can't find any info (HX35+4G63)

[cory51191]

i can't find any info on what i'm going to need to change or do to throw a HX35 into a 4G63 (after stage 1 mods are complete and + DSMlink)..

what needs to be changed or done to do this? the only thing i can find is sloppy pictured and people talking about denting cooling piping? someone else said that you don't need that piping. whats the best options to go with for a HX35 for performance but also fitment issues, and what else needs to be changed

 

[DSM nOOb]

Ok I'm sorry I know this isn't supposed to be said but there is no way you searched. There are 7 or 8 holset threads with hundreds of posts with extremely detailed info.

Here you go

 

[JusMX141]

I hope this thread is a ###in joke

I agree. We have Euro and Nissan guys flocking to our site to participate in our ongoing Holset discussions, and this guy hasn't even found the search button yet.

Get readin', son. You have a lot of catching up to do.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/145691-holset-turbos.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/192083-holset-turbos-part-2-a.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/274459-holset-turbos-part-3-a.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/303969-holset-turbos-part-4-a.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/314629-holset-turbos-part-5-a.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/327647-holset-turbos-part-6-a.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/353498-holset-turbos-part-7-a.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...-results-only-complete-installed-systems.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...turbo-users-your-oil-drain-may-too-small.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/347049-those-you-afraid-use-holset.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/361273-holset-turbo.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/244467-holset-hx-35-oiling.html

 

[dsm-onster]

i can't find any info on what i'm going to need to change or do to throw a HX35 into a 4G63 (after stage 1 mods are complete and + DSMlink)..

what needs to be changed or done to do this? the only thing i can find is sloppy pictured and people talking about denting cooling piping? someone else said that you don't need that piping. whats the best options to go with for a HX35 for performance but also fitment issues, and what else needs to be changed

No. . . you're not really reading what you're seeing. No one has said that you don't need the water piping And in every thread you read you hear about needing a housing and many now even refer to proper oiling. Every large thread has all the info in the very beginning to get you started. After than you need to make your own decisions about feed and drain lines since there's several routes to take and pictured.

 

[cory51191]

Ok I'm sorry I know this isn't supposed to be said but there is no way you searched. There are 7 or 8 holset threads with hundreds of posts with extremely detailed info.

Here you go

if its not supposed to be said then don't say it. i try not to search on these forums because i'll read some info and bring it up in a different thread and be accused of being wrong. this website has a lot of inaccurate info. more than it does accurate info. i search Google... go search google and tell me if u still think "i didn't search"

I hope this thread is a ###in joke,
There is a shit-ton of holset info on this site. More than any other site on the web.
There are 7 long threads with info, a part#s thread, a results only thread, wtf

i'm glad u made an effort to add some input but THATS NOT WHAT I ASKED

Open your mouth Cory, chew you're food all the way and brush your teeth when you're done
At least you took the time to spoonfeed him, . You're a good man

wondering why your not a wiseman with those 2,200+ posts? there is 2 spam posts alone on this new thread. i wonder how many posts didn't help people.

i'm glad u guys are trying to help (at least most of u).

its not that i DON'T use the search button. its that i suck with it. i guess i just try to be too specific with it and get bad results



EDIT: f*ck this bullsh*t. its so frustrating, i can't read a GD sentance without getting distracted or not understanding exactly what it said with all this CPR (i try to look some of this stuff up, such as CPR and i get a different meaning for it, and yes i know what CPR is, just not in a car) and MAF and VRENV and cenwcCVWERv and rewunvre i can't understand this bullshit i'm just gonna have to say f*ck it, i'll wait til i'm in a high performance engine school to learn all this. i guess i'm just a "hands-on" guy

 

[JusMX141]

wondering why your not a wiseman with those 2,200+ posts? i wonder how many posts didn't help people

Post count doesn't equal automatic reputation advancement. I've found Toofast to be a very helpful member in the time he's been here.

[/ this thread]

 

[toofast82]

Post count doesn't equal automatic reputation advancement. I've found Toofast to be a very helpful member in the time he's been here.

[/ this thread]

Thanks Justin, I appreciate it
I actually used this site solely for SEARCHING for about two years before ever posting. Fortunately through time I've gained a little bit of knowledge and how-tos.

 

[eltoshan]

if its not supposed to be said then don't say it. i try not to search on these forums because i'll read some info and bring it up in a different thread and be accused of being wrong. this website has a lot of inaccurate info. more than it does accurate info. i search Google... go search google and tell me if u still think "i didn't search"

Learn to search. Learn to use [site:dsmtuners.com "search terms"] on google. But no one can help you with reading comprehension if you are too lazy to look up what a MAP is.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Funny, someone sent me a message yesterday thanking me for helping him with his problem. I have no problem posting informative things if its not something that has been covered 10million times and is a legitimate question.

If you are that bad at searching, I bet you pay good "attention to detail" on your car and maintenance. Best of luck on your project, Cory

Just admit, you're too ###in lazy to read through all that info and search properly. So expect the bad responses.

I too agree. You say that you want to make 400-500 awhp on a stock block but you clearly have not done the research. There are thousands upon thousands of posts on Holset turbos and other upgrades that needs to be done if you're looking for that much power.

The simple matter of the fact it that DSM can be ridiculously powerful cars, but it isn't what you're thinking of. It takes a lot of knowledge in making this little 4 banger engine powerful and it WILL end up costing you more money than you have ever conceived of making a 400-500 awhp DD on a stock block. It's no hand me down car that can make what you're looking for.

 

[viperlp01]

I made a little tech article that I have been to lazy to finish.. Its in the tech--turbo--wh1c install.. Pretty much all the things i used.. It sometimes is hard to search and find the things you want. Sometimes if you go out and pm someone with the set up you wanna run they are more than helpful.. I have had quite a few people ask me for something and I have helped them as much as i can and have become pretty good E-buddies ..

 

[cory51191]

WTF is stage 1?

Are you another F&F fan, that thinks cars a cool now because of a movie?

no, dumb a$$.. Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[Calan]

Same issue as the other thread; just a different topic.

Cory... just calm down and do nothing but read for a few days. The fog will eventually clear; I promise. And you'll find the majority of us are more than willing to help with your questions...but you have to at least know why you're asking those questions in the first place.

 

[cory51191]

Listen the attitude will get you no where, you asked a question on which there is more info HERE than anywhere else in the entire interwebs. When you look at the the links jusmx141 posted for you, hopefully you will realize the sheer amount of info there is on this subject. Thats why you got the responses you did.

no bro its not like that, i completely understand. i'm just terrible at this whole search thing and it gets frustrating for me. and when i do find some useful information its hard for me to understand with all the car lingo. and whats even more frustrating is i'm new to this and when i ask a question, half the answers i get is from some cocky ass kid with 200 posts that thinks they are a street racer.

 

[dsm-onster]

Please point out the threads with misinformation. They need to be corrected. If there's alot, then it will be easy just to throw out a few to give me an idea. I'll try to go in there and talk it out so that things are clarified.


. . . But really, I'm still trying to find out how you know the information is incorrect since you don't have a dsm yet.

Just read. and read and read and read. . . . and read. . . . . . . . . . . . and read and read and read and read and read. ALL the information is there. I ONLY used this site to get the information I needed to install my holset. . . Its all there.

I don't understand how the search function is giving you problems. Type in holset install and you get what you need. In the 1st page you get 4 of the most important threaqds you need to get a holset on your dsm.

 

[cory51191]

Same issue as the other thread; just a different topic.

Cory... just calm down and do nothing but read for a few days. The fog will eventually clear. I promise.

my problem is: i read, then i forget. guess i just have some read bad A.D.D. and its not helping by trying to read. i learn fast by actually working on stuff. maybe it has something to do with my 3 hours of sleep per night. i've been really off with sleep and thinking in the past month

Really?? this website has all the information you will need. You have to search for it though and is why people are telling you to, at least you have been given all the main posts about Holsets. If you dont think tuners has good info then go somewhere else. Type in Holset in Google and it will bring you right back here

its not that it doesn't have good info, because it does. but it does have a lot of inaccurate info from people with around the same knowledge as me, but they try to pull answers out of their a$$es and guess at stuff to "help" people.. and u see a lot of that info on a lottt of threads

 

[dsm-onster]

Well first relax. And get the car. Chill out with researching and get away from the car mods. You have alot in your brain becasue you're researching how tou build a 500whp street machine. It takes a long time to get to that point. Information that is now second nature to some of us. Justr step away and drive your car when you get it. That will stop the information overload. Get a good logger and get familiar with what you have. Get a boost gauge annd MBC and play a little to find out what fuel cut is. Get exhaust and an FMIC and learn about maf overrun. Solve the basic issues with pushing a mostly stock platform then ask your self what you want.

Get back on here after that and read the threads provided already. Everything you need is in there. So that you can decide which path you want to take to install one of these turbos. And alot of other good information about turbo selection for your goal in general.

 

[toofast82]

your a real wise a$$. i'm not too f*ckin lazy, your just ignorant.

Ignorant: "lacking knowledge of the thing specified"
Sorry bro, this describes you pretty thoroughly, given my impressions from this thread
Ignorant - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I know how to put a Holset on my car, I had one on there about 4 years ago, before this wealth of info was around


Instead of wasting your breath responding to me, you should be SEARCHING and comprehending what you read, so next time you post a thread, you won't be asking something that's been covered a bunch of times.


Take Calan's advice. Take your time, don't jump into things, do your research.
Set up goals for your car and intended use, whether its track, street or both. Then take your time to decide which parts will fit the best with your given goals and setup.
Be an educated and informed person before you buy your parts.

 

[Calan]

I'll be the first to admit that there is some misinformation scattered around the site. That is just the nature of forums like this in general. But there is a VAST amount of reliable information that greatly outweighs the inaccurate stuff.

EDIT: And I should add that the mods and wisemen on this site are usually very good about cleaning it up if it is reported or they stumble across it. Much more so than with other sites.

The more you read, the more you'll be able to quickly skip right over the occasional post that is obviously out in left field. And you'll learn to pay attention to information when it comes from certain people. Matt and Justin (dsm-onster and jusmx141) have probably forgotten more about turbos than most of us will ever learn. . Toofast and many others that have posted in your threads are also reliable sources of good information on various topics.

Just slow down and read more on the basics. Get away from tuners for a while and search the internet for info on how fuel-injected systems work; they are basically all the same fundamentally (air flow sensors, injectors, ECU's, etc).

Last but not least, don't take the short answers and smarta$$ comments (mine included) too seriously. Sometimes we are smiling when we type them, and sometimes it's just frustrating when it appears someone is just being lazy, even if that's not really the case.

And get some sleep!

 

[dsm-onster]

Thanx Calan. MANY posters here contribute quality information, including you. This site is one of the very very few that have managed to develop a highly respectable culture promoting correct knowledge and practical field experience and experimentation. Great discussions and debates insue. All the credit goes to the site founder and all his quality moderators who still seem to feel this thread should stay open. . . to cory's great benefit.

Personally, I don't think any kid under 21 should have a 500whp 4g63 anyhow. . . Really. It's far to dangerous and without knowing what you're doing quite unreliable. Don't like to hear about young people stranded on the highway or possibly getting into an accident. . .

With that said. I had VERY much fun with my first turbo car with just an MBC and good exhaust. It was respectable. And CHEAP while remaining reliable. Part of the fun of it all was the newness and the fact that I could just jump in it any time I wanted and enjoy the rid. At 500whp or even 375whp crap always get in the way of just enjoying the ride. . .

Look I'll get you started: logger, boost gauge, MBC, be sure you buy a 5speed 1g for the most affordable fun. Nothing against 2gs but 2g's have smaller turbos from the factory and cost more also 1g is easy to tune since you get a knock sum with all the loggers out there. And nothing against autos 1g cars but they also have a smaller turbo. Slowly up the boost and stop when you see knock. Report back here with your logged data and ask where to go from there.

In the mean time, you will need a turbine housing, or a manifold and custom o2 housing, to run an hx35 turbo. All non mhi turbos need oil feed lines and drain lines for 1g cars. . . WOW we really don't even know where to start to help you because we don't know what dsm you may buy when you do get one.

 

[cory51191]

Ignorant: "lacking knowledge of the thing specified"
Sorry bro, this describes you pretty thoroughly, given my impressions from this thread
Ignorant - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


Instead of wasting your breath responding to me, you should be SEARCHING and comprehending what you read, so next time you post a thread, you won't be asking something that's been covered a bunch of times.


Take Calan's advice. Take your time, don't jump into things, do your research.
Set up goals for your car and intended use, whether its track, street or both. Then take your time to decide which parts will fit the best with your given goals and setup.
Be an educated and informed person before you buy your parts.

i didn't say ignorant to DSMs.. just ignorant in general because u are pretty much trying to say i'm an idiot. just because i don't know a lot about DSMs it doesn't give u the right to act like i'm the only person in the world thats trying to learn about DSMs. i'm NEW to it.... NEWWWWWWW. that means i am going to ask dumb questions and try to figure out answers. look at the wrong stuff. start in the wrong place. you act like you were born with DSM knowledge. well u werent. and your no DSM god.

i'm sure there is plenty of things that i have better knowledge than u at. and if someone happened to ask me a question about working out or something, i wouldn't sit there and laugh and talk shit because they don't know what they are talking about




and i'm not wasting my breath by typing.

 

[my4ATEurV8]

not trying to be a dick but, if money isnt a problem and you dont find searching out info to be your friend. then i would suggest to you calling up slowboyracing, ask for marti, tell him what you want to do. what parts you want. and he will help/guied you through it, even put together a competative quote and build it for you. they will get whatever part you want!
but if your set on doing this your self, learn to search a little more. im doing the 2.4 magnus with a holset as well. so shoot me some pm's and i will try to point you in the right direction.

 

[cory51191]

Personally, I don't think any kid under 21 should have a 500whp 4g63 anyhow. . . Really. It's far to dangerous and without knowing what you're doing quite unreliable. Don't like to hear about young people stranded on the highway or possibly getting into an accident. . .

With that said. I had VERY much fun with my first turbo car with just an MBC and good exhaust. It was respectable. And CHEAP while remaining reliable. Part of the fun of it all was the newness and the fact that I could just jump in it any time I wanted and enjoy the rid. At 500whp or even 375whp crap always get in the way of just enjoying the ride. . .

maybe your right, or maybe i'm not the typical 18 year old that your referring to but i think i'd be able to handle a 500whp vehicle. i've always been fascinated with turbocharged cars. i've always loved them, and gotten the chills when i see them and hear them spooling up. i just have 0 experience with them .


aside from when my brother has one. we'd only do small stuff to it like change the break lines and work on the exhaust. but thats not even a baby step.




soon i'll be drowning rolling in experience though. maybe i should just stay away from trying to learn any of this and just go straight to the HPE-school when i come back from MOS training

 

[Calan]

Personally, I don't think any kid under 21 should have a 500whp 4g63 anyhow. . . Really. It's far to dangerous and without knowing what you're doing quite unreliable. Don't like to hear about young people stranded on the highway or possibly getting into an accident.

Very true. I'm 44 and have been hot rodding/racing/driving for 30ish years, and my new AWD stroker even scared me for a moment when I first romped it at somewhere around 375-400hp from a roll in 2nd. But just for a moment.

not trying to be a dick but, if money isnt a problem and you dont find searching out info to be your friend. then i would suggest to you calling up slowboyracing, ask for marti, tell him what you want to do. what parts you want. and he will help/guied you through it, even put together a competative quote and build it for you. they will get whatever part you want!

See..there is some of that bad advice I was talking about. (no offense)

They will sell 1000hp to anyone with a checkbook; that is their purpose and what they do (That goes for all performance shops). And the uneducated customer will go blow it up and spend another $5000 fixing it or just end up parting out the car.

You need at least basic knowledge, even if you pay someone else to do it for you. It just takes time.

maybe your right, or maybe i'm not the typical 18 year old that your referring to but i think i'd be able to handle a 500whp vehicle.

Have you ever driven a true 500awhp car, or gone 10's in the 1/4? It is scary fast, and not something to be taken lightly. At that power and speed, driver skill and experience are much more critical than the mechanicals. And just because the car is capable of a 10 second pass, doesn't mean the average driver has much chance of putting it there.

 

[toofast82]

i didn't say ignorant to DSMs.. just ignorant in general because u are pretty much trying to say i'm an idiot. just because i don't know a lot about DSMs it doesn't give u the right to act like i'm the only person in the world thats trying to learn about DSMs. i'm NEW to it.... NEWWWWWWW. that means i am going to ask dumb questions and try to figure out answers. look at the wrong stuff. start in the wrong place. you act like you were born with DSM knowledge. well u werent. and your no DSM god. .

I wasn't born with any knowledge of anything. It's all been learned and taught
When I first started with dsms 7years ago, I didn't know anything about turbos and was lucky to not blow my engine a million times. Actually more or less thanks to the 4g63 being so forgivable

But like i said, i never posted a thread in here for 2years. I just searched if i had a problem and how to fix it. When it came time for a bigger turbo or something,I searched my ass off to come up with the most info i can and make what i feel is a good decision

I never said you're an idiot or I'm in any way shape or form any type of dsm god, . Where did you come up with the last one, jeez?

When you post a new thread, it asks you to search before posting.
It also says this in the membership agreements.

i'm sure there is plenty of things that i have better knowledge than u at. and if someone happened to ask me a question about working out or something, i wouldn't sit there and laugh and talk shit because they don't know what they are talking about.

Its not about that. No one is saying they are better than you. They are simply asking/telling you to follow the forum rules by searching and not posting a new thread where the info has clearly been covered numerous times.

 

[cory51191]

not trying to be a dick but, if money isnt a problem and you dont find searching out info to be your friend. then i would suggest to you calling up slowboyracing, ask for marti, tell him what you want to do. what parts you want. and he will help/guied you through it, even put together a competative quote and build it for you. they will get whatever part you want!
but if your set on doing this your self, learn to search a little more. im doing the 2.4 magnus with a holset as well. so shoot me some pm's and i will try to point you in the right direction.

i'm planning on doing it myself. i have no knowledge of a engine yet besides pretty much how it works. but i'm going to be a mechanic and i was hoping i could get some info off here so it would all tie together when i'm in training. but i'm getting no where.