Best Turbo? [Merged 9-9] turbocharger upgrade

[hukster00]

hi, i wona upgrade my turbo on the gsx, and there is so many choices dont know which one to buy, so i asking you pepz wich turbo is best for under 1k for street/strip setup thanks,

 

[EclipseDuDeGST]

Evo III maybe.. you can get it for under $700

 

[KPWSerpiente]

With a GS-T, it does not matter what turbo you have if you don't have traction.

If you don't have what it takes to hook up (suspension, tires, lsd and or motor mounts) you will never cut a sub 13 second time.

This is such a big subject I don't even want to get into it.

A big 16g with install kit should be less than 800 dollars, and will get you into the 12's on slicks...but then you run the risk of breaking an axle. Blah blah, I could go on.

-T

 

[jrpmp69]

I am using Yokoha AVS ES 100's right now on my stock wheels, and i am also installing an ACT 2100 Clutch kit with street disk for the traction part. I will also be installing 550-680cc injectors with an Apexi S-AFC and a walbro 190lph fuel pump within a month or so and i am also looking into instaling a front mount intercooler.
This project has cost me $2500 so far without all these extra thing i just mentioned.

I was looking at the EVO III Big 16g but then i would have to get a bigger turbo later down the road if i want more power. I have seen T4 turbos under $500 but i would have to also get a turbo manifold with an external wastegate which will add another $600 or so to that.
I was also looking at a HRC 20g turbo, which they sell for like $850 plus u have to get the installation kit.

How would i break an axle? How can i avoid that?

 

[philipkrotch]

either an fp green or 60-1 definately. better to have something that doesnt spool right quick because u still do need to get moving
my old 16g put out enough at 18 psi to light em up in 3rd rolling down the road. spooled to fast and made enough power. the track wasnt even an option for me.

 

[Race94]

i don't know what the deal is with traction being such an issue, with a 2100 good tires you can get 12's. The guy who sold m my car had intrax springs on his car, non-adjustable shocks, good tires(i think dunlop) and he ran 12.0 on a GST, he did have all engine mods + microtech but i am reffering to traction issues.

 

[dsmayhem]

Something laggy! My vote would be for a green as well as thats what I hope to get someday. But with a budget in mind I imagine a 16g of some sort would do the job. For a little more you could also have a PTE 50 trim. I want to say they can be had for less than $1k.

 

[philipkrotch]

Originally posted by Race94
i don't know what the deal is with traction being such an issue, with a 2100 good tires you can get 12's. The guy who sold m my car had intrax springs on his car, non-adjustable shocks, good tires(i think dunlop) and he ran 12.0 on a GST, he did have all engine mods + microtech but i am reffering to traction issues.

are you on crack???? when mine was stock on bf goodrich touring ta's (not the best but good) i couldnt get traction till halfway through 2nd. mith mods and more boost on a 16g i couldnt get it until 3rd. u cwaaaazy!

 

[Race94]

everybody is different and every track/driver/mechanic is different.
12's can be achieved without all out suspension mods like LSD and built tranny etc.

Good tires, clutch, springs and really good driving

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I would probably go with something a little laggy too. if you get something with quick spool you will definately have problems all the way - 3rd. I am personally in favor of a 20g.

 

[ohio98eclipse]

In a fwd dsm i dont care how good of a driver u are to get into the 12's to begin with u will be pushin some good ass hp. With all the boost your pushin without good suspension mods u will slip slip slip. If u let off and get back on it u will lose to much time before u regain traction to run 12's..

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T
I would probably go with something a little laggy too. if you get something with quick spool you will definately have problems all the way - 3rd. I am personally in favor of a 20g.

He said all I had to say.

 

[jrpmp69]

How do you guys feel about the Hahn RaceCraft 20G tubo?
Gotta keep in mind that this vehicle is my only meens of transportation.

 

[philipkrotch]

Originally posted by jrpmp69
How do you guys feel about the Hahn RaceCraft 20G tubo?
Gotta keep in mind that this vehicle is my only meens of transportation.

I HAVENT REALLY HEARD TOO MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT HAHN...ID GET THE TDO6 2OG FROM SLOWBOYRACING.COM , BUT FOR THAT PRICE U MIGHT AS well get an fp green. (sorry about the caps)

 

[Groomz]

Not to sound to F&F, but an Evo III 16G and nitrous oxide ( didn't say NOS did I? ) with slicks and a good suspension would net at least high 12's. Good driving is required also. A poorly tuned 50 trim should do the the trick too. You may not get the ET's your looking for with FWD, but mph at the end is going to be very fast.

-Groomz

 

[VRMAN]

I personally don't agree with anything Race94 has said. I have quite an extensive mod list and I won't break 12s without slicks, LSD and some better axles.

Street tires, no suspension and an ACT 2100 won't get you out of the low 14s.

Lag is most definately your friend in FWD trim. The hahn 20G has not been anyone's favorite and is TOO laggy for the power it makes. A PTE 50trim or a TD06 20G really will be your best bet for raw power and still have the ability to daily drive. You really need some 225 or 235 tires and some AGX shocks as well.

Gotta pay to play.

 

[jrpmp69]

Originally posted by VRMAN
I personally don't agree with anything Race94 has said. I have quite an extensive mod list and I won't break 12s without slicks, LSD and some better axles.

Street tires, no suspension and an ACT 2100 won't get you out of the low 14s.

Lag is most definately your friend in FWD trim. The hahn 20G has not been anyone's favorite and is TOO laggy for the power it makes. A PTE 50trim or a TD06 20G really will be your best bet for raw power and still have the ability to daily drive. You really need some 225 or 235 tires and some AGX shocks as well.

Gotta pay to play.

I also have some Tenzo 1.5" lowering springs and rear tokico HP shocks and getting tokico illuminas for the front, just havnt installed them yet.
I think i should have just waited a lil bit longet till i ran accros a GSX, maybe then i would have eliminated all these problems. I think i will just get the Big 16g for now, maybe in a year or so i will have enough money to get an fp green.

What do you guys think about the MItsubishi 18G turbo? I saw one of those for $750.

 

[midnght]

Little insight:

My UNTUNED TDO6H 20G from slowboy resulted in a:

Stock suspension/ride height got me
14.00 best time
112.45 best mph

So you can see the trap speed is there. Traction is an issue with anything before halfway through 3rd. I am running 225 Nitto Neo Gens and if I don't ease it from the 1st through the first half of 3rd it will skip.


I have since put on Tokico Illumina Shocks with 1.5 Tein Springs. Along with an AWD tranny and new axles. Other things I have put on help with stopping so that is not a matter here.


This car is my daily driver and I treat it as such. I have yet to run more than 19-20psi and have only used 94 oct. since I want to get realistic numbers with a stock engine (From Block to bolts). Soon I will do a HG and ARP's, once I hit 50k on my stock block it will get a fresh belt aswell.


Another side note: Hahn S16G with an LSD ran a 12.7 at 111mph. He is on this site, but has since changed to a S20G and is now going bigger. As you can see with my current untuned MPH and some better driving (after I get my trans rebuilt) and a LSD, I know this turbo "CAN" get me in the sub 12's with some good driving.

Take that for what it's worth!

Have Fun with it!

 

[Race94]

Originally posted by VRMAN
I personally don't agree with anything Race94 has said. I have quite an extensive mod list and I won't break 12s without slicks, LSD and some better axles.

Street tires, no suspension and an ACT 2100 won't get you out of the low 14s.

I'll try and get some time slips and pics
I'm not saying anyone can but my buddy did, for 11's you definately need slicks and stuff on a GST, there is a 95 GST running 11.5 but he got slicks and stuff, also i do agree i am wrong with the ACT 2100 for 12's, he was clutchmasters.

"Street tires, no suspension and an ACT 2100 won't get you out of the low 14s" this i hope is not true cause i want 13's dammit

 

[fireredGST]

Get an LSD...traction issue resolved...

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by Race94
I'll try and get some time slips and pics
I'm not saying anyone can but my buddy did, for 11's you definately need slicks and stuff on a GST, there is a 95 GST running 11.5 but he got slicks and stuff, also i do agree i am wrong with the ACT 2100 for 12's, he was clutchmasters.

"Street tires, no suspension and an ACT 2100 won't get you out of the low 14s" this i hope is not true cause i want 13's dammit

They are FWD's in the 9s.....

FWD DSM Times

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Big 16g ported and clipped 10 degrees if you have traction , tunning and support you could have mid-high 11s(not easy but possible). Id go for the b16g, it pulls like a raped ape all the way to redline at 10psi and much faster yet at 15psi. Its your choice.
Andrew

 

[Turbo98]

Originally posted by fireredGST
Get an LSD...traction issue resolved...

!!! I have a Quaife L.S.D. and prothane motor mounts... It's not as easy as that. I still don't have traction! I'm putting tokico 5way's on friday with 1.5 inch lowering springs and 225 50 16 Falken's and we'll see from there.

 

[jrpmp69]

Will the Extreme Motorsports Phantom Grip LSD Converter be a good purchase? Will it be able to hold better traction?

 

[VRMAN]

Yes the LSD insert does help alot, if you are interested in one, PM me, I have info on best place to get it cheapest.

Here is a review link for LSD inserts:


http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=78708

 

[GSntncT]

Originally posted by VRMAN
I personally don't agree with anything Race94 has said. I have quite an extensive mod list and I won't break 12s without slicks, LSD and some better axles.

Street tires, no suspension and an ACT 2100 won't get you out of the low 14s.

Lag is most definately your friend in FWD trim. The hahn 20G has not been anyone's favorite and is TOO laggy for the power it makes. A PTE 50trim or a TD06 20G really will be your best bet for raw power and still have the ability to daily drive. You really need some 225 or 235 tires and some AGX shocks as well.

Gotta pay to play.

Can it be anymore accurate?