires and Kmart are valid comparisons. I think we all know where you're going with those examples...

But until you do that, while you may not yet have a proven product, at least you have no cause to imply foolish comparisons without any basis in fact whatsoever.

indy95talonts

Has just stated what I have just said. Only an idiot will put in cams unproven in all standards in their $3000.00+ engine. They warrantee the cams... Alot that will do me when it bends valves and hit the pistons and cause scarring. Maybe you don't see how that is relevant that makes you an idiot. Unless they want to build my engine again then I will buy them and be their little trial subject.

And the point still is they aren't proven... If you want to defend them so badly go buy a set and dyno your car and prove to us they are good. I mean thats how FP did it. Everyone was skeptical of comp and FP cams... They proved to us they were worth it and then people proved it after them... That is why its called being proven. I have yet to see any dyno carts on the DKS cams or anyone use them.

Did I ever make a foolish comparison? how so? I said I would like to buy them but they have yet to be proven? Are you a ####en idiot? Would you buy something that is vital for your car without having anyone prove them for you? I wouldn't and niether will most people here (i.e. indy95talonts). So before you open your trap don't mock us unless you are gonna do something about it, its like the pot calling the kettle black.

Now you just told us to be a gineau pig but you have yet you sugar coat words by calling it a clinical trial. Its the same crap so don't speak cuz you have contradicted yourself and you are a fool.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I suppose evolvingGST has already written what was on my mind and oh yea, our friend Jon Lane was talking about me and my silly comparisons, if you can call it that.

I guess i'll just add icing on the cake to the fact that I am NOT familiar with FFWD and have no idea about their reputation. So that legitimizes my claim (and opinion) that they are considered a kmart brand. This until (like every other reputable shop) they prove themselves with dyno or track times on the parts they produce. I for one would not chance a fully built race motor to be subject to "test cams" if the said company was not prepared to rebuild my motor if the cams should fail. Hence agreeing with what evolvingGST stated above.

another interesting thing I just thought of. take turbonetics for example, they have been a staple of turbocharging since the get-go and their hybrid t3/t4's also carry a warranty. Does this mean they are "putting their name on the line" if something should happen? If a persons motor should fail because of these turbochargers, do you think that a company like that would rebuild a motor just to appease a handful of DSMers? I think not. To them, we're just that stepping stone of saying "okay, prototype X didn't work.. let's try to improve it".. and that's it. no more, no less. would their reputation go down the drain? nope.

same thing with bullseye power. They released their to4b v-trims with no previous R&D and look how long it took for them to gain ANY sort of foothold. and even now, with only a couple guys making good power, this turbocharger along with holsets are still an innovating thing still in the process.

I could go on for days, but my point is these guys haven't shed any factual information about these cams, and until they do, they will be on the backburner of many DSMers minds. IF they decide to step up and offer us dyno graphs, track slips, etc.. then maybe then will I consider these cams. I guess, even after all of this shit talk, the question still remains the same.. are these proven?

and still, the answer is no.

*I've had enough, I'm going to submit this thread to be closed. and yea, I requested you take this to a PM because it doesn't fill threads with pointless bitching, but apparently you can't grasp that concept yet. It did not imply that it should be taken to the street, noob.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I guess i'll just add icing on the cake to the fact that I am NOT familiar with FFWD and have no idea about their reputation. So that legitimizes my claim (and opinion) that they are considered a kmart brand. This until (like every other reputable shop) they prove themselves with dyno or track times on the parts they produce..

So because you don't know them means they are automatically bad. Just because you haven't done any research on their products means there bad. Take the blinders off. I will close this thread because you have absolutley no clue what you are talking about.

As John said, this is typical DSM closemindedness. The next person that says proven is going to make me vomit.

 

[98TsiAWD]

I am going to agree, just because 293298x DSMers arent running them and they arent "proven" doesnt mean they are the cams you buy to "skimp out"
FFWD connection knows what they are doing, If I didnt already have HKS 272's, you can bet your ass I would buy his "skimpy" cams.