Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[M4s73r]

Ok so before I get the whole "do a search and go read" responses allow me to inform that i have been reading pages for the last 9 hours and my brain is now fried. The hardest part of all this has been the change in technology since 2009. Had to stop and look at some of the dates on these threads. (PS ADMINS is there a way to filter out OLD ASS THREADS ).

On to my issue. I have been working on my car for the last couple of years, learning things building things and the least fun, breaking things. Just the other day I learned how to fix a hole in a aluminum radiator with a Aluminum flux core rod and blowtorch!!

I'm stuck on a couple of turbos.
I have the supporting mods for either one. 93oct with Meth(not installed till new turbo).

FP Red, PTE 6262, Garrett GT3071R.

I have been leaning toward the red for my purpose. I'm wanting to get into the 500-600hp range. However when i look at that PTE for 400 cheaper I start to question myself. At the same time for 25bucks more, i could get into the BB Garrett.
At the moment the Garrett is a little off to me. I had a Hahn Super20g turbo that didn't get enough oil and burnt up and couldnt fix it due to it being BB. So Im leaning away from that. That and its not a bolt on to my sexy FP mani. I have also been leaning away from the PTE based on things i have read on here concerning quality. Course most of those post were sorta old and after reading about what PTE went through with Garrett. How is PTE's quality now?
I have read mixed on FP. Quality seems to be overall top notch. People love FP. Some of the people that have talked about the turbos and didn't like them, seemed like they didn't know much. I digress.

Now I am a FWD Auto and I do feel like if im getting into this HP range I'll want some turbo lag. (save money on RUBBERS ).

Bottom line I guess.

Garrett- Even being a BB turbo that's not bolt on, and more $$ then the FP would that Turbo feel better in the power band, and fit my needs?
PTE- If the quality has been changed and they're a good quality now would it be worth getting it over the FPred and saving myself 400 bucks.
FP- There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on the new setup with this turbo. I have read post after post about the old school red but not much on the new. One of the moderators (justin I believe) posted a couple of pics of the new one a thread with a big thumbs up. so I'm lost here. Do i just stop all this nonsense and go with the tried and true and for the most part universally loved FP turbo.

WHY CANT I HAVE IT ALL, 600 hp turbo under 1k with renowned quality and performance and loved by everyone. Thanks in advance.

 

[My1GLaser]

WHY CANT I HAVE IT ALL, 600 hp turbo under 1k with renowned quality and performance and loved by everyone. Thanks in advance.

Sure sounds like a Holset HX-40 to me Except maybe the haters don't love Holsets very much, but the owners sure do. I love my HX-35

 

[crash89]

WHY CANT I HAVE IT ALL, 600 hp turbo under 1k with renowned quality and performance and loved by everyone. Thanks in advance.

You can.. Holset HX40 pro in a BEP housing.. Buddy of mine made 640awhp on that very turbo and can be had for ~500 total.. BUT, that isnt one of your choices..

Damn ^^^ Beat me to it!

 

[tron2119]

"At the moment the Garrett is a little off to me. I had a Hahn Super20g turbo that didn't get enough oil and burnt up and couldnt fix it due to it being BB"

Since when has the Hahn 20g's been Ball bearing??? Also, that statement is contradicting....BB turbo's require very little oil. So even if it was "bb" that would most likely not have been the cause of death. Someone lied to you...

Anyways, to answer your question I would go with the above suggestions and pick up an HX40 in a T3 BEP .70 turbine housing and be happy. They aren't bb but they are extremely stout and can take most all the punishment you can throw at them. Best bang for the buck. Pretty easy to make above 500 hp with one if you know what you're doing.

 

[Dert]

I personally went with PTE 6235r wich is basically a BB 6262 mated with a gt35r turbine, end result being a billet wheel turbo that packs the punch of a 6262 but has spool of a 35r, 680hp capable turbo. I love it, 4400rpm full spool @25psi for me. At 25psi the turbo is barely starting to come alive. The hx40 will get you where you want for cheaper tho.

 

[M4s73r]

OK so concerning this Holset hx40, am i looking at having to do a different ehaust mani?
and i didnt find a 6235r anywhere.
Or are we talking about buying seperate housing and putting one together myself? I dont know much about turbos, mating, things like that because i just havent reached that point in my build.

 

[Dert]

The 6235 is on pte site, click on aftermarket (thumbnail of a mustang) its at the bottom, you can also ask Tim at punishment racing, that's where ingot mine, any vendor that supplies pte turbos can get it. There's not a tonne of info on them because a lot of people don't know about it, most go with the 6262.

 

[My1GLaser]

Your FP Mani will work fine with a bolt-on housing. There is this one if you are running a Mitsu O2 housing. EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

Tons of Holset info here. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/436168-holset-turbos-part-9-a.html

 

[M4s73r]

Thanks for the post on the holset. Im thinking im going to go with the pte. after looking at the holset+ housing its the same price as the PTE. I guess me question now is with the mitsustyle 02 housing will i reach my goal with a 5558 or should I just get the 6262?

Dert the only reason Ive decided against the 6235r is its a little out of my hp range. not sure my 1000cc injectors will be enough. and still $800 vs $1450...

 

[Dert]

Just because you it is rated for 680hp doesn't automatically mean that's what you will make as I'm sure you are aware. The 6262 is rated at 705hp (for the BB version). The 6262 will be more laggy than the 6235. I am running a punishment racing 3" o2 housing, and big tube manifold. (I bought the complete turbo kit off their site) Tim was
more than helpfull and answered every question I had before I bought the kit. I believe the pte turbos hotsides are 4 bolt or v-band, couldn't hurt to ask if they offer with Mitsu flange.

 

[M4s73r]

the one i was looking at is on Built4g63 :: 1G DSM 90-92 :: Turbocharger :: PTE :: Billet PTE 6262 CEA Now. in hindsite if I had looked at turbos more then your right. I would have gone that route. Sadly i already bought the FP mani and Tial MVS wastegate. Dont really want to take a loss on those part and the money isnt there to change now. That 6262 does offer the option for the .63a/r. so my thought was that with the 4"Surge housing. and then just modifying my recirc o2 housing to put in the MVS. however after talking to my in law he was saying if you could just buy the o2 housing from PR with out the WG (its a 550 package deal) I should do that and just sell the stock o2 housing.

Im sure most people would say to just dump atmosphere, but im not a fan. id rather recirculate. Now unless im missing something huge here im just not sure what other options i have. And ill give them a call on monday and see what they say.

As far as laggy goes. For a FWD dont i want a little lag so im not roasting tires. I have 272cams and a ported head and valve job.

Edit: just found the one your talking about on Extreme PSI with the mitsu .63 a/r as an option. may end up going with this. I'm also looking at my setup and wondering if 600hp is out of my range right now till i upgrade the exhaust side of my motor. maybe 500-550 is all ill be able to do untill i buy a different mani/02 housing

 

[Dert]

I would probably say to bump it up to a .82ar hotside, will give you room to grow and will easily meet your needs. I have a 97 gst with the set up from punishment I spoke of above with a 82ar and I see full spool in 3rd at just over 4400rpm @25psi. It provides perfect lag for fwd. Shoot Tim am email as you can buy an o2 housing w/out the gate. Or post yours in the classifieds and sell it for slightly less than new, and pick up the package deal. I can tell you now, in order for you to get your gate on you will need to heat the flanges on the housing up using MAP gas so it expands and you can get the gate in. You will have to do the same to get it off. I had a tial gate in the o2 housing with my turbonetics 57 trim and the springs in the gate kept melting. I finally unloaded the o2 housing with the Effed tial gate for cheap and opted for waste gate off the manifold instead and swapped to a pte gate when I bought the turbo package and havnt had an issue since.

 

[boost97gst]

I suggest the 6262. No experience with it but im running the 5858 now and wish it had a bit more. Dont get me wrong, im sure its making plenty of power(seeing around 53lbs @25psi) but the 6262 .82 3"vband would flow way way better.

oh and with the 6262BB even AND a 3" exhaust i dont think youll hit near 600whp unless you go t3 mani with the v band outlet. I think the mitsu hotside is the restricting factor. You dont see big hp numbers on those setups. Im having no problems personally with it, but ive yet to crank boost past 25. THen ill see how the internal gate holds up on these pte's

 

[413mudman]

What about the evo 3 big 16 g? It's a little bit bigger than the big 16g.

 

[boost97gst]

the 16g, in any form, isnt in the same ballpark as a hx40 or 6262. Theyre great little turbos though

 

[M4s73r]

And i have the big16g right now.

 

[JusMX141]

Sadly i already bought the FP mani and Tial MVS wastegate. Dont really want to take a loss on those part and the money isnt there to change now. That 6262 does offer the option for the .63a/r. so my thought was that with the 4"Surge housing. and then just modifying my recirc o2 housing to put in the MVS.

PTE's DSM bolt-on turbine housings are terrible. I'd either buy something FP and use your current wastegate, or find a clean used T04E Garrett (50/54/57/60/60-1) that uses the T31 turbine and drop it into this:

Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP30 Style T31 Turbine Housing

 

[M4s73r]

Ok but what makes them so terrible?

 

[JusMX141]

Low-quality carbon steel casting and an off-centered volute. Compare that to the stainless casting and centered-volute design of both the FP and Bullseye Power bolt-on housings for around the same price, and the PTE housing design may as well be from 1900.

More info on the topic here: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/439983-dsm-bolton-63-r-hx40.html

 

[M4s73r]

That would be an awesome thread if you didnt have the flame war in the middle of it . But i see what your saying about it not being great. very restricting once you get down into the turbine a bit. (from the pics).

 

[We're on Boost]

Low-quality carbon steel casting and an off-centered volute. Compare that to the stainless casting and centered-volute design of both the FP and Bullseye Power bolt-on housings for around the same price, and the PTE housing design may as well be from 1900.

Justin, do you have an opinion on the design of the cast-iron 8cm housings that FP is using currently on the Red for DSM and Green for DSM?

 

[JusMX141]

Haven't seen one personally.

 

[M4s73r]

I guess i would like to know where you guys are finding these cheap holset turbos. I went on ebay that the cheapest one i could find was 900 bucks. I saw alot of "replacements". none of which had Holset stamped on the compressor cover. so that could only mean ebay knock off. I wont buy a knock off. Ive done that before with a wastegate, bov, intake, and mani and lost my ass on every single part. Help please. Someone show me a genuine holset hx40 under 500 bucks.

 

[Dert]

I guess i would like to know where you guys are finding these cheap holset turbos. I went on ebay that the cheapest one i could find was 900 bucks. I saw alot of "replacements". none of which had Holset stamped on the compressor cover. so that could only mean ebay knock off. I wont buy a knock off. Ive done that before with a wastegate, bov, intake, and mani and lost my ass on every single part. Help please. Someone show me a genuine holset hx40 under 500 bucks.

Join a dodge cummins forum and search their classifieds.

 

[M4s73r]

Just wanted to thank everyone that helped me out. I have decided ( timing and money coming in willing) to go with the HX40 and Bullsye turbine housing and a recirculated o2 housing. Thanks again for all the help.