60-1 users, what supporting mods?

[gimmie11s]

I dont see your point. I have ran 850's on my 60-1 and hit high 90% IDC on 28psi of 93 octane and went to 980's now (on a t66).

:laugh: Ya, ok. Yet you have never been to the track. Or maybe you have but the times were so terrible you refuse to share them. 90% IDC on 850s with a 60-1? So you were making well over 650 whp? i doubt it.

the next time you see duty cycle like that, break out your air pump and hunt down those boost leaks smart guy..

Your entire thought of "ow this guy did this,this guy did that" hec my friend turned a 12.9 in his 2g w/16g and BONE STOCK FUEL SYSTEM...... guess what happened 2 weeks later......BOOM.

your friend needs to learn how to tune his car. People have been going 11s on 14b's for years with 100% stock fuel systems.... (read: Phil1320).

[a chip] changes the injector pulse time. Dont throw out information you do not know about. An afc could NEVER get a car to idle 850's anywhere near stock, but dsmlink and keydrivers can.....guess they are the exact same

and what exaclty do you believe an AFC does? CHANGES THE PULSE TIME.
yes, believe it or not, when ones pushes the "-" button on the AFC it tricks the ecu into thinking the engine is recieving less air.... thus REDUCING THE INJECTOR PULSE TIME.

your one smart guy..

 

[diambo4life]

I dont see your point. I have ran 850's on my 60-1 and hit high 90% IDC on 28psi of 93 octane and went to 980's now (on a t66).

You miss the point where gimmie11's says that on RACE GAS, 650/660cc's are plenty for the 60-1, hence the reason I added the little fact that Rizz. ran 660cc's on his car and dynoed close to 500AWHP (ie. 600 crank HP+) on them. If you want to run more boost on PUMP gas (like you did,) get bigger injectors. Did you actually read the entire thread? Maybe then you would have "seen that point."

Tmizer, FWIW, KD's chips dead time compensation for the injectors are already on the rich side. I say this from my personal experience and other people who I know. It will screw up with your trims. You definitely will need further dialing in with an AFC but overall, the tuning should be much easier than it would have been with no chip.

 

[LightningMS]

Im a 60-1 person.. ran a 12.9 on bumpy ol palmdale with a cracked head hehe beat that.

 

[cfisher]

I'm still in debate over the RS49T or the RS60T. I don't want to get the RS49T and go to small but I also don't want to go to big. I'm running 680cc PTE injectors and have a SBR FMIC on the way. I'm really looking for low 12's high 11's, but I just got these injectors and don't want to go buy a new set. I'm currently running a frank 2 turbo.

 

[tmizer]

Thanks diambo4life for the information. I try to keep up on the Fullthrottletech website as well as the Yahoo dsm-ecu group on the latest chip developments. I have my own chip burner and usually tweak my AF and timing maps thru the season. However, I certainly don't mind spending money with significant DSM contributors like Jeff at Keydiver.

Like 95AWD_TSI_Talon, I plan to run alot of pump (94) gas during this upcoming season and do it "safely".

 

[diambo4life]

No problem. Personally, I just got tired with the part-throttle tuning issues and fighting with timing with all the chips and piggy backs. I have the 1G DSMlink sitting on my desk waiting to go in the car once I finish my rebuild. Can't wait.

 

[LightningMS]

I'm still in debate over the RS49T or the RS60T. I don't want to get the RS49T and go to small but I also don't want to go to big. I'm running 680cc PTE injectors and have a SBR FMIC on the way. I'm really looking for low 12's high 11's, but I just got these injectors and don't want to go buy a new set. I'm currently running a frank 2 turbo.

go 60-1 its good trust, on awd you'll spool that regardless..... im running 680 pte at 462awdhp on racegas, but for somereason i feel like not pushing it 11s are fine for me. Or you can go with my new turbo im releasing this summer its 60-1 with spool at 3k instead of 3500rpm and fully spooled 3500, look for the release of it this summer at www.evilboost.com

 

[cfisher]

I've gone over all the #'s and pages and pages of this topic. I'm going with the RS60T because $699 is just to good of a deal to pass up. Anyone looking for a TDO6 20g???

 

[tmizer]

No problem. Personally, I just got tired with the part-throttle tuning issues and fighting with timing with all the chips and piggy backs. I have the 1G DSMlink sitting on my desk waiting to go in the car once I finish my rebuild. Can't wait.

Maybe this should be it's own thread or maybe you could start one, but I was curious as to how the 1G DSMLink architecture is laid out. IE, it plugs into the EPROM socket, but does it use and modify a chip on the daughterboard or a chip image inside the unit?

My point is this: I've got a chip image I like with the fuel and timing maps I like. I'd prefer to use DSMLink just to change the WOT load line in the fuel and timing maps. The screenshots just show what appears to be an across the board rpm vs fuel and rpm vs timing, not rpm vs fuel vs load and rpm vs timing vs load. I don't mind that as I could always make my WOT runs on Tuesday night and then Wednesday morning make map changes to the chip and reset the DSMLink back to zero adjustment. I'm not crazy about the stock maps especially with their timing and AF oddities.

The obvious goal is like what the Ford guys have had for years and now the SRT guys have with their Stage 2 w/Toys kit: several maps at the switch of a button, or as my SRT buddy says, "that instant 20HP button" (the race gas maps).

So how's it work? And are you using it on a 60-1?

 

[gimmie11s]

No problem. Personally, I just got tired with the part-throttle tuning issues and fighting with timing with all the chips and piggy backs. I have the 1G DSMlink sitting on my desk waiting to go in the car once I finish my rebuild. Can't wait.

You have to tell us how that goes!

 

[sweet97]

Why are you going to worry about the rs60t when you start reving to 8000 grand ? What does it matter if you rev to 7000 or 10,000k, your turbocharger won't know the difference.
This thread has gone so far over analyzed it's not even funny. You should have plenty of injector with 650's for what your trying to accomplish. If you do max them out find out the reason why before slapping some 1300cc injectors to bandaid the problem.

Hey how ya' feelin? You look like you got your wish old ex- wisemen.

Poor choice of grammar. It would be the motor I would be worrying about whan I rev to 8000 RPM's. As for the injetors I do not know if the 650's will be enough or not. If I max them out I will upgrade them. It would be great if i did not need larger injectors. The problem would be an IDC near 100% that would require a larger injector. The thread has offed a lot of good info as some have ben able to run 650's without any trouble. Mark

 

[music4life]

So how many FWD guys are running a 60-1? I can't decide on either a 50 trim or bigger. Personal experiences from FWD guys (or girls) would be great!.

 

[gimmie11s]

By the way I never mentioned some dudes cousin's father did such and such one time. Check with gimme 11's about that one.

and what exactly is that supposed to mean? my experiences are with ME. what dont you understand? If you are talking about my comments regarding buschur and mike rizzotti, well you really must be new to this thing called DSM's if you dont know who they are or what they have accomplished. i am not related to any of them.

when i give opinions, they come from my own personal experience. they are drawn from things I have learned in the 8 or so years ive been doing this.


this is for you....its not my uncles cousins nephews car....ITS MINE

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[diambo4life]

Nice one Dominick. :laugh:

TMizer, I will get some info. once I start playing with the damn thing. My car's still under the knife. There's alot of good info. and feedback in the DSMLink forums so I know this will be fun.

Alex, ummmm...wtf happened with you been stripped off the title? Of course, that only happens to people who give REAL info. and are helpful to the ill-informed.


Footnotes: 650cc's will be enough for the 60-1.

 

[DSMu4ia]

So how many FWD guys are running a 60-1? I can't decide on either a 50 trim or bigger. Personal experiences from FWD guys (or girls) would be great!.

60-1 is a nice FWD turbo.

Mine sees some boost at 3500-4000, and really starts to fly at about 5k.

 

[biglady112]

Well, I trapped 124mph at 5800ft with 447awhp(corrected). Et was off, 12.2. This was on a VPC/GCC car. I had a flow bench proved 680cc injectors. Needless to say at 25psi on the 60-1 they were at 122%idc. This is what the logger was reading. Fuel pressure was 42psi base.

Personally, I will never run an injector that small again. Its more for peace of mind than anything. Yes others can and have gone fast with smallish flow rates. But, I am not trying to risk hours of work and thousands of dollars just because I can run something.

I run RC Engineering 1600cc injectors right now. Dsmlink handles them just fine. Car even gets 22-25mpg in town. Car idles like a top. So bottom linem, things have been done with small flow rates, it comes back to personal preference. Oh yea, have a flow sheet for my injectors, they definitely flow 1600cc. More fuel is just safe. Run what you feel comfortable with and can control.

Steven

 

[sweet97]

You don't have to stop posting, heck get some of the guys who have had bad 60-1's from AGP post their issues. The 60-1 is my second turbo from AGP, the first being an RS49. The Bullseye turbine is what sealed the deal for me as I think it's a great housing. I have read where the PTE turbo's are junk, don't know as I have never had one, just relaying what I have read. Only time will tell if I have a problem. I am on top of maintainence with my motor and perhaps some were not. I get my feed oil from the oil filter housing through a -4an line. It is filtered again at the fitting on the center section. I can see where this could get clogged and cause minimal oil to get to cool the 360* thrust bearing. That will require some extra work at oil change time. I appreciate the heads up but am surprised that a turbo that has only been advertised for 6 weeks would be dropping all over the place regardless of the boost.
By the way whose turbo do you use? What size injectors?
My comment on strokers was from a very good source and was a bit disturbing as I wanted to do a 2.3 with my 6 bolt rebuild. PEACE !! Mark

 

[sweet97]

Bob the RST series have only been available for about 6 weeks. I will get a hold of Ben at AGP and try to see what's up. I got one and it is my second AGP turbo, love th turbine housings. Mark

 

[sweet97]

Tough to gt feedback on a product that has only been available for 2 months. I emailed BEN at AGP, call him. Why would they wnt to sell turbo's with a 1 year warranty knowing they were faulty? There is less than a week left on the sale. I have an email from Ben here stating that and an answer to a question i had for him. Mark

 

[91gvr4]

I ordered my agp rs series turbo last week, i would love to see Ben come on here and clear some things up on this topic.

 

[91gvr4]

Amen, now could you please get my turbo to me faster!!! :laugh:

 

[Ben K]

Amen, no could you please get my turbo to me faster!!! :laugh:

Working on it. We sold A LOT of these from the first batch. I'm just waiting on another shipment from Turbonetics.

 

[98TsiAWD]

Deleted all the BS, since we should probly keep it offline.

 

[Slowboy]

A 16G is NOT going to put down 400AWHP on a DSM. I don't care what SBR's car dynoed. I agree with you though, A 60-1 should (and has) put down 500+AWHP on a DSM with no difficulty.

Sure it can.... numbers do not lie diambo4life, I would venture to say an EVO III 16g can put down as much as 420-430 WHP if given some more time tuning on the dyno. The fact is , we did 400.3 at only 19-20 PSI breaking in a 7.5:1 compression 2.3L on the dyno, with a SAFC and GM maf, and "gasp" a stock intake manifold.

With regards to the 60-1, Nate was running out of gas around the 500 WHP mark with his, we switched to 750's and all is well. Nate was running a 2.0L motor and I believe he made 513 WHP on a 60-1 in his FWD... Cool car, but he switched to an AWD car now and makes a bit more power.

I do agree with your 60-1 statement, even if it is the first thing we have agreed on in some time.

MGH

 

[diambo4life]

Wow! Thanks Mike for your insight! When you DO run and get numbers at the track with the 430AWHP EVO-16G powered DSM, please, submit the timeslip so we can all see it. Till then...

Have a lovely day.