60-1 users, what supporting mods?

[sweet97]

I got my balance shaft "kit" from www.jnztuning.com. Its not actually a kit, but its OEM mitsu parts. It came with the stubby shaft that replaces the rear balance shaft, 2 new bearings for the front balance shaft, and an OEM plug to plug up the hole for the front balance shaft. Also for another 4 bucks, I got a crank spacer that took up the room where the old balance shaft gear was on the crank.

Honestly, I think you should get bigger injectors and tune for 24psi on pump gas. 20psi just doesn't seem to be in the efficiency range of a turbo that large. Might as well have kept that rs49 you sold me

I'm going to run 780's on that turbo with keydiver chip. I suggest selling yours and picking up some larger injectors. Turn up the boost and be fast.

Drew I will have 112 leaded avaiable to me or 100 unleaded. Besides the 60-1 flows a lot of air at low boost levels yet can be run at 30 PSI. 20 psi will be fine for the 60-1 wheel. Remember I am building a 6 bolt which will be capable of handling 25+ PSI and when I pass you I will say good-bye! Just said that because it ryhmes! looking foreward to 6/4/05. I do need an EPROM ECU so I can get a keydiver myself as DSMlink is probably over myhead. Problem is where can I find a refurbished, socketed ECU? Mark

PS: My 60-1 is scheduled for delivery tomorrow!

 

[BrokenTsi]

, sounds good Mark. Cant wait to smoke you, I mean see your car in a few months.

Me, you, and Alex will have a little shootout this summer. 60-1 vs 50trims

 

[miragetbo1997cc]

So 660's and a 60-1 are a no go?

 

[anconover]

youll end up trying for more than 20psi. Nothing below 25psi on pump on my 50trim keeps me happy =p And i wouldnt use anything smaller t han 750's on a 60-1 myself.

 

[gimmie11s]

So 660's and a 60-1 are a no go?

I went 11.6@121 with 650s on my 60-1 launching easy on only 25 psi. theres a lot more MPH with more boost.

650s are fine in my opinion. on pump, i run 19 psi all day long with no more than 5-6 counts of knock on occasion.

60-1>50 trim

 

[sweet97]

I went 11.6@121 with 650s on my 60-1 launching easy on only 25 psi. theres a lot more MPH with more boost.

650s are fine in my opinion. on pump, i run 19 psi all day long with no more than 5-6 counts of knock on occasion.

60-1>50 trim

Well I will have to make my 660's work until I can find a good EPROM ECU and get a keydiver chip. The MAFT will not adjust well to much larger than the 660's. Hoping the AFPR will help some. How about the rest of your mods Gimmie 11's?
And Alex you are right about wanting more than 20 psi and that;s why I am trying to find someone capable of rebuilding a 6 bolt I have for less than the cost of a small block Chevy! Still looking. jacksonsautomachine has a nice CNC ported head---$2000.!!! i started a thread looking for someone who can do the job and do it right the first time.

 

[UPGRADED2G]

650s on a 60-1 @ 11.6 @25 psi is kinda on the edge, incredible if you ask me? You must be one hell of a tuner or know someone who is. Congratulations on that run. I'm yet to know what it feels like to go below 14.2...

 

[diambo4life]

I went 11.6@121 with 650s on my 60-1 launching easy on only 25 psi. theres a lot more MPH with more boost.

650s are fine in my opinion. on pump, i run 19 psi all day long with no more than 5-6 counts of knock on occasion.

60-1>50 trim

Damn Dom! The car seems to be hauling more than ever. Good job and TURN UP the boost! Gimme 10's is in order.

 

[gimmie11s]

650s on a 60-1 @ 11.6 @25 psi is kinda on the edge, incredible if you ask me? You must be one hell of a tuner or know someone who is. Congratulations on that run. I'm yet to know what it feels like to go below 14.2...

dont be fooled by people who insist on big injectors! Race gas will take your injectors a hell of a lot farther than you might imagine....now if your talking pump gas, thats a different story

The tune on my car is simple. Remember that staying as close to the way the car came from the factory electronic wise is a good thing. Getting too far away (chipped ECU + Maf-T + AFC + crazy fuel pressure, etc etc) from what the computer knows will make the car idle, cruise, and generally run at part throttle like shit... all at the expense of full throttle performance. For the most part, the ECU needs to see the correct airflow signal in order to alot the proper maps. Obviously you can play with that, but dont get too far away.

i run a 2G maf (w/only the main honeycomb, and screw all the way in), an AFC, and a fuel pressure regulator. Thats how i tune my car.

 

[gimmie11s]

Damn Dom! The car seems to be hauling more than ever. Good job and TURN UP the boost! Gimme 10's is in order.

hahahahaha... whats going on bud? whats new? who else has moved over this board? i saw erik but thats about it.

10-4 on more boost! the ol 60-1 isnt happy until 30+ psi. i cant wait for that. im gonna have to dust off the Hallman manual controller and put it back to duty. you still running the falkens? i am enjoying mine. check out my gallery... i have a couple pics of the new setup in there...

-d

 

[anconover]

Mark. Bravo's here in rome wants about 500$ for all the machining and assembly of the shortblock. Might have been a little less depending on what you want to do with it but. I dont have any personal experience with em, and quite frankly i dont trust a single machine shop in the area whatsoever but if you give them the exact specs u want i think they SHOULD be able to handle it. He says he can get a torque plate too. Dont bother with jackson auto.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Gimme11s - what setup are you running?

 

[Steve93Talon]

I know someone who ran an RS60 and 660s and went 11.3 @ 127. He was able to run 25 psi on pump gas, too. Tort has gone 11.0 @ 123 on 550s. I'm sick of all these people saying to get 750s on a friggin 16g or 50 trim

 

[sweet97]

dont be fooled by people who insist on big injectors! Race gas will take your injectors a hell of a lot farther than you might imagine....now if your talking pump gas, thats a different story

The tune on my car is simple. Remember that staying as close to the way the car came from the factory electronic wise is a good thing. Getting too far away (chipped ECU + Maf-T + AFC + crazy fuel pressure, etc etc) from what the computer knows will make the car idle, cruise, and generally run at part throttle like shit... all at the expense of full throttle performance. For the most part, the ECU needs to see the correct airflow signal in order to alot the proper maps. Obviously you can play with that, but dont get too far away.

i run a 2G maf (w/only the main honeycomb, and screw all the way in), an AFC, and a fuel pressure regulator. Thats how i tune my car.

What do you tune for, no or little knock at 19PSIon pump? What is your A/F ratio? What adjustment on the afc at WOT? I have an EGT, wideband, MAF-T and a Scanmaster.
I will be tuning for nomore than a knock sum of 7 and go fromthere. If I can run 19-20 on pump with the 660's I will be happy. I do believe larger injectors will be needed down the road,maybe 720 or 750's to run higher boost on pump. Mark

 

[slvrstingray]

60-1 stage 3, with .82 AR. 272 cams, Haltec and 720cc inj. w/20 psi. stock internals made 403 HP to the wheels.

 

[anconover]

Why are you sick of people getting large injectors? In PTE's case, theyre injectors can be had for the same price, no matter the size. If you have means of controlling them correctly, why settle for something smaller? Price isnt an issue, nor means of tuning. Go big enough to where you wont have to ever worry IMO. But im not sure why what other people are doing should affect you either.

Personally id try to tune for 5 or less counts of knock. Once the knock count is high enough and you start pulling timing thats no good. You should not have a problem running 19psi on 660's on pump. Dont forget you can alwas bump up the base fuel pressure too. @25psi on pump i tuned for 4 counts or less.

 

[sweet97]

60-1 stage 3, with .82 AR. 272 cams, Haltec and 720cc inj. w/20 psi. stock internals made 403 HP to the wheels.

Silvrstingray you must have at least another 100HP in that motor. The 272's and the large .82 A/R would be better off with 25+ psi. Did you ever try a run with ace fuel? What are your tuning tools? I need to learn what I can in 6 weeks. I have ANCONOVER buildng me a custom 3" exhaust to replace my 2.5" left from my EVO 16G. SBR hit 400HP with the EVO. I would expect a 60-1 to do 500HP fairly easily. Please share your tuning and why/how tyou went with a .82 A/R. Thanks, Mark
PS: I got my 60-1 today. I will mount it soon once Alex has mt exhaust almost finishec. Lookin foreward to the 60-1, Walbro, AFPR, Spearco 2-221 and 3" exhaust, all winter additions, along with a true ColdAirIntake that should help keep the turbo outlet temps down a good 50* I hope! mark

 

[diambo4life]

..you still running the falkens? i am enjoying mine. check out my gallery... i have a couple pics of the new setup in there...

-d

Yup.... still running them HARD with the car on jackstands since November. :laugh: Should be up and running soon with some "goodies." Glad to see the car running strong with the 60-1. Some of the guys are lurking at www.4g63talk.com in case you didn't know. Later, and keep those ET's dropping - want to see some 10's this year.

-Checked out the gallery. Car's looking fresh - I like the color.

 

[slvrstingray]

Silvrstingray you must have at least another 100HP in that motor. The 272's and the large .82 A/R would be better off with 25+ psi. Did you ever try a run with ace fuel? What are your tuning tools? I need to learn what I can in 6 weeks. I have ANCONOVER buildng me a custom 3" exhaust to replace my 2.5" left from my EVO 16G. SBR hit 400HP with the EVO. I would expect a 60-1 to do 500HP fairly easily. Please share your tuning and why/how tyou went with a .82 A/R. Thanks, Mark
PS: I got my 60-1 today. I will mount it soon once Alex has mt exhaust almost finishec. Lookin foreward to the 60-1, Walbro, AFPR, Spearco 2-221 and 3" exhaust, all winter additions, along with a true ColdAirIntake that should help keep the turbo outlet temps down a good 50* I hope! mark

My mistake! The 403 hp run was made with 28 lbs of boost and race gas. The car had Jun cam gears, ARP head studs, a thcker metal head gasket, and valve spings also. Otherwise, everything else was stock in the block. The reason for the .82 A/R housing was for drag and Top end Horsepower but the setup was very laggy. I went back to the .63 A/R housing so i could get more of my midrange power back. This was about 1 1/2 years ago. We were using the old school way of tuning. Using a Dyno, EGT, A/F guage, and pocket logger to monitor the car.

 

[sweet97]

I must be missing something. I would think that 28PSI on race would =503HP. I have a fomula that says BHP=10.86x(lbs/min). If it is correct then 403Hp meant you were flowing 37lbs/min when a 60-1 has the potential of 60lbs/min. An EVO 16G flows 38lbs/min. Do you remember what cc inj's you were running? Mark

 

[dsmrunaway1]

yea man he def makes me feel like garbage...knowing that all those mods only put down 403 to the wheels....i just got my scm61, 272's, safc, fpr, smim, and a lot of other bolt on mods....pretty much everything...besides aem and bottom end....on race gas i was hoping to put down 500whp plus...im fwd 2 so it should be easier...

 

[sweet97]

Something wrong there. 403HP with the mods he had is 16G territory. He did say it was some time ago so memory may have gotten somethong wrong. The 60-1 should easily do 500HP with proper mods. Mark

 

[dsmrunaway1]

500 hp on race gas...or 500 on pump....i better see 500whp on c16 at like w/e boost i can run....28...29...will see though

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

I ordered my AGP RS60T today. Won't be running for another few weeks while I get everything installed, but I'll be sure to let everyone know where I'm at along the way.

 

[diambo4life]

403HP with the mods he had is 16G territory.

A 16G putting down 403HP to the wheels? You guys need to be a little serious.