Tough choice.. HX35, 18g or 20g

[turboglenn]

what cold side housing? is that what you're asking vette? I would have to say i dont know other than it looks like your standard 20g housing. but the hot side is describes as 20g - tdo5h 10cm^, t3 flanged exhaust housing

Yea, you NEVER hear about the 25g *shrugs* Hell that might have been an option had i known about it long enough to have already found one. I've already picked turbos, but i'm still interested in all the details of the 2 hotsides i last mentioned and some more on the 25g as well

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

what cold side housing? is that what you're asking vette? I would have to say i dont know other than it looks like your standard 20g housing. but the hot side is describes as 20g - tdo5h 10cm^, t3 flanged exhaust housing

Yea, i should have been more forward about that. I know Jusmx is putting 20g wheels in 16g housings, so that will make a difference with top end. And i remember 20g wheels inside custom compressors when i first start got into dsms on these crazy websites. So, honestly, i would run a HX35 based off of reliability and being able to throw fuc%ing crazy boost at it and quick spool.

James

 

[jrohner]

Jrohner can you clarify if the wideband you're using is set for gasoline and reading 8.5:1 or if it's setup to display ethanol values? Or are you converting from a lambda reading that's being displayed?

It's set to E85. Sorry I thought that was clear.

 

[turboglenn]

I see fitment issues with the HX35 that scare me.. until i've seen a aftermarket cooling setup that will keep a car cool in the nebraska summer with the AC on i won't give them fans up again after getting rid of them it was the biggest regret i had about going "big turbo" back in the day of first installing my to4e/t3 hybrid 57 (well it was called a hybrid back then i )

I know it sounds silly but this is still my DD and if the turbo wont' fit it will just have to sit on the other motor until i find the RWD body i'm going to use and let it do it sthing there. I'm not trying to go all out, just a steady fast spooled 425 horse would be plenty...then i'll add n2o for the trip to 500 just for the dyno sheets, spooling, and vipers

I know the hx35 sounds better, and many people run it, but no one's stepped up saying "ihave one on my 2g with stock fans, here's a pic" I have access to a pte67something that i put on tomorrow ( it was offered to me last week), but running it requires the removal of the stock fans. And even on that car's AL radiator with the shrouded slim lines he can't run the AC without overheating. The power is addictive, but sweating your ass off in your own car on the way to work is something i just can't handle in my DD


EDIT: to save space

It's set to E85. Sorry I thought that was clear.

It may have been... I can be "slow" sometimes

Hell if things go right this month, now that the wife is helping with the rent again and our other bills, i might buy both turbos (used of course) and give them a go if one don't fit i'll save it for the RWD or our neon build, or sell it.

 

[jrohner]

If you have room, you could put a pusher fan in front of the radiator like evo's have stock.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I have gotten so use to the "wind in my hair" setup. I just roll the windows down and im fine. So, getting rid of the AC doesnt bother me. Maybe the 20g is better for you then.

James

 

[turboglenn]

I've looked and it would have to go on the front of the condensor, there's no room between them.

Believe me, the last thing i wanted in my bay was the big ugly stock fans, but theye've been the only effective cooling route i've found. Everyone i know with aftermarket fans has had the same issues with running teir AC here as well. I guess it's just too hot and humid

I have gotten so use to the "wind in my hair" setup. I just roll the windows down and im fine. So, getting rid of the AC doesnt bother me. Maybe the 20g is better for you then.

James

It doesn't bother me in my work truck or on my streetbike (as much - i wish their was helemt AC units...i'd have a window unit strapped to my head ), but i just gotta have one vehicle that has a working cooler

 

[toofast82]

Yeah the hx35 compressor housing is 8" across so its pretty damn big. The 20g is plenty capable of your goals as far as power and coolant temps.
Im sorry i wasnt clear, i wasnt recommending you get a 25g, maybe i should have started a new thread. i was just curious what you guys thought it may be capable of spool/power
Thanks for the input on the e85, I was just curious because you guys make good power so wanted a little input

 

[turboglenn]

yea, the more pics i look at the HX seems huge and from the pic in this thread alone I'm scared because the manifold i have put the turbo a lot further out from the engine, so trying to picture it without the internal gate actuator on it almost gives me hope, but i would rather err on the safe side. And if going with a 20g i would want a 20g compressor housing and not a 16. I know my demands are putting enough restrictions on the turbo to start with, i don't want to add to them if unnecessary

I might see if another shop i know has an HX35/40 laying around that i could kinda test fit in there and see if i get any more confidence though

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

You could always get a Tial housing and bolt the bi*** on a swivel to get it how you want it. Those Tial housings are SIK.

James

 

[toofast82]

Yeah it would be nice to do the test fit. I would have to imagine there wouldnt be much intercooler piping mod between the 20g comp housing and your current 50trim
At the current stage, I dont believe a dsm has gone faster than a high 10sec with hx35 while the 20g has done it as well and even 16gs

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Yeah it would be nice to do the test fit. I would have to imagine there wouldnt be much intercooler piping mod between the 20g comp housing and your current 50trim
At the current stage, I dont believe a dsm has gone faster than a high 10sec with hx35 while the 20g has done it as well and even 16gs

And how long have Holsets been popular? Give it time, and 9 sec timeslips will come. FO SHO.

James

 

[toofast82]

9sec timeslips, from an hx35, definitely not FOSHO (Unless its in a 2000lb mirage or something) maybe from an hx40/52/55.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

9sec timeslips, from an hx35, definitely not FOSHO (Unless its in a 2000lb mirage or something) maybe from an hx40/52/55.

I think if a 16g can run a 9.975, a hx35 can run sub 10s. You wont here many doing it, but i think it can be done.

James

 

[toofast82]

well its possible but itll most likely be one of those dsm freaks (joe bucci, curt brown) to make it happen, actually to think about it, the strictly modified 2g would probably be capable from whats its already done(10s-16g, 9s-gt35)

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

well its possible but itll most likely be one of those dsm freaks (joe bucci, curt brown) to make it happen

I think the big difference for a lot of guys who take their car to the track is the tires. A lot of the 11 sec slips you see from dsms are on street tires. Most hondas would never accomplish a 11 sec slip without drags. And thats how dsms can run 10's and 9 easier if we all had drag tires. Thats a big part to how they can get low time slips on these smaller frame turbos. Plus being very tuners as well.

James

 

[toofast82]

this is beginning to get off topic

 

[aero_sallee]

It doesn't run hot with the fan on the driver side only? I would think on 1g it would at least with both hoses on passenger side.
Well you know the 20g will fit for sure! Plus you can always upgrade to any compressor wheel later up to a 60-1 in the 20g compressor housing making a hybrid. You'll be pushing that 20g pretty hard above 425+whp though.

Suprisingly enough I never had any overheating issues. Even in 100 degree heat in town. I did have the fan on any time the key was on.

 

[turboglenn]

Suprisingly enough I never had any overheating issues. Even in 100 degree heat in town. I did have the fan on any time the key was on.

What are you using for cooling? IT's not in your profile. Also, i just came through salina on my to and from TX. I actually pulled over there and slept in a hotel parking lot for a few hours on my way down because i was so tired from the motor install, kinda ironic, it would have been nice to checked your car out while there as well.

 

[dsmmatt28]

Have you tried an aluminum rad Glen with some fans with high cfm.

 

[turboglenn]

Have you tried an aluminum rad Glen with some fans with high cfm.

I haven't but the friends car with the PTE67xx turbo has an aluminum rad with dual fans on it and it won't allow the use of AC either. plus the aluminum radiator sticks out a little further toward the motor making even less room for the install

 

[turboglenn]

Well, tonight when not looking for my lost cell phone, i've been searching for 20g and hx35 dyno numbers and man, for what this turbo (20g) is capable of why is there nobody making over 390 horses with one (at least from anyone posting up) I'm finding TONS of 275 - 320 horse posts but nothing in the range i'm wanting to be in. especially given that the dyno graphs i am finding are in the same boost range with similar mods to me ( save for some of the WRX's and sr20 motors) I'm looking at both hx35 and 20g results and besides "guess-timates" I'm finding no real world preoof of anyone making 450 horses (save for bastard dsm or dsm bastard (i forget) but he's making 445 on an 18g )

this is kinda depressing, i can tune but i'm no voodoo magic man and i dont' expect to be able to work curt brown style magic on this engine.. is the td05h 20g really capable in "real worldd"scenarios of producing in excess of 400 WHP? I"m not talking "theory" i'm talking x engine mods + 20g at x amount fo boost with a good tune producing more than 400 hp... sure the map shows it's possible, but then again the map on my turbo shows it good to 510 HP which i will never see on this engine with it. Just as depressing are some of the HX35 numbers i've been looking up...much better by far, but still notfinding much.. is it that people that make good HP just aren't sharing or are the tales of big numbers on htese turbos more just bench racing than fact?

Just looking for some sort of "proof" because at this rate with the numbers and graphsi'm finding it might almost be better to just rebuild my 57 trim and go for broke! (or convert it to a 60 or 60-1)

well, my friend is here and should have my phone in his truck ( i hope) later all

 

[toofast82]

the 20g will be much more capable of those numbers with a tdo6h turbine, but i would think its possible with the tdo5h turbine. The tdo5h cant really keep up with the 20g compressor at high boost (24+). I see a lot of good 1/4 times at dsmtimes.org for the 20g but i didnt see much for dynos. you have 9.0-1 comp so i would think the tdo6h should still spool like a rocket

 

[JusMX141]

Cmon, Glenn- there are guys making 400+whp with 16G's and you're doubting that it's possible with a 20G, let alone a 20G in a 10cm2 housing; not to mention your FWD will make a higher HP number than an equally-spec'd AWD. I think you'll have nothing to worry about.

If you thought your 57-trim was a winner, I think you'll praise the 20G. Not many guys are fans of the 57t.

 

[turboglenn]

To be honest i'm not a fan of the 57 trim myself either. It was a result of "thinking out of the box" on a normal turbo selection just to "see what it would be" and i've lived with it for years now (since 01).

It's time for a change, and i want something faster spooling and that's the onlyreal reason i'm looking for a different turbo.

As it sits a Ti4e fits perfect, i've got IC pipe for it and it makes good power, i just want something different, and the 20g and hx35 have been hot on my mind for a while now.