60-1 users, what supporting mods?

[paul s]

my airflow comp is up around 6% as I have no lower H/C in the maf..

 

[Victory]

Hey all,

A customer of mine running a VPE 60-1 Turbo we built for him has just completed his car and had it dyno'd last last week. Mods are as follows:
2.4L w/ Wiseco and Eagle (6-bolt)
FP-3 Cams (Started with the largest Web cams, sucked)
VPE Springs and retainers
VPE FMIC Intercooler
3" exhaust
VPE O2 housing
AEM Stand alone (Switzer tuned)
2G ported Exhaust manifold

Dyno Jet AWD

Pump gas 93 Octane @ 20lbs boost
411 HP

C-16 Race gas @ 28 to 30lbs boost
509 HP
Approx. 460 torque

Full boost at 4300 rpm

Customer says the car is a blast and extremely fast. We plan to make changes to the car eventually but for now he just wants to enjoy it. Future plans include larger turbo and tubular exhaust manifold. The dyno graphs and Tym Switzer indicated the turbo was running out of air, which is OK because the customer hit the goals he was looking for.

Scott

 

[gimmie11s]

full boost at 4300 rpm with a 2.4? i see full boost by around 4200 on my 60-1 with a 2.0

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

full boost at 4300 rpm with a 2.4? i see full boost by around 4200 on my 60-1 with a 2.0

Yes buddy. Looks like your stupidity is all over this forum. Spool up vs. RPM has WAAAYYYY more then just displacement. The exhaust housing makes way more of a difference then displacement plus you have to factor cams, manifold, CR, IC size and routing.Its like comparing your knowledge of DSM's to a vacume cleaner......well bad example, a vacume also sucks . He is probably running an .82ar exhaust housing vs. your .63 most likely......

Ps- What turbo are you running......just yesterday you were a 50 trim- now your a 60-1 runner. Sniff....Sniff.....I smell a BSer.
Matthew

 

[gimmie11s]

Yes buddy. Looks like your stupidity is all over this forum. Spool up vs. RPM has WAAAYYYY more then just displacement. The exhaust housing makes way more of a difference then displacement plus you have to factor cams, manifold, CR, IC size and routing.Its like comparing your knowledge of DSM's to a vacume cleaner......well bad example, a vacume also sucks . He is probably running an .82ar exhaust housing vs. your .63 most likely......

Ps- What turbo are you running......just yesterday you were a 50 trim- now your a 60-1 runner. Sniff....Sniff.....I smell a BSer.
Matthew

do you know how to read and comprehend the English language? I clearly stated in the last thread that ive personally run a 50 trim (Green), 16g, and a 60-1. Review my posts on the board you TOOL, ive been in just about every 60-1 thread with useful personal experiences... unlike the blasphemy you spew all over the place....

Also, compression ratio, unless largley varied, does not have much to do with spool up. When i switched from 7.8:1 to 9:1 the car was more responsive, but overall spool was not affected much. Now, if someone jumped from stock to 10 or 10.5:1, i would imagine that would be noticable.

IC rounting will have NOTHING to do with spoolup. Are you smart enough to realize that even when the car is OFF there is air in the pipes?? The turbo does not have to "spool up the IC pipes" per se, as there is already air taking up that space.

FWIW, my "knowledge of DSMs" is more than enough to make a T66 car run in the 10s at the very least.... thats much more than you can say with a 12.0@124....

good day.

 

[sweet97]

Please guys let's stick with facts, knowledge and be respectful, correcting misinformation and acknowledging mistakes when it's appropriate to do so. I have run the same turbo's, EVO, 50 trim, 60-1 and now a Holset. I still need to get my motor to reach it's potential and the info I glean here is improtant.
My needs are BOV and possibly FMIC upgrade. Looking at a TIAL. We are talking some big numbers here and 25+ is common with this turbo.
Question as to FMIC efficiency as this thread was originally the mods a large turbo would need. What should a GOOD FMIC bring the temp of the charge air to above ambient temps? 50* above ambient, better than that? Anyone do any testing? I bought a temp gauge, not yet installed but will have the sending unit in the TB elbow and am curious as to what I should expect from my FMIC.
The Spearco 2-221 flows a lot, 1080CFM at 1.5psi drop but may not be efficient enough to cool a large charge from these large turbo's. Thanks, mark

 

[DSM90AWD]

Question as to FMIC efficiency as this thread was originally the mods a large turbo would need. What should a GOOD FMIC bring the temp of the charge air to above ambient temps? 50* above ambient, better than that? Anyone do any testing? I bought a temp gauge, not yet installed but will have the sending unit in the TB elbow and am curious as to what I should expect from my FMIC.
The Spearco 2-221 flows a lot, 1080CFM at 1.5psi drop but may not be efficient enough to cool a large charge from these large turbo's. Thanks, mark

Mark, check out the update I posted HERE for thoughts on the effectiveness of the Top/Bottom cores.

In sum:
At 25psi a 78% efficient compressor will increase 80F inlet air to ~313F.
That's alot of hot air to be cooled by a ~65% efficient Core.

 

[sweet97]

Thanks for the link John. I have suspected the IC is the problem wioth the power I seem to be lacking. Sounds like a winter project will be researching and installing a new FMIC. mark

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

IC routing will have NOTHING to do with spool up. Are you smart enough to realize that even when the car is OFF there is air in the pipes?? The turbo does not have to "spool up the IC pipes" per sa, as there is already air taking up that space.

Not very smart. Its the volume of air that the intercooler pipes have to house. Example- If you run 3" Ic pipe vs. a 2" there is more air to have to compress do to the more volume. what takes longer to fill up.....a beach ball or your blow up doll? obviously the beach ball. And they both started with the same amount of air in them....hence atmospheric pressure. It takes longer to fill up A larger/ longer IC piping slowing down the "spool up" of the turbo.
Matthew

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

FWIW, my "knowledge of DSMs" is more than enough to make a T66 car run in the 10s at the very least.... thats much more than you can say with a 12.0@124....

good day.

It doesn't take knowledge to understand for the SIXTH time I will tell you the 12.0 was not T66 equipped.............. knowledge is mostly common sense with facts to back it up....you have neither. Please prove me wrong.....run your 60-1 on pump and your afc......See what times you can get!!!!!

Matthew

 

[herostar]

I'm now running Wiseco 8.8:1 pistons, eagle rods, 4g64 crank, 680cc injectors, fmic, fuel stuff, safc, exhaust, 3" intake, mbc, 20psi