2G Will any AWD Manual transmission fit?

[TSITurbo95]

^ You "can" do just about anything, but it is half assing it, and will lead to destruction later down the road (if it last's that long)

 

[awzer2]

^ You "can" do just about anything, but it is half assing it, and will lead to destruction later down the road (if it last's that long)

Now, I want to know why it is not recommended.
I would like supportive information on to why it would lead to damage.
The most obvious answer would be no.
This is not a bullshit question either.
Replies?

 

[H@xtGSX]

It is likely the wheel will be off balance. Translate that vibration erratically down the crank shaft, into the clutch, etc, and I am pretty sure accelerated wear would be a best case scenario. There is a very good reason it is machined square like it is, and why it requires you to torque down each bolt to a specific number of ft/lbs. Rotating mass carries a lot of energy, and that one missing bolt will cause it to be off balance while it it rotating and that force will have to be absorbed somewhere... That's when the other surrounding parts start taking damage.

 

[my dreamt dsm]

Me personally I wouldn't go without it. I've been on 3 wheels studs on 4 lugs and 4 studs on 5 lugs. No noticeable difference.
But you have to think about all the power you feel when the clutch grabs for racing. Translate what you feel inside the car to that one bolt that is missing. That's a lot of shit going down.

 

[97gsxIA]

Do you have any idea the amount of energy/inertia a flywheel can hold? not to mention flywheels are bolted to your crank.. the heart of your motor. Heres the wikipedia for flywheels:

Flywheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theres some formulas at the bottom .. I'll let you do the math and then question whether or not you want to take a short cut with vital parts like a flywheel or crank

Also, just because you say it isn't a bullshit question doesnt mean you won't curl a few eyebrows when asking about something thats very obvious.

 

[95TalonOwner]

YES. Retap or helicoil that hole and do it right.

 

[awzer2]

Do you have any idea the amount of energy/inertia a flywheel can hold? not to mention flywheels are bolted to your crank.. the heart of your motor. Heres the wikipedia for flywheels:

Flywheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theres some formulas at the bottom .. I'll let you do the math and then question whether or not you want to take a short cut with vital parts like a flywheel or crank

Also, just because you say it isn't a bullshit question doesnt mean you won't curl a few eyebrows when asking about something thats very obvious.

Dont assume I'm going to Mickey mouse my crank. I'm simply asking WHY...
Chevy guy I know keeps saying just bolt it up and I want some stable proof as to why you can't just go doing shit like that to these cars or any car for that matter.

 

[mattasi]

I could see it throwing off the balance like someone above already said. To many things to go wrong with such an important piece. I know I wouldn't go without it.
I think it's time to heli-coil it while your already there.

 

[Finley95gst]

No, not a good idea!

 

[awzer2]

YES. Retap or helicoil that hole and do it right.

It is already halfway re tapped.. The beginning few threads were grinded from lose bolts.

 

[bryanwheat]

Dont assume I'm going to Mickey mouse my crank. I'm simply asking WHY...
Chevy guy I know keeps saying just bolt it up and I want some stable proof as to why you can't just go doing shit like that to these cars or any car for that matter.

The bolts are evenly spaced so that there is equal torque holding it all the way around. With a missing bolt you will not have equal pressure holding the flywheel to the crank which could lead to a failure. You don't seem to want to take advise though so do what you want.

 

[awzer2]

The bolts are evenly spaced so that there is equal torque holding it all the way around. With a missing bolt you will not have equal pressure holding the flywheel to the crank which could lead to a failure. You don't seem to want to take advise though so do what you want.

Chill out serious guy.

 

[H@xtGSX]

Think of it like this. Tie a string about the rough radius of the flywheel to one of those bolts and swing it around as fast as you can. You can feel it starts pulling fairly hard, and you can whip it out away from you very hard if you were to throw it... Now, if you were spinning it really fast, like 120 rpm, stick your hand in its path and catch it. It'll hit you pretty hard. Imagine that same force multiplied by 50, and you have an idea of the force it creates at 6000 rpm. Would you want anything in your motor that far out of balance? I wouldn't.

 

[pyanac711]

I wanna see the end results with it not bolted in

 

[awzer2]

Think of it like this. Tie a string about the rough radius of the flywheel to one of those bolts and swing it around as fast as you can. You can feel it starts pulling fairly hard, and you can whip it out away from you very hard if you were to throw it... Now, if you were spinning it really fast, like 120 rpm, stick your hand in its path and catch it. It'll hit you pretty hard. Imagine that same force multiplied by 50, and you have an idea of the force it creates at 6000 rpm. Would you want anything in your motor that far out of balance? I wouldn't.

Yeah just what I was thinking , does this relate to why the 7 bolt gets crank walk?I hear all sorts of different things from dsm people..
Some cat told me that the seventh bolt in the crank makes it unbalanced

I wanna see the end results with it not bolted in

Don't worry I'm installing my muffler fluid before I install my grade 30 flywheel nuts

 

[H@xtGSX]

Yeah just what I was thinking , does this relate to why the 7 bolt gets crank walk?



Don't worry I'm installing my muffler fluid before I install my grade 30 flywheel nuts

Don't forget to de-ice the air clutch.

Crank walk is more from lateral pressure along the crank shaft that is pushing on a thrust bearing. It wears out from things like clutch pressure being high and pushing on it. The bearing wears thin and then allows the crank to slide back and forth, which causes bad friction problems with the piston rods.

 

[volkerding95GSX]

Chill out serious guy.

In that case.... All you really need is one bolt on the flywheel.

Just make sure it's really tight!

 

[awzer2]

In that case.... All you really need is one bolt on the flywheel.

Just make sure it's really tight!

I'll just weld it on and use some super glue for extra support. Lol

Don't forget to de-ice the air clutch.

Crank walk is more from lateral pressure along the crank shaft that is pushing on a thrust bearing. It wears out from things like clutch pressure being high and pushing on it. The bearing wears thin and then allows the crank to slide back and forth, which causes bad friction problems with the piston rods.

Haha.
For show . Seen tons of videos with that left to right movement .alright everyone answered pretty well thanks

 

[Redslayer]

I personally wouldn't risk weakening such a key component as the flywheel, esp on an AWD car. Just imagine the force on that thing as you launch from a stop. Never mind that it would create an imbalance on a high revving engine, and more than likely cause uneven wear in all involved parts (which is a decent sized list packed with important and expensive parts o.o )

When it comes to crankshaft related parts, I wouldn't tempt fate. But I have **** luck.

 

[christ]

Don't fix it and buy a scatter shield instead.