20g?

[WES_393]

How many threads are you going to start beating around the same bush? Get the correct supporting mods, or get rid of the 20g.

 

[aJaayyee]

How many threads are you going to start beating around the same bush? Get the correct supporting mods, or get rid of the 20g.

bro, shut up thanks. im asking for help. i will make a thread until i understand the answer. if you dont like the way i learn, then dont read my threads. remember my name and dont click on it. thanks.

if the 20g is as bad for the engine as you say it is, it kind of makes me think that it isnt even a 20g in there. im gonna have to talk to him and get those receipts to be sure. because according to him he's had it for almost 2 years and running the same way.. hmm

 

[jayson427]

You're not supposed to disrespect Wiseman dude. These guys make the site worth being on, I can't thank them enough for devoting their time for free. And he is right you have made 3 different threads based on the same subject.

Take pictures of the turbo then post the serial numbers and we can tell you what it is.

 

[koafallenangel]

TSicktalon

Uhh yes, We just put this setup in my buddies GSX and obviously he has Wideband you cant use Link without it. I dont even have wideband or Link and im on 16lbs solid.

99ECLIPSEGSXDSM

You know what bro you should know that it is possible to run 30lbs on pump. we got an Evo who runs 44lbs on pump. just because you cant maybe you both should learn to build your DSM better before you run your mouth.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

TSicktalon

Uhh yes, We just put this setup in my buddies GSX and obviously he has Wideband you cant use Link without it. I dont even have wideband or Link and im on 16lbs solid.

99ECLIPSEGSXDSM

You know what bro you should know that it is possible to run 30lbs on pump. we got an Evo who runs 44lbs on pump. just because you cant maybe you both should learn to build your DSM better before you run your mouth.

44 lbs on straight pump wow thats funny. Go ahead and run 44lbs on pump gas but dont come back and ask us why you need a new motor.

Shut my mouth and learn to build my dsm... Coming from a guy with an evo3 16g running 16lbs, 272s, stock injectors, no tuning device or a WIDEBAND (even tho your profile says you have a wideband which makes me believe that you probably don't have any of the mods listed in your profile) and one of the most riced out cars I've seen in awhile. YEAH I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO BUILD MY CAR.

What's up with all these noobs thinking they know everything and disrespecting people that have been around when they are trying to help them out? On pump gas alone I know they arnt running 30lbs let a lone 44lbs. I haven't really seen a Dsm run anything over 25 on pump which is usually 93oct or less. The only way to run that much boost with pump gas is to run a meth kit with it or something to cool down intake temps... Why? Because of knock. Want me to give you a lesson on knock or do you already know everything there is about cars?

 

[koafallenangel]

99ECLIPSEGSXDSM

Just because you cant build a mean street car to run daily so dont talk. We dont build garage babies. We run pump gas all day running 30lbs. do some research, there is many DSMs who run stock fuel setups pushing over 20lbs easy. The innovate isnt hooked up yet as I just got completed with a full engine rebuild and I mean everything. Dont call my car a riceburner when you ant even build yours to run 30lbs on pump. As for the Evo hes got the right supporting mods for 44lbs and is on the cover of street pulse magazine. When you get on the cover let me know otherwise go back to building your turd. I live in hawaii and have to pay almost 3x what you do so lets see you build half of my DSM here. If I lived there Id be running circle around you. Oh and as for the knock you use the DSM to pull back timing to eliminate knock. You dont even have a tuner yourself so how can you talk when you don't know?

Oh and since you don't the kit lightens my car and the wing improves the downforce. Yes its two tone and its for a reason. Im known as Panda. Plus a paintjob here runs about 3 grand. Id rather put that into my motor thank you.

Oh and since you don't know the kit lightens my car and the wing improves the downforce. Yes its two tone and its for a reason. Im known as Panda. Plus a paintjob here runs about 3 grand. Id rather put that into my motor thank you.

Im here to help. You wanted to run your mouth first. We succeded with this setup thats why I wrote to let him know its or I wouldnt have said anything. I dont give advice if Ive never done it or seen it with my own eyes..

Theres your problem you got a dinkie T28 of im not mistaken thats one up from stock. And all my buddies who tune with Link say Lite doesnt tune past 20lbs so thats why. Your fuel setup with that turbo is just wasting gas.. Ironic you call me a noob when my car is more efficient. You dont even have a big turbo how can you give advice on one. Seems you belong in a Honda..

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

"We run pump gas all day running 30lbs. do some research, there is many DSMs who run stock fuel setups pushing over 20lbs easy."

"We"? You mean your friends? You can't run 20lbs on a stock Dsm fuel system. You'll hit fuel cut.

"Don't call my car a riceburner when you ant even build yours to run 30lbs on pump."

I'm not because you cant... Riceburner

"As for the Evo hes got the right supporting mods for 44lbs and is on the cover of street pulse magazine."

That's nice that he got on a magazine but he's not running 44lbs on pump gas. Maybe e86 or with a meth kit. Sounds like the classic "my buddy's car or I know a guy that does..."

"When you get on the cover let me know otherwise go back to building your turd."

When I do ill make sure I have all my friends spread the and brag for me.

"I live in hawaii and have to pay almost 3x what you do so lets see you build half of my DSM here."

If you're gonna complain about paying more then you should probably move.

"If I lived there Id be running circle around you."

That wing must really help with those circles you're gonna be taking.

"Oh and as for the knock you use the DSM to pull back timing to eliminate knock. You dont even have a tuner yourself so how can you talk when you don't know?"

Reread my profile please.

"Oh and since you don't the kit lightens my car and the wing improves the downforce. Yes its two tone and its for a reason. Im known as Panda. Plus a paintjob here runs about 3 grand. Id rather put that into my motor thank you."

Lighten the car because the stock parts are so freaking heavy you need to rice it out to run maybe a high 14 second 1/4. Downforce? Lets put a big ugly wing on the back of fwd car that can't even be tuned because you need it. Makes sense I guess

"Just because you cant build a mean street car to run daily so dont talk. We dont build garage babies."

Lol yeah because I have a garage to park it in and I baby mine all the time. I bet I beat the piss out I my car more then you do and I autocross my car.

 

[koafallenangel]

One last thing my buddy is from PA and is in Boosted inc, go youtube it and get back to me.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

I'm not wasting my time because you probably don't really know him or you've met him once.

But I'm out. You have a great day!

 

[aJaayyee]

You're not supposed to disrespect Wiseman dude. These guys make the site worth being on, I can't thank them enough for devoting their time for free. And he is right you have made 3 different threads based on the same subject.

Take pictures of the turbo then post the serial numbers and we can tell you what it is.

It's been 2 different subjects and I got different answers both times.

 

[koafallenangel]

Whatever bro we can argue all day long Ill run my setup everyday pushing what I push You can autocross your heart out. You obviously dont know anything. Every DSM here is running on pump. no meth kit needed. It helps if you want to spend that money to help support the motor. DSM Link v3 Full will allow us to run 20lbs with stock fuel system all day. You have to have a good tune. Im going with 650cc and 255 pump later. Im not going to limit my power because of fuel, Im telling you its possible. I dont have to talk about the Evo because we seen it run on the dyno with pump gas so you dont have to believe me I dont give a rip. Coming from a guy with a small turbo you obviously cant reach anywhere close to 30lbs because you cant even tune it right. With Link v3 and wideband you can make the pump has work. My buddy is in Boosted Inc you heard of them? If you do youll know where in PA they are located. Everyone has their own taste with their car so dont cut on mine because you prefer stock, maybe you an afford it i don't know. For one its not cheap and two it was the first build i put a kit on. I dont build my cars the same. Its a nice look and anyweight loss makes my car faster so suck it.

oh and my buddy is sitting right next to me watching we're the millers. run your little turd go on have a nice day scrub.


back to the topic AJAAYYEE if you have wideband and Link you can run the 20g with the stock pump and injectors. if you want to change them by all means everyone is entitle to their own opinions and builds. I know it works and seen it because i put my hand into putting it together. Don't take advice from a guy who has a small turbo and obviously cant tune to run pump gas.

 

[aJaayyee]

All I'm trying to do is find out what's best. I know next to nothing and I don't wanna mess anything up.
Before I asked if I could run 680cc injectors without a tune. Then I asked something about tuning and now I'm asking about a turbo. 3 different questions and different answers every time.
Him saying "get the supporting mods or get rid of the 20g" doesn't help. The other people actually helped me so as far as I'm concerned wiseman are mean

But I think I got what I was looking for.

 

[GofaST4life]

Yes its two tone and its for a reason. Im known as Panda. Plus a paintjob here runs about 3 grand.

I don't think you know what a Panda DSM is...

This is a Panda DSM....

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This is rice....

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Now go look at your "downforced FWD car" and tell me which one it resembles.

The first stage of Rice is always denial.

Theres your problem you got a dinkie T28 of im not mistaken thats one up from stock. And all my buddies who tune with Link say Lite doesnt tune past 20lbs so thats why. Your fuel setup with that turbo is just wasting gas.. Ironic you call me a noob when my car is more efficient. You dont even have a big turbo how can you give advice on one. Seems you belong in a Honda..

Do you know ANYTHING about turbos? "dinkie T28"? Go read up. The t28 is one of the best upgrades for a AutoX/Streetable DSM.

Better yet, look at some dyno results for this turbo. Last time I checked 300+ hp was only "slightly" above stock.

DSM Dyno Challenge - T28

Lite doesn't tune past 20lbs? Are you on crack?



All your buddies this, all your buddies that...

back to the topic AJAAYYEE if you have wideband and Link you can run the 20g with the stock pump and injectors.

The stock fuel pump in our cars and our stock injectors WILL NOT run that turbo efficiently. You are giving the OP more misinformation than anyone in this thread.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

Lite doesn't tune past 20lbs? Are you on crack?

All your buddies this, all your buddies that...

Lol he does live in Hawaii so I wouldn't put it passed him.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

bro, shut up thanks. im asking for help. i will make a thread until i understand the answer.

That is not how this works. Research first. Being spoon fed this information and leaving you with the impression that you just need to bust out the credit card and throw parts at the problem is not going to help.

First word of advice - don't listen to this koafallenangel moron, and disregard your family mechanic.

Something to consider is that if you can't even figure out how to provide the amount of fuel to support a fairly pedestrian 48lb/min turbo like a 20G (not 48psi.. again should not have to distinguish between these two concepts) you have no business making such major modifications to your car yet.

Take a few months and study like a test is coming up. In the end you will save money, time and will be in a better position to learn how to tune.

You may disagree or take offense, whatever, but when you get to where many of us are and have a well sorted running car.. you'll be thankful.

I don't see where you even listed any goals for this car.. why did you settle on a 20G? What are you trying to achieve? As a hint.. 650s/680s would not be enough to let you take full advantage of a 20G.

 

[ozrallyE9]

Grab a wideband and dont get boost happy. You should be okay.

 

[koafallenangel]

Let me educate you fools. if you think a t28 is a good turbo by all means. it maxes at 350 at the most and thats generous. an evo big 16g supports 450 easily. it might be good for autocrap but dont rip when the turbos cant be compared to in power. second take a good look at my picture, its not a 95'GsT so you obviously dont know what my car looks like because its a Spyder you idiot. it actually looks exactly the same but silver instead of white. I wanted the picture with my girlfriend on it but that is not your business. You so sure your t28 can beat an evo 16g bring your car to hawaii and lets prove your faster. Your car with that small turbo wont get close to 500hp hell probably not even close to 400.

 

[aJaayyee]

That is not how this works. Research first. Being spoon fed this information and leaving you with the impression that you just need to bust out the credit card and throw parts at the problem is not going to help.

First word of advice - don't listen to this koafallenangel moron, and disregard your family mechanic.

Something to consider is that if you can't even figure out how to provide the amount of fuel to support a fairly pedestrian 48lb/min turbo like a 20G (not 48psi.. again should not have to distinguish between these two concepts) you have no business making such major modifications to your car yet.

Take a few months and study like a test is coming up. In the end you will save money, time and will be in a better position to learn how to tune.

You may disagree or take offense, whatever, but when you get to where many of us are and have a well sorted running car.. you'll be thankful.

I don't see where you even listed any goals for this car.. why did you settle on a 20G? What are you trying to achieve? As a hint.. 650s/680s would not be enough to let you take full advantage of a 20G.

I said I just bought this car. I didn't choose anything and I have no goals yet. I'm still trying to get used to it. And again. My only question was if it is safe to run this way or not. I have my answer. Didn't ask about much else. Might delete this thread. It's barely about the subject anymore. And the "family mechanic" built this car

 

[koafallenangel]

LandSpeed

Just because you guys cant get a 20g to work with a stock fuel setup that doesnt make me a moron. Its a good tune that makes it possible. I know you need to upgrade the pump and injectors because itll limit your power. He if it was possible and here me and my friend has done so yet everyone cant believe it. Just because yall dont know doesnt give you the right to cut me.down. Youtube it. Its been done. Talk the trash you want ignorance is bliss. you dont know what you havent tried. you really underestimate the power of a stock 4g63t.

GoSlow4Life

So you shut your mouth i will change my avatar to my GsT i didnt want to put a pic because i was doing body to.the roof so I have to redo the.black.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

LandSpeed

Just because you guys cant get a 20g to work with a stock fuel setup that doesnt make me a moron. Its a good tune that makes it possible. I know you need to upgrade the pump and injectors because itll limit your power. He if it was possible and here me and my friend has done so yet everyone cant believe it. Just because yall dont know doesnt give you the right to cut me.down. Youtube it. Its been done. Talk the trash you want ignorance is bliss. you dont know what you havent tried. you really underestimate the power of a stock 4g63t.

Read this.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/422900-things-not-do-14b-450s-boost-turned-up.html

Then read it again. Then shut the f*ck up.

A 14B is more than enough to max out the stock pump even with a re-wire, then with a bigger pump you still don't have enough injector.

A 20G will move 40% more air than a 14B.

This is reality, not trash talking. You are first and foremost, full of sh!t, as well as a weapons-grade moron.

 

[LandoAWD]

bro, shut up thanks. im asking for help.

You aren't following the simple rules to use the forum, you type like a child, and you get mad at someone who knows things about cars when you don't? Brilliant.

back to the topic AJAAYYEE if you have wideband and Link you can run the 20g with the stock pump and injectors. if you want to change them by all means everyone is entitle to their own opinions and builds. I know it works and seen it because i put my hand into putting it together. Don't take advice from a guy who has a small turbo and obviously cant tune to run pump gas.

I reported this post for sheer stupidity/misinformation. You obviously wear your ass as a hat, and you should really pipe down with the "my boy" nonsense and misinformation.

Your mod list is a JOKE for someone ragging on "small turbo" cars.

GTFO, kid.


Edit: Oh lord...I just saw what your car looks like, to boot. Please, PLEASE don't advise anyone on anything, EVER.

 

[aJaayyee]

You aren't following the simple rules to use the forum, you type like a child, and you get mad at someone who knows things about cars when you don't? Brilliant."

I don't get mad when somebody knows about cars when I don't. I know I don't know much but when I try and ask for help and you tell me things like I'm supposed to know them when I clearly said that I don't, it annoys me. Either you help or don't make me feel stupid. If you're gonna insult me for not knowing things atleast help me or don't post. And so far nobody is following the rules of this forum.

 

[LandoAWD]

I don't get mad when somebody knows about cars when I don't. I know I don't know much but when I try and ask for help and you tell me things like I'm supposed to know them when I clearly said that I don't, it annoys me. Either you help or don't make me feel stupid. If you're gonna insult me for not knowing things atleast help me or don't post. And so far nobody is following the rules of this forum.

Many have given you good advice. Post 2 covered it, and here we are...days later.

 

[koafallenangel]

You can send all the links you want to show me a car from a person who cant run a 14b it doesnt matter to me. All Im saying is there is a 20g running no problem with that stock fuel setup on pump gas. Also you shouldnt talk down about racers in Hawaii there is many quick and very competetive DSMers here that run very fast cars.

Mr Genesis thats not even a DSM you should talk. I offered advice to someone who asked if it was ok to run it and Im saying it is possible. peoplw who dont know run their mouth like childish kids. Also you drive a brand new car probably zero wrench time on it. I just fully rebuilt every little piece on my car so you have no right say anything. I prefer the smaller turbo because the fact its almost instant spool but it simply does not produce the hp needed to run under 10 in the 1/4. And this joke of a mod list would beat a stock genesis. you know how i know? i just ate it up last weekend at the tracks. Oh and remember this, i built my car, you bought yours.

ajaayyee

Long story short, if you want to run a 20g without changing the fuel, you need to get wideband and dsm link. if you.dont want that then a smaller turbo is preffered. but either way you have to do something. it sucks but thats the joy of building your car. hope that helps bro i didnt mean to argue but i guess by saying ive done it people dont believe me.

 

[LandoAWD]

You can send all the links you want to show me a car from a person who cant run a 14b it doesnt matter to me. All Im saying is there is a 20g running no problem with that stock fuel setup on pump gas. Also you shouldnt talk down about racers in Hawaii there is many quick and very competetive DSMers here that run very fast cars.

So 1 car runs good, in the opinion of an untrained nobody (you), and physics/mechanics are all out the window? Did you eat lead paint, or is this the result of too much Sbarro?

Mr Genesis thats not even a DSM you should talk. I offered advice to someone who asked if it was ok to run it and Im saying it is possible. peoplw who dont know run their mouth like childish kids. Also you drive a brand new car probably zero wrench time on it. I just fully rebuilt every little piece on my car so you have no right say anything. I prefer the smaller turbo because the fact its almost instant spool but it simply does not produce the hp needed to run under 10 in the 1/4. And this joke of a mod list would beat a stock genesis. you know how i know? i just ate it up last weekend at the tracks. Oh and remember this, i built my car, you bought yours.

Aww, your assumptions are cute. My car has wrench time AND mods, but who am I to talk to the guy that was going to "build the fastest NA car, but ran into some problems"? Cool BRAH.

My car isn't stock, and your car IS a joke. It could beat me by a bus length and I'd still laugh at that shitheap. Post some slips from the track, BRAH.

I forgot how not driving a DSM somehow negates 14+ years of ownership, reliable modding, and using quality parts. Thanks for the update, BRAH.