Broke A Piston Wrist Pin.

[keltalon]

Notice that I didn't say you couldn't make power with it, it will just be much harder. On my setup I bet I could make an easy 750 with the comp.

The 6266 is a much smaller turbo, so it's going to come on harder.

The comp is for sale for low low aluminum chra need some material added so it can hold in the housing other than that it's in great shape.

 

[spoolin ddub]

Notice that I didn't say you couldn't make power with it, it will just be much harder. On my setup I bet I could make an easy 750 with the comp.

The 6266 is a much smaller turbo, so it's going to come on harder.

yeah he could have easily made the 650ish with the 6765. But the way his car is setup with BC 272 and the stock intake manifold it just isn't a good match for the upper rpms. Its setup for where he wants it in the midrange. That turbo isn't for type of setup. But it will make the power. With that being said there is no such thing as a turbo brand not working on a particular application. One just has to match the correct housings and wheel sizes to ones need. Its all about setup.

 

[keltalon]

I spoke with justin comp turbo and they will replace the bearing housing the aluminum bearing housing with a cast iron bearing housing brand new for 325.00 I am selling the turbo for 400.0 total 725.00 for a 1500.00 turbo. He misunderstood me the other day he thought I wanted a whole new center section so he quoted me 1000.00.

 

[keltalon]

With that being said there is no such thing as a turbo brand not working on a particular application. .

based on my personal experience with different brands of turbos I have to disagree

 

[ceedawg]

I would think Ke'ls means its more the wheel combo setup of this particular turbo with the 2.0L motor thats a problem but Kels do correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that when the dyno is posted alot of questions will be answered. Why would anyone doubt why Kels describes his car as running night and day if all he made was a turbo swap? I feel he should know his car after all he built it studied his combo and now its running very well.
Lets just wait for the dyno and also look at the power curve.

It's not the turbo, it's the cyclone intake. A 64mm turbo is something you need to rev 10k to make power. A cyclone is all done by 6k. Not saying it can't be done, but it's a big missmatch, and you are forcing it to work instead of letting it work.

I also dont think that the mani is an issue as we have seen Ostarmotorsports car with the stock 1g intake make over 600whp?

Kels cyclone mani is also ported and polished.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyn...tq-stock-1g-6-bolt-motor-6.html#post152577618

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyn...-block-ostar-motorsports-5.html#post152423651

 

[keltalon]

I would think Ke'ls means its more the wheel combo setup of this particular turbo with the 2.0L motor thats a problem but Kels do correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that when the dyno is posted alot of questions will be answered. Why would anyone doubt the why Kels describes his car as running night and day if all he made was a turbo swap? I feel he should know his car after all he built it studied his combo and now its running very well.
Lets just wait for the dyno and also look at the power curve.

I also dont think that the mani is an issue as we have seen Ostarmotorsports car with the stock 1g intale make over 600whp?


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyn...tq-stock-1g-6-bolt-motor-6.html#post152577618

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyn...-block-ostar-motorsports-5.html#post152423651

Good point carl. Here is what I am chasing
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...cyclone-intake-record-7bolt-swap-results.html

 

[ceedawg]

Good point carl. Here is what I am chasing
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...cyclone-intake-record-7bolt-swap-results.html

With a smaller port head as well. If the 2.0L breaks the 2.4L CYCLONE record that means you have a wicked combo there my dude!

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I would think Ke'ls means its more the wheel combo setup of this particular turbo with the 2.0L motor thats a problem but Kels do correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that when the dyno is posted alot of questions will be answered. Why would anyone doubt why Kels describes his car as running night and day if all he made was a turbo swap? I feel he should know his car after all he built it studied his combo and now its running very well.
Lets just wait for the dyno and also look at the power curve.



I also dont think that the mani is an issue as we have seen Ostarmotorsports car with the stock 1g intake make over 600whp?

Kels cyclone mani is also ported and polished.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyn...tq-stock-1g-6-bolt-motor-6.html#post152577618

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyn...-block-ostar-motorsports-5.html#post152423651

I think you have missed the point, it sounds like the rest of us are on the same page now though. Read my last two posts in here. Tailor the rest of the setup to take advantage of the manifolds sweet spot. The intake manifold has a key function in determining the system's overall VE.

This one in particular is moat effective through the midrange and falls off at about 6750rpm as it gets away from the pulse peak of the 3rd harmonic. This is a function of runner lengths.

He will need as much boost as the 62mm can give him and as early as possible. Advancing both cams a bit to work with the manifold and as a side effect releasing some of the bottom of the power stroke early to work on the turbo instead of the crank. Towards BDC it doesn't have much leverage on the crank any more anyway. As long as his PtoV clearances allow it ofcourse.

What we're all saying is this type of record is more about where his combo needs to make peak power. The 1G manifold record is actually 816whp.

I would genuinely like to see him hit his target.. none of this is to be mean spirited.

 

[keltalon]

Thanks I know that whats the forum is all about I appreciate all the input..

 

[ceedawg]

I think you have missed the point, it sounds like the rest of us are on the same page now though. Read my last two posts in here. Tailor the rest of the setup to take advantage of the manifolds sweet spot. The intake manifold has a key function in determining the system's overall VE.

This one in particular is moat effective through the midrange and falls off at about 6750rpm as it gets away from the pulse peak of the 3rd harmonic. This is a function of runner lengths.

He will need as much boost as the 62mm can give him and as early as possible. Advancing both cams a bit to work with the manifold and as a side effect releasing some of the bottom of the power stroke early to work on the turbo instead of the crank. Towards BDC it doesn't have much leverage on the crank any more anyway. As long as his PtoV clearances allow it ofcourse.

What we're all saying is this type of record is more about where his combo needs to make peak power. The 1G manifold record is actually 816whp.

I would genuinely like to see him hit his target.. none of this is to be mean spirited.

No I did not miss your point and I understand you fully and agree with you, I'm pretty much addressing those comments that mention the manifolds at fault and just throwing out there that the whole combo may not be compatible with this particular turbo(Wheels,hsings) . However your points are very well made,on target and sums everything up and I dont think could be said any better..

 

[____Kurt____]

Well it seems like this is an appropriate thread to post this.
Last night I launched the car and and banged second gear then came to a stop. I quickly noticed this noise and turned the motor off. I then restarted the car and the noise was still there. It's weird because its like a single tick then would double for a second then single again. It sounds too high pitch to be a rod knock and too fast ie. in the head (lifter tick maybe)? Brand new setup 700 miles on everything with everything built including revised lifters. Car was tuned at 400 miles and it did make this noise 1 time before and it went away at cold start up. I started the car this morning as it was cold and wasn't there. I will let it warm up and see if it comes back. I feel like I got air in the lifter or it may be a weak lifter/s.
Anyway here is the video. I will post back after letting car warm up.
<iframe width="960" height="720" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/p6vf43BJ8D4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[keltalon]

Well it seems like this is an appropriate thread to post this.
Last night I launched the car and and banged second gear then came to a stop. I quickly noticed this noise and turned the motor off. I then restarted the car and the noise was still there. It's weird because its like a single tick then would double for a second then single again. It sounds too high pitch to be a rod knock and too fast ie. in the head (lifter tick maybe)? Brand new setup 700 miles on everything with everything built including revised lifters. Car was tuned at 400 miles and it did make this noise 1 time before and it went away at cold start up. I started the car this morning as it was cold and wasn't there. I will let it warm up and see if it comes back. I feel like I got air in the lifter or it may be a weak lifter/s.
Anyway here is the video. I will post back after letting car warm up.
<iframe width="960" height="720" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/p6vf43BJ8D4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Kurt if it comforts you that doesn't sound like what mine sounded like one or two things you have a failed lifter or you oil pressure is low. Verify that you oil pressure is normal and this will point to a possible collapse lifter. Take you oil cap off and post a video of what's happening inside the valve cover and I can personally tell you if its oil pressure or bad lifter

 

[keltalon]

Well it seems like this is an appropriate thread to post this.
Last night I launched the car and and banged second gear then came to a stop. I quickly noticed this noise and turned the motor off. I then restarted the car and the noise was still there. It's weird because its like a single tick then would double for a second then single again. It sounds too high pitch to be a rod knock and too fast ie. in the head (lifter tick maybe)? Brand new setup 700 miles on everything with everything built including revised lifters. Car was tuned at 400 miles and it did make this noise 1 time before and it went away at cold start up. I started the car this morning as it was cold and wasn't there. I will let it warm up and see if it comes back. I feel like I got air in the lifter or it may be a weak lifter/s.
Anyway here is the video. I will post back after letting car warm up.
<iframe width="960" height="720" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/p6vf43BJ8D4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Kurt if it comforts you that doesn't sound like what mine sounded like one or two things you have a failed lifter or your oil pressure is low. Verify that your oil pressure is normal and this will point to a possible collapse lifter. Take your oil cap off and post a video of what's happening inside the valve cover and I can personally tell you if its not your oil pressure you should have oil flow to the head head like in my video <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ZQYGqAWvhMU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[keltalon]

I am just very excited and though I post this update. Finally spent two hours today tuning my new speed density and after many pull over on the side of the road to make changes 30mins a a time I finally got the car tuned 11.3 pump gas 18 psi across the board I have to also say this 6266 cea turbo is sick Boost comes on very violently , the car goes from mild, modest to a complete lunatic. My excite can allow me to type all day and If I personally new this turbo was this bad I would have had it on the car a long time ago. At this point I really can't image what's gonna happen when boost is turned up to 30+psi trust me a full video, ecm v3 log and all is coming Their will be those who will be negative but once results are posted I will let the cyclone limitation rest in peace

 

[____Kurt____]

After getting different direction from MQ with the suggestion of an exhaust leak from the egr hole I found this noise was indeed an exhaust leak. That explains why I found nothing with the stethoscope. The plastic thermal Magnus gasket has melted and warped and will be replaced with a phenolic gasket. I'm glad it wasn't a bad lifter or broken wrist pin. But I did switch my oil from a 20-50 to a 10-30 and my oil pressure is still around 30psi at idle when warm and about 70 when cold.

 

[keltalon]

Sounds like the design of the turbine wheel might be made for high rpms or something, guess you need alot of exhaust velocity or flow to make the comps go I would assume. Or it may be the combo of the exh and compressor wheels that creates a velocity high flow situation just guessing.

You may be on to something. it has been said that its my set up I have been running the same setup on various turbochargers.

14b, 278whp

big 16g 356whp

evo III 16g 374whp

borg warner s259 extended tip 536whp dynosheet in cam test thread

comp 6265 519 whp l

comp 6465 no dyno

comp 6467 573whp

comp 6765 no dyno power feel less than 6467

PTE 6266 yet to dyno (most impressive to date spools almost as fast as the borg warner s259. dsmlink estimates 18psi 490hp 49.5lbs/min of air flowing can't turn the boost up past this on 93oct until car is fully tuned small amounts of knock these numbers are right on par with 600+whp on my setup with cyclone manifold.

I was never successful at getting any of the comp turbochargers to boost past, if I am not mistaken 32psi no matter what I did. I even removed the wastegate to no avail. I always felt that it was something in my setup that prevented this and never ruled out a boost leak after many boost leak test where I found nothing. I just accepted that this is the way it gonna be.

All of this changed the other day when I installed the pte6266. I took the car down the road and went WOT, remind you this is swapping out the comp 6765 and putting the pte6266 on the car everything the same, the boost gauge immediately went to 40psi huge accounts of knock I let off really quick, pulled over and back the screw out of the manual boost controller to wastgate spring pressure 10psi and from there I started tuning the car.

Had to kind of rewrite the whole tune considering that the car was spooling super quickly in the lower rpm. After many hours of tuning I was able to tuning with no knock 18psi the car pulls very hard.

needless to say I am pleased and look forward for more results as I am now going to address the last thing on my list which is fuel lines and fuel pump when this is done I will be ready to see what this monster is capable of in terms of power

 

[keltalon]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469411

Ecmlink log

 

[keltalon]

Finally got the numbers!!

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/469698-finally-broke-cyclone-dyno-record.html:D

 

[keltalon]

Dyno sheet a happy ending to a sad start.
Over 500lbs tq 4800rpm WOW! All power under 7500rpm cyclone doing its job. I opted not to install the bc 284 280 cams at this time but reinstalled the bc 272s straight up which yielded excellent results

 

[keltalon]

Next upgrades include.
Fwd twin disc
Additional Jay racing 342 fuel pump
Brake upgrade
Axle upgrade
Cage
Then I can track the car legally from time to time. Lol
Stay tuned!

 

[keltalon]

Here is the speed plot just in case anyone wanted to see it. Can you imagine an interstate pull from 90mph to 160mph.

 

[keltalon]

Can't post the image you have to see the speed plot in the broke the cyclone record link.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/469698-finally-broke-cyclone-dyno-record.html

 

[jmartinez1228]

Kel haven't been on here much to keep up with your build but Congrats! on the record bro.

 

[keltalon]

Kel haven't been on here much to keep up with your build but Congrats! on the record bro.

Thanks! She is in the shop at the moment being painted I was just getting the bumper front fenders and hood done but when I saw how awesome the ppg2002 clear coat looked I just left the car in to have the whole thing done over. One thing I noted is that after the car was sanded I was amazed to see how many dings was really in the body! I bought the clear myself took to body shop and that 2002 is expensive my father in law is doing the body and paint job he know his stuff. I will have it back next Monday!

 

[boost97gst]

Weird how these dsms are dent MAGNETS right?? I too couldnt believe how many tiny dents i had everywhere until my paint/body guy showed me. Going with the silver/grey? Or is that still prep work im seeing?
I went with lighter grey with light metallics in it and was pleased with the results. Just dont know what color rims i want. So i murdered out the current ones with plastidip , it actually looks pretty good.