About to finish thing belt, opinions appreciated

[juntjoo]

...as u can see by the pics. Does this mean the the exhaust sprocket is installed a little off or ...

Ultimately, do I want both cams in the same rested position like in the pic with both sets of cams pointed upwards before installing belt, BUT exhaust sprocket timing mark off a bit counter clockwise as shown or....

Do I install the belt while timing marks are aligned, BUT, exhaust cam slightly over CLOCKWISE, but then once belt tension applied the exhaust (and exhaust only?) sprocket will adjust back counter clockwise a bit putting cam shafts back in sync?

Thanks

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[Calan]

Btw, u wouldn't happen to know if the power steering pump pivots to allow you to slip h2o/ps belt over the pulley would you?

Of course it d....

Wait. How did you get this far into a timing belt job without knowing this?

How did you get the PS belt off?

 

[BurrowZ]

Of course it d....

Wait. How did you get this far into a timing belt job without knowing this?

How did you get the PS belt off?

My guess is he followed the vfaq which IIRC actually has you loosen the water pump pulley bolts and he just removed them.

OP, just spin the pulley, you will notice holes in it to access the bolts. Use your 12mm socket and get in there. You also have to loosen another bolt, shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

I am a little worried.

 

[juntjoo]

My guess is he followed the vfaq which IIRC actually has you loosen the water pump pulley bolts and he just removed them.

OP, just spin the pulley, you will notice holes in it to access the bolts. Use your 12mm socket and get in there. You also have to loosen another bolt, shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

I am a little worried.

Ah, those holes.... Thanks. Phew! Again I was about to cry there.

Btw, I had to take the h2o pulley off to replace the h2o pump! No?

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[juntjoo]

Thanks so much bro! I wouldn't have been able to take my wheel off without u guys. Almost not a lie. Bought the car used and came with these lug nuts that use these keys I was never familiar with. Took me too long to figure out what that socket was doing in the glove compartment. Almost paid a shop to rip my nuts off...

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[Calan]

Almost paid a shop to rip my nuts off...

Uhhh...

 

[BurrowZ]

Ah, those holes.... Thanks. Phew! Again I was about to cry there.

Btw, I had to take the h2o pulley off to replace the h2o pump! No?

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Yeah. I always remove it when I do a t-belt.

If you can't get a socket in there for whatever reason and need to tighten it, a wrench will still do the job. But it will do it much, much slower.

While you are here I have to ask.. you figured out how to loosen the alternator right?

Uhhh...

Heh.. I can just picture a customer coming in..

"Rip my nuts off."

 

[juntjoo]

Yeah. I always remove it when I do a t-belt.

If you can't get a socket in there for whatever reason and need to tighten it, a wrench will still do the job. But it will do it much, much slower.

While you are here I have to ask.. you figured out how to loosen the alternator right?

Yeah, figured out the alternator. Car is like a collection of puzzles. Cross your fingers for me.... Bolt'n it up. I still got a bunch of broken bolts to remove and a couple other nic nack replacements to do but I gotta get back to work (delivery, dominos & jimmy johns) and I'm praying for a whole new beast to emerge, and hopefully not some sputtering popping smoke machine.


Heh.. I can just picture a customer coming in..

"Rip my nuts off."

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[DSMTyson]

DSM Graveyard 4g63 Timing Belt Tutorial - YouTube

WATCH THIS VIDEO.

 

[pSimytSi]

OP - have you fixed your tensioner position? In your first pic, the two holes you see should be lined up perfectly with each other. Your tensioner is maxed out in this pic.

 

[juntjoo]

Okay, car isn't starting. Trying not to panic. Have to work in the morning...

It turns over but doesn't ignite. Must have something to do with spark plugs and wires I changed right?

From researching these forums, pistons go 1-4, from right to left facing engine, which correspond to the 4 holes on the eci thing which go 1,4,2,3 from left to right facing the cams right?

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[BurrowZ]

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I saw your reply in there, and I just wanted to let you know I have worked for JJ's and Dominos at the SAME time as well. I currently work for Dominos while in college.. heh. Small world really. (And just quit JJ's. Domino's tips are better.)

 

[juntjoo]

OP - have you fixed your tensioner position? In your first pic, the two holes you see should be lined up perfectly with each other. Your tensioner is maxed out in this pic.

Yeah, fixed that

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[JusMX141]

I recall having a difficult time with my first 4G63 timing job- like, it took me a few hours because I had to tap the battery hold-down bolt and check/re-check everything once it was done....but really?

If you lived close I'd seriously stop by and your car would be running in a half hour. Practice makes perfect, and the proper tools certainly help.

 

[Calan]

From researching these forums, pistons go 1-4, from right to left facing engine, which correspond to the 4 holes on the eci thing which go 1,4,2,3 from left to right facing the cams right?

The cylinders are numbered 1 to 4, from the driver's side to the passenger side. The "4 holes on the eci thing" (also known as the coil outputs) are numbered 4,1,2,3 and should be stamped on the coil (although 1,4,2,3 will also work).

 

[juntjoo]

The cylinders are numbered 1 to 4, from the driver's side to the passenger side. The "4 holes on the eci thing" (also known as the coil outputs) are numbered 4,1,2,3 and should be stamped on the coil (although 1,4,2,3 will also work).

Thanks. Yeah, I got that right. The tow truck driver and the mechanic just upon listening to it crank thought it was the timing. I still have yet to hear the final word from the mechanic.

Bummer. I didn't want to have to pay someone to go back and check all the work I just did. Kinda feels like I'm partially disowning my job. Another reason I've my fingers crossed hoping he'll call me back in a bit and say "sir, we got your car running. Fortunately it was just that your new spark plugs were incorrectly gapped(haynes suggested that. Maybe???). Sorry for scaring you with the timing concern, speaking of which, you did a fabulous job on that, and that nifty little balance shaft removal... Only cool people do that. Nice work buddy. $20 will take care of it."

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[juntjoo]

I don't trust mechanics (1 of the main reasons I decided to start doing my own work). He said I had my sp wires switched, which I read somewhere u can switch 1&4 and or 2&3 and I already confirmed that I had @least each pair matched up to their respective corresponding pair, so I don't know if that means he's ignorant or what.

But he said that wasn't enough to get engine to start so he checked timing and said it was off 2 teeth. But how does that happen when when I put on the belt just last night it was perfect and the grenade pin was able to insert the tensioner, and I hand cranked it enough to recheck it several times.

Afterwards and a the few times I tried, I cranked the engine over to get a sound that both the tow truck driver and mechanic identified as an off-time sound. I'm not sure what they meant but I'm guessing it sounded like less was going on as it cranked. Like normally it would sound like there would be more of a strenuous whine maybe? And my sound was more of a smoother lacking crank (?).

Any ideas? Someone@work said something about it maybe cranking but not sparking because something wouldn't recognize the timing to be correct therefore wouldn't allow spark?? Does that make any sense?

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[juntjoo]

Anyone? I'm mainly concerned @ this point about how trustworthy this mechanic is. How likely is it that right after I installed the belt with everything perfectly in sync that it falls off 2 teeth? I'm stressed just feeling like my bank account is @ the mercy of this mechanic.

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[92AWDHX40]

thats odd never had that happen, everything is hooked up corrrectly? Do you have a compression tester to see whats going on.

 

[juntjoo]

thats odd never had that happen, everything is hooked up corrrectly? Do you have a compression tester to see whats going on.

No, never used one. What would that determine? And what is with the weak cranking I mentioned above? Is that really indicative of bad timing? I don't wanna suspect this mechanic of cheating me if he's not

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[juntjoo]

Really? There shouldn't be any possibility of maybe the belt jumping a couple teeth after cranking.... well as I explained, immediately after installing belt perfectly it wouldn't start. That doesn't sound like the belt suddenly jumped a couple teeth.... Idk

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[juntjoo]

Should I have tested it out before I put on all the drive belts while it was still open and up on jacks? Can u do that? Power steering, ac, and alternator don't need to run just to test your engine to see if it will start right?

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[newTSIguy]

yes you can start it without the drive belts on,

 

[juntjoo]

Another thing I'm wondering about is if in fact it is off time even though I am sure i had all the marks lined up as everyone insisted, should I lined it up the way I found it when I first opened it up, as I mentioned in an earlier thread earlier this month. They say if you're a tooth or two off it might not run... Before belt broke it ran but timing marks were off a tooth or so as my pics showed. But it ran decently. Anyone even looking at this? Should I have created a new thread? Don't want to piss anyone off, but don't know if old threads fall off the list of current threads.

Sorry. Stress levels high. I drive for a living and each day w/out a car I get closer to being replaced@work and car is being held captive by new strange mechanic who could easily wipe out half my bank account .... It's a good thing I don't do drugs because I'd bring doing em now. Don't even have a beer in the fridge....

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[Calan]

Another thing I'm wondering about is if in fact it is off time even though I am sure i had all the marks lined up as everyone insisted, should I lined it up the way I found it when I first opened it up, as I mentioned in an earlier thread earlier this month. They say if you're a tooth or two off it might not run... Before belt broke it ran but timing marks were off a tooth or so as my pics showed. But it ran decently. Anyone even looking at this? Should I have created a new thread? Don't want to piss anyone off, but don't know if old threads fall off the list of current threads.

Sorry. Stress levels high. I drive for a living and each day w/out a car I get closer to being replaced@work and car is being held captive by new strange mechanic who could easily wipe out half my bank account .... It's a good thing I don't do drugs because I'd bring doing em now. Don't even have a beer in the fridge....

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Did you follow the timing procedure EXACTLY...let the tensioner sit for 15 minutes, rotate the engine 6 times and verify all the marks are still line up?

Have you gone over all the sensors and everything you pulled? Did you take pics before you started to use as a reference?

Have you read the no-start tech article? Have you checked to see if you have fuel and spark?

 

[bryanwheat]

Another thing I'm wondering about is if in fact it is off time even though I am sure i had all the marks lined up as everyone insisted, should I lined it up the way I found it when I first opened it up, as I mentioned in an earlier thread earlier this month. They say if you're a tooth or two off it might not run... Before belt broke it ran but timing marks were off a tooth or so as my pics showed. But it ran decently. Anyone even looking at this? Should I have created a new thread? Don't want to piss anyone off, but don't know if old threads fall off the list of current threads.

Sorry. Stress levels high. I drive for a living and each day w/out a car I get closer to being replaced@work and car is being held captive by new strange mechanic who could easily wipe out half my bank account .... It's a good thing I don't do drugs because I'd bring doing em now. Don't even have a beer in the fridge....

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So the old belt broke?