What did my 4g63 come out of?

[Ahoffman1997]

I recently have purchased my first DSM and for the life of me I cannot find out what sort of or what this engine came out of. Vin on the block and transmission is KF5M3325PZTVR0647 the car is a 1998 Eclipse GST. Any help is much appreciated!

 

[steve]

That's not the VIN it's the transmission code KF5M33 I believe. Are you sure that's a 5PZT and not SPZT?

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/2g-trans-works-in-1g.454656/post-153413545

 

[Ahoffman1997]

That's not the VIN it's the transmission code KF5M33 I believe. Are you sure that's a 5PZT and not SPZT?

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/2g-trans-works-in-1g.454656/post-153413545

I dropped the car off at what I thought was a reputable shop considering they have been some Evos in the past. That’s what they said was stamped on the block. But maybe they were looking at the bell housing like I was. The stamp on the block is where the head mates to the block on passenger side right?

 

[steve]

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/vin-locations.523213/

 

[pauleyman]

I dropped the car off at what I thought was a reputable shop considering they have been some Evos in the past. That’s what they said was stamped on the block. But maybe they were looking at the bell housing like I was. The stamp on the block is where the head mates to the block on passenger side right?

Yes. Your shop was reading the trans.

decoding engine block numbers

Ive been reading that the best way to identify a block was to check the block stamp on the passenger side by the tranny, well I found the number but cant find anything on checking what means what. Its all numbers and the tenth is the letter V, thats the only letter. I am checking the right spot...

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[Ahoffman1997]

Yes. Your shop was reading the trans.

decoding engine block numbers

Ive been reading that the best way to identify a block was to check the block stamp on the passenger side by the tranny, well I found the number but cant find anything on checking what means what. Its all numbers and the tenth is the letter V, thats the only letter. I am checking the right spot...

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https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/vin-locations.523213/

Shouldn’t it be here?

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[pauleyman]

Shouldn’t it be here?

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Look at the posted pic. You may not have the original engine. The pic shows location in the manual pages posted by steve.

 

[Ahoffman1997]

Look at the posted pic. You may not have the original engine. The pic shows location in the manual pages posted by steve.

The previous owner said that the owner before him put a Evo 3 engine in here I’m just trying to get the facts. The shop said it was a 6 bolt which makes me think it’s not an Evo 3 engine.

 

[pauleyman]

Easy enough to check.

 

[Ahoffman1997]

Easy enough to check.

Can you tell from these photos of the oil pan?

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[pauleyman]

No it's not quite clean enough. 6 bolt is totally flat. 7 bolt drops down some at the front case. It kinda looks like a 7bolt but I can't tell from those pics.

 

[DSMPT]

It's a 7 bolt oil pan but we can't tell if the engine is from a DSM or a EVO 3. Because 1g/2g 7 bolt DSM and early evo 1/2/3 have the same oil pan.

 

[pauleyman]

It's a 7 bolt oil pan but we can't tell if the engine is from a DSM or a EVO 3. Because 1g/2g 7 bolt DSM and early evo 1/2/3 have the same oil pan.

How the heck did you see that.

Anyway OP I'm betting you might still find some stamp in the back. Check the alternate location.

 

[DSMPT]

How the heck did you see that.

Paul, I see the triangle part in green circle. That part is from 7 bolt oil pump shape. So a 6 bolt oil pan shouldn't have it. I meant assuming it's a 7 bolt block, but we can't tell the engine is from what car yet just by seeing those oil pan pics.

If the OP wants to distinguish, he should look for some stamp like you said and upload more pics to provide us more info. The best way would be to remove the oil pan to check inside the block. Also he can try to see the piston top from spark plug holes to check what stamp the pistons have. If the bottom end is from EVO 3, he maybe able to see a "EV3" stamp if there is no much carbon deposit. We may be able to distinguish what "block" he has by seeing some more pics from outside but it can't guarantee yet that the internal parts are also from EVO 3.

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[Ahoffman1997]

How the heck did you see that.

Anyway OP I'm betting you might still find some stamp in the back. Check the alternate location.

No vin # on either A or B locations on the block. My assumption is that it might be a aftermarket block or stock replacement from a dealership way back when.

 

[19Eclipse90]

It looks to me that the VIN under the head on the passenger side has been scratched off. That's always a bit suspect. It appears that there are some traces of some markings but I certainly can't make any of them out, especially on my phone.

Dumb question, but what initially made you think it wasn't the original engine block?

 

[Ahoffman1997]

It looks to me that the VIN under the head on the passenger side has been scratched off. That's always a bit suspect. It appears that there are some traces of some markings but I certainly can't make any of them out, especially on my phone.

Dumb question, but what initially made you think it wasn't the original engine block?

I took an abrasive pad to it to see if the vin was underneath the little bit of grime that was on it. To no avail it wasn't there. To answer your question, I'm the 8th owner and the previous owner said that the guy that he got it off of put a Evo3 engine in it. Was just trying to confirm what was in it so I could start buying parts.

 

[19Eclipse90]

Can you provide more pics of the engine from a number of different angles? Like Hiroshi mentioned earlier, a 7-bolt oil pan is a 7-bolt oil pan. That holds true for a number of 7-bolt parts and knowing just that much would be a pretty safe diving off point. We may be able to help more with more pictures.

 

[DSMPT]

Was just trying to confirm what was in it so I could start buying parts.

As I mentioned above that you can't really confirm what internal parts you have without removing the oil pan if the engine is JDM.
Also as I said you need to upload more pic to provide more info to distinguish what external parts you have.

 

[Ahoffman1997]

Can you provide more pics of the engine from a number of different angles? Like Hiroshi mentioned earlier, a 7-bolt oil pan is a 7-bolt oil pan. That holds true for a number of 7-bolt parts and knowing just that much would be a pretty safe diving off point. We may be able to help more with more pictures.

Hopefully these pics shed some light.

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[motomattx]

The pictures needed would have to be from down under the car such as more from the oil pan.

 

[mitsubishikid]

Check the end of the cylinder head above the thermostat housing, it should be stamped, G6K - 4 or G6K -5 code for an evo 3 head.

if it is an evo 3 engine i would wonder why the previous owner took all the evo 3 bits off of it, I see mostly stock 2g components on it, I guess they could have parted it out and people were buying the jdm evo goodies, then he put stock 2g bits on it to sell it... There also is the possibility that the engine was replaced under warranty by Mitsubishi, they have no vins on the oem replacement blocks.

 

[streetraceboi]

Im more concerned about the shop you took it to telling you its a 6-bolt engine

 

[DSMPT]

As I have already mentioned that there is no actual way to confirm if the engine is from EVO 3 (or at least if it has a EVO 3 combo) without removing the oil pan to check oil squirters type and checking piston top what stamp the pistons have. Because EVO 3 head is the same as RVR hyper sports gear and Chariot resort runner. And those cars have different cams, pistons, block combo (and intake manifold) from EVO 3. And the OP said he doesn't see any stamp on the block, if it's true which means maybe the block is a revised block from dealer, which means he can't know if the block has one piece style main bearing or split thrust bearings until he removes the oil pan and physically check.

But here is my honest opinion. As the EVO 3 CR8.8 pistons are well known as very problematic. Even the stock boost pressure can destroy its ring lands easily. So, I think it would be better if the OP doesn't have at least those pistons.

 

[cracovia]

it should be on the firewall too