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GVR-4 AliExpress HX35G?

Posted by LumpyVR4, Dec 10, 2019

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  1. LumpyVR4

    LumpyVR4 Supporting Member

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    After opinions about the turbo in the link below. Do you think it is genuine? Can I run the internal gate, at least initially? Is it a good choice for the rest of my build?

    Street car. 6 bolt, 94mm stroker. 8.5:1. 2G head cnc'd. Kelford cams 264 / 272. +1 valves. Beehives for 9K but will probably be shifting at 8k max. Intake is cleaned up evo 3 fed buy a 70mm S90. 1600cc injectors with a view to go E85, but supply here is a little bit of a drive, so 94 / E85. Max boost level 30 psi.

    I was looking at this because it has a water jacket.
    Turbine Wheel : (Ind. 70. mm, Exd. 60. mm, 11 Blades)
    Comp. Wheel : (Ind. 53.91 mm, Exd. 78. mm, Trm 5.09 mm, 7+7 Blades)

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32961003317.html
     

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  2. motomattx

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  3. Canadian_CD9A

    Canadian_CD9A Proven Member

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    I highly, highly doubt a Holset on Aliexpress is real. The IWG is not made for gasoline applications- it only draws from one scroll, so you will have different backpressures between the scrolls and therefore an imbalance between your cylinders.
    Also, HX35G is like any other HX35 (plus water cooling). Make sure what turbine housing it comes with though, as it might have something stupidly big.
     
  4. DSMPT

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    No it's not genuine... If you know what aliexpress is... don't be fooled by them. I am not saying that the turbo won't work or bad. some copies work but obviously its life span would be shorter and don't flow as it should. Should go with a genuine if you care about the quality.
     
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  5. EVLGSX

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    Fake
     

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  6. EVLGSX

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    if you want brand new, you are gonna pay big. no way around it.
    I would go on ebay and buy a used genuine unit that was pulled from a Dodge that looks decent. Might need a rebuild, might not, dont pay too much. cant tell them apart? you havent spent enough time staring at them. pay attention to the details. Very easy to tell them apart once you get it. not easy to find the non-wastegated 12cm version so you might have to buy an hx-35W and purchase the 12cm no WG housing aftermarket if your not patient.
     

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  7. LumpyVR4

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    OK so fake. So I'll be looking elsewhere.

    Just talking about the specs, those that have done it. Would you consider it correct for its intended use?
    I've read the threads on these and the 40 and decided on these specs from that. Just like a little confirmation where several thousand dollars are involved.

    HX35G
    12cm twin scroll
    Turbine Wheel : (Ind. 70. mm, Exd. 60. mm, 11 Blades)
    Comp. Wheel : (Ind. 53.91 mm, Exd. 78. mm, Trm 5.09 mm, 7+7 Blades)
     

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  8. rabenne

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    FWIW:

    I paid for one of those via paypal a few days ago. Paypal will provide me a refund if something sold as genuine is not indeed genuine. The seller told me they are 100% authentic (in writing), and there is an anti-piracy code on the turbo. If I can verify that number on a legit Holset/Cummins website, then I will let you guys know. Otherwise I will dispute with paypal: I will get a refund and they will get in trouble.

    Low risk in the scheme of things. I want to know if it is real instead of just taking people's word for it. To be fair, that is not the seller I used.

    People on here get locked into what they "know" sometimes. No offense to anybody, but biases affect us all. There is a Holset plant in Wuxi, China, so I am willing to check their "anti-piracy code" and decide for myself if it is authentic or not. I imagine if it is fake I will get to keep it for free (because they wont want to pay to ship it back), but I will try to remember to post the result here.
     

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  9. EVLGSX

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    Okay then............

    It would be narrow minded to assume its impossible for someone to find a cool new way to get a legit unit............that would be a good thing.

    Do you know if the seller is an authorized Holset distributors?

    A link to what you bought would be good for the sake of this discussion.
     

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  10. rabenne

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    There is no link, because I contacted the seller via aliexpress messenger. This reduced the price, and ensured I got the configuration I was after. 7/10 blade. 60mm comp, 64mm/76mm turbine.

    I did not look to see if they are authorized. I will see if I can find them on the Holset site. If not, I will ask them if they are.
     

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  11. rabenne

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    It really would... and while I have my serious doubts, I don't feel like the risk is too great. With PayPal's buyer protection, I feel like there is nothing to lose... but that could come back to bite me.

    Tracking says I will find out on Tuesday next week.
     
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  12. LumpyVR4

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    OK so maybe not fake. I look forward to seeing how things turn out.
     

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  13. rabenne

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    Maybe, but it is still pretty likely... I just want to know. I am also still hunting for genuine Holsets via a wanted ad on here. I plan to buy what I need (assuming one pops up eventually) and send it out for rebuild.

    If it ends up being real (which I doubt) then I will just sell off the rebuilt unit, or save it for one of the other cars...
     

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  14. rabenne

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    So the seller responded that he is not an authorized Holset dealer, but told me who his supplier is and they are on Holset's list. He said they were "local" to him so I google mapped them both, based on their google translated Chinese websites. After figuring out how to decipher a Chinese address format, I was able to determine they are actually 7km away from each other. So, this narrative still lends some possibility of these being legit, but I still have my doubts.

    I have reached out to Holset to ask them about verifying if a turbo is geniune, and explained that there are obvious copies bearing the Holset name. I further explained their outdated guide has served as a how-to for making better counterfeits. They have to know it is an issue, especially in China. I am wondering if they can verify serial plates. Hopefully they can shed some light on this situation.

    So it's probably still china junk, but I like that the guy isn't making a big deal about me asking so many questions about the authenticity. So I submit that he either is selling genuine parts, or more likely, he doesn't know that PayPal has a policy against accepting payments from selling branded knock-offs and is going to be pretty upset when they give me my money back.
     

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  15. 1990TSIAWDTALON

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    Dam you really covered all the bases on that Will. I'm anxious to hear what you hear!
     

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  16. rabenne

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    Well I received the turbo. I am still extremely skeptical. It looks to be on par with quality, and based on the Holset counterfeit guide it looks legit. But I realize the guide is also available to counterfeiters so that is pretty meaningless. I still have my doubts so I have been looking into the anti-piracy code on the turbo. It says to text a code (located under a scratch off film) to 400-671-0186 (Chinese phone number).

    I was able to verify that is a legit Holset phone number associated with anti-piracy code checking. I found that number referenced on a pdf located on cummins.ru website. I attached a snip of the page showing the phone number that matches the tag on the turbo.

    cummins russia - anti piracy newsletter - +684006710186.PNG

    I then tried to text the code to +684006710186, (+68 is China country code). But I immediately got a response that the message cant be completed. I then asked the seller why I couldn't verify, and his guess is the automated system does not allow international text messages. I am now working on finding one of my contacts with a Chinese cell phone/service. They can then send the code under the scratch off tag to the real Cummins phone number and hopefully validate the turbo.

    Or they will try and it won't work - in which case I have all the evidence I need to approach paypal about a knock-off sale (which is against their policy).

    I am actually at 50%-50% now. This thing might be real?!?! If I am able to verify via a known real Cummins phone number and automated system, I will be pretty well convinced.
     

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    My biggest hangup would be the sellers thin reply to your question about the verification issue you are having. Do you really think hes never been asked this after selling one of these to people all over the world? doubt your his first customer ever, so that would indicate to me that hes lying. He had to "guess". Hes hoping you just go away. I

    I seriously doubt Holset would use a verification system that only works if you have a China cell phone in china or whatever his guess was.

    Id get the refund process started.
     

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  18. rabenne

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    I am actually investigating this to determine if it is real Holset. If I was going by what random people on a forum "think" then I wouldn't have had them ship it in the first place.

    The tag has a real Holset-owned phone number printed on it, and I know that phone number is dedicated to verifying the anti-piracy codes. I have confirmed this fact on a Cummins owned website, via a pdf newsletter they send out regarding anti-piracy.

    If I find a way to verify the code and the verification comes from the known real Holset-owned phone number, then your "serious doubt" will mean even less to me.

    Its nothing personal, not an attack on you personally, EVL, but you are missing the whole point. YOU DO NOT KNOW! Same as I don't know. But, I think I have a reasonable way to confirm or deny once I figure this out. I have also reached out to the China Cummins customer service, in case they can verify the code outside of the automated system. USA Cummins has not yet replied to my attempts to reach out.

    If anyone else has "doubts" or "hangups", please feel free to voice them, as it may lead to new paths toward confirmation or denial.
     

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  19. silvreclips

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    Let's see some pictures of it.
     

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  20. EVLGSX

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    No offense taken LOL......dont be silly. I get the whole point.......clearly........I think you know that.

    Just giving my opinion on what I would be thinking and doing......

    by all means, proceed. Im pushin for ya.
     

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  21. rabenne

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    I am cautiously optimistic, but I know there is a very real possibility it is just a convincing fake. If I can't get satisfactory "proof" then I will make the claim with paypal.

    I will post pics when I am home later
     

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  22. turtleb00st

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    It’s a crap turbo. Some people have had luck with China turbos. On3 turbos specifically. Chances are when the turbo you have see’s any real boost, it will eventually have catastrophic failure. Go to your local diesel injector/rebuild spot and they should have some hx35 oem style turbos for cheap. I personally wouldn’t put it on my own vehicle.
     
  23. rabenne

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    Thanks again for the opinions. I totally get the cautiousness you guys are suggesting. The plan is to use it only if authenticated without any doubt. Clearly I still have doubt.

    I am guessing the turbos that are made in cummins owned chinese facilities are of decent quality. The question is about whether this is one of those turbos, at a pretty decent price, or if it is a copy of one of those turbos - which is bullshit at any price.

    I am still not sure. Leaning towards fake, so I told the seller I think it is counterfeit and he kinda flipped out, like defensive. So it is 99%-1% now. Fake.

    Pics finally! @silvreclips
     

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    Holset is huge in Asia, so the fact that it's Chinese-made shouldn't be an indicator of any sorts. Call Holset USA, maybe they can tell you something that isn't available online. If you can't get a conclusive result, just bolt it on and send it anyway.
     
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  25. rabenne

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    No this experiment was just that. I just had gpop shop rebuild a PTE 50 trim with billet wheel and still have the garrett bb 50 trim on the silver car. I am fine with two 50 trim cars until I find a suitable hx40 core to get rebuilt.

    However I agree about Holset being huge in China and Asia in general. That is def not an indicator of anything in my mind. The question is real china holset or fake china holset.
     

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