The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[Pirrofab]

95gsxracer,
you have a swapped mighty max? try chasing the 14b record with that! I thought about picking up a mighty max with a 4g swap and turning it into a tow vehicle for my dsm. Just build a small turbo high compression torque monster. If I had a full motor ready to drop in with a wiring harness instead of a bare block and a few spare turbos in my basement I would have attempted this already. I wish I had more spare parts.

Shane,
Im serious, I'll pay for 1 non bent connecting rod and pay for shipping!! Hell you can even engrave that it came from a 12 second 14b I would engrave it but I dont have an engraver.

 

[SBstar]

95gsxracer,
you have a swapped mighty max? try chasing the 14b record with that! I thought about picking up a mighty max with a 4g swap and turning it into a tow vehicle for my dsm. Just build a small turbo high compression torque monster. If I had a full motor ready to drop in with a wiring harness instead of a bare block and a few spare turbos in my basement I would have attempted this already. I wish I had more spare parts.

Shane,
Im serious, I'll pay for 1 non bent connecting rod and pay for shipping!! Hell you can even engrave that it came from a 12 second 14b I would engrave it but I dont have an engraver.

I'll let ya know haha. I haven't pulled it apart yet. I'm leaving today for a week I picked up the new block, pistons look a little iffy, we'll see.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

My 2g was 3350 with me in it after I removed a bunch of crap, like the AC system, spare tire, etc. I think the EVO (05 RS) was 3315 with me in it.

95gsxracer,
you have a swapped mighty max? try chasing the 14b record with that! I thought about picking up a mighty max with a 4g swap and turning it into a tow vehicle for my dsm. Just build a small turbo high compression torque monster. If I had a full motor ready to drop in with a wiring harness instead of a bare block and a few spare turbos in my basement I would have attempted this already. I wish I had more spare parts.

I do, and I probably will. Or I might let my GF have all of the small turbo fun with her swapped MightyMax. Mine has a stroker ready to go in and it already has a T3 topmount manifold I had JMF make a couple years back. It went 13.6 at 112 with the 50 trim on pump gas and low boost, not spooling till 300 feet out (tight converter). I'll try that turbo again with the stroker to see what the difference is back to back leaving with boost.

The rest of my parts just showed up, back to work!

 

[Mr Peepers]

My car was 3000 with me in it and a stock 7.8:1 CR 6 bolt on SAFC and a sidemount at the time I ran the 12.004. You don't necessarily have to be a tin can or have a ton of mods although I wouldn't say I was that close to the record

 

[talontd92tsi]

Well I'm waiting on my motorr from the machine shop and can't wait til I hit the strip and dyno.
Mods:
Wiseco 9:1 .020 over
Eagle H beams with ARP's
Clevite mains and rods
Stock crank
Port & polished head/valve job
K&N air filter
Evo III exhaust mani & 02 housing
Ported 14b
Hallman MBC
3" turboback exhaust
Mitsu MLS
Apexi SAFC
DSMlink
Stock side mount
Only gonna run it between 7-14psi to break in the motor and upgrade after I run it.

Why in gods name would you run a SAFC AND Link? Unless you are trying to blow it up?

 

[Phil1320]

Damn Shane.....

Sorry to hear man....

.....however as someone stated above...if you can drop a decent block in and go, for the rest of this season I would do that too.

Unless of you course you want to wait til next year to hit 11's

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Well, I ran out of time to swap to the 14b so I ran the small 16g that was already in the turbine housing. Best pass was the first one with a 10.9 at 123. The other two passes were 11.0s at 123. Boost was 25 dropping to 16 at 7500. I couldn't get any more boost, and the WG never opened from the 2 step to the traps. The internal might have been leaking a bit, but backpressure was pretty high for the 10cm housing, I was hoping it would be lower.

I'll probably move up to an EVO 16g to make some changes try to push the car a bit more and then swap to the 14b after it's all set up just to see what it will run.

 

[Bo0sTdTsI]

Why in gods name would you run a SAFC AND Link? Unless you are trying to blow it up?

Sorry bout that only put that as to idk which one I'm gonna run yet but more tha likely link. Sorry for the misunderstnding my only access to net is my phone and doesn't work good so yea, Im not that dumb to b running both of those.

 

[Phil1320]

I'm the only dumb ass running the AFC

 

[91stocker]

I'm the only dumb ass running the AFC

Damn thats crazy, why not pick up an ostrich set up for cheap?

SD ftw

 

[Gooberlog]

Damn thats crazy, why not pick up an ostrich set up for cheap?

SD ftw

Because Phil is a super O.G. old school DSMr

 

[91stocker]

Because Phil is a super O.G. old school DSMr

For sure, i cant believe the times hes able to pull out of that set up. Pretty pro right there.

 

[DJ23GSX]

Damn thats crazy, why not pick up an ostrich set up for cheap?

SD ftw

If it aint broke then why fix it?

 

[pneumo]

I'm the only dumb ass running the AFC

Don't be so modest, you have a nice EPROM chip in there too, right?

Well, I ran out of time to swap to the 14b so I ran the small 16g that was already in the turbine housing. Best pass was the first one with a 10.9 at 123. The other two passes were 11.0s at 123. Boost was 25 dropping to 16 at 7500. I couldn't get any more boost, and the WG never opened from the 2 step to the traps. The internal might have been leaking a bit, but backpressure was pretty high for the 10cm housing, I was hoping it would be lower.

I'll probably move up to an EVO 16g to make some changes try to push the car a bit more and then swap to the 14b after it's all set up just to see what it will run.

Hmm, surprising results. I thought your car would be faster, but I think the small 16G is holding you back. Interesting that the 10cm housing let boost drop so much. I think you'll pick up a nice amount of power with an EVO3 16G. BTW I ran the EVO3 16G this year and went 10.48@ 129.8, so there's a benchmark for you.

 

[forcefed86]

Well, I ran out of time to swap to the 14b so I ran the small 16g that was already in the turbine housing. Best pass was the first one with a 10.9 at 123. The other two passes were 11.0s at 123. Boost was 25 dropping to 16 at 7500. I couldn't get any more boost, and the WG never opened from the 2 step to the traps. The internal might have been leaking a bit, but backpressure was pretty high for the 10cm housing, I was hoping it would be lower.

I'll probably move up to an EVO 16g to make some changes try to push the car a bit more and then swap to the 14b after it's all set up just to see what it will run.

What was the back pressure? Did you log it?

 

[Phil1320]

Damn thats crazy, why not pick up an ostrich set up for cheap?

SD ftw

! I will start it back up with the chip and AFC but plan on finally switching to DSM link next year!

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Yeah, I was dissapointed that the small 16g, while slow, didn't at least beat the 14b record. There's still more to be had with that turbo though, it's just not worth chasing it. I'll save that for the EVO turbo. The WB sensor died in Ohio and I forgot about it, so I couldn't tune at all. I was also unable to launch hard at only 6000 rpm and ~22 psi on the 2 step. I expected more from this turbo at lower rpm, but I have to remember that lower rpm for me is still higher rpm for a small 16g I guess. It's also possible that the internal was blowing open a hair. I had a steel bracket bolted to the compressor cover that held it shut, but it probably had some flex. I'll weld that this week.

Another ~80 hp should go a long way. I'll save the tweaking for that turbo. More boost on the starting line will help a lot too. Once the car is tuned and making its best power on the EVO16g I'll try the 14b on for one night and see what it can do.

If I average all the data from the transbrake release to the traps, boost averaged 21 psi, and back pressure averaged 41 psi. So 2:1 on average. I saw back pressure peaks over 50 psi though at the top of each gear, where boost pressure was only 16-17 psi, which is over 3:1. It was 1:1 right up to the 2 step, and on the first aborted run at 13 psi it was 1:1 the whole time, but rpm didn't get very high before I had to lift.

 

[Phil1320]

Well, I ran out of time to swap to the 14b so I ran the small 16g that was already in the turbine housing. Best pass was the first one with a 10.9 at 123. The other two passes were 11.0s at 123. Boost was 25 dropping to 16 at 7500. I couldn't get any more boost, and the WG never opened from the 2 step to the traps. The internal might have been leaking a bit, but backpressure was pretty high for the 10cm housing, I was hoping it would be lower.

I'll probably move up to an EVO 16g to make some changes try to push the car a bit more and then swap to the 14b after it's all set up just to see what it will run.

That's still haulin'...

Because Phil is a super O.G. old school DSMr

Pretty much....I like to keep it simple...not VPC simple though

15 years next month I've had the talon

For sure, i cant believe the times hes able to pull out of that set up. Pretty pro right there.

Thanks!

Don't be so modest, you have a nice EPROM chip in there too, right?

Yes, of course, but as far as something I can adjust and "tune" haha.....myself, the AFC is it!

 

[forcefed86]

Yeah, I was dissapointed that the small 16g, while slow, didn't at least beat the 14b record. There's still more to be had with that turbo though, it's just not worth chasing it. I'll save that for the EVO turbo. The WB sensor died in Ohio and I forgot about it, so I couldn't tune at all. I was also unable to launch hard at only 6000 rpm and ~22 psi on the 2 step. I expected more from this turbo at lower rpm, but I have to remember that lower rpm for me is still higher rpm for a small 16g I guess. It's also possible that the internal was blowing open a hair. I had a steel bracket bolted to the compressor cover that held it shut, but it probably had some flex. I'll weld that this week.

Another ~80 hp should go a long way. I'll save the tweaking for that turbo. More boost on the starting line will help a lot too. Once the car is tuned and making its best power on the EVO16g I'll try the 14b on for one night and see what it can do.

If I average all the data from the transbrake release to the traps, boost averaged 21 psi, and back pressure averaged 41 psi. So 2:1 on average. I saw back pressure peaks over 50 psi though at the top of each gear, where boost pressure was only 16-17 psi, which is over 3:1. It was 1:1 right up to the 2 step, and on the first aborted run at 13 psi it was 1:1 the whole time, but rpm didn't get very high before I had to lift.

Got some slips you could throw up? What is your weight?

That back pressure is nauseating... I can't imagine what mine was at 36psi on the 7cm housing. I know Lucas English said his car ran worse with a welded gate. For some reason I also seemed to drop mph as I modified my internal gate. Even though the boost was higher,(29-30 vs 24-25) I lost 4mph.

Shouldn't this be in the 16g thread?

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Probably, but people keep asking questions. When I posted about running the 14b a lot of people showed interest, so I wanted to post the results of the first trip out even though it was a 16g. I'll post over there when I get on the EVO turbo. Some of this may be relevant to 14b record chasing too.

My scanner died, but the incrementals were 1.58, 4.504, 6.966, 99.62, 9.099, 10.915, 123.95. Weight was 2380 with me in it (compared to 2450 with the compounds).

It's likely that for the 4 psi you picked up with the modified gate you picked up 10 psi on the back pressure. Or even more. It gets to a point where boost barely rises and back pressure skyrockets, that's the point of deminishing (or even negative) return. I need to block off the internal to keep it from leaking, but I still have the V44 on the manifold that it's actually running on. I was going to try the same turbos on the 7cm housing to compare and see what the differences are, but after seeing this much back pressure with the 10cm housing I don't think I'll bother. The compound turbos keep a 1:1 backpressure to 8000 rpm, and less than 1.1:1 to 10,000, for comparison. Has anyone logged back pressure on the 6 or 7cm housing?

 

[FonZ454]

Badass.

Good to see my 11.0@123 5 speed driving is on par with a drag car

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I'd say it is! To be technically correct though, the MPH between a 5 speed car and auto car isn't directly comparable, since autos trap lower with the TC's slippage. I think that makes your ET to trap speed even better though.

 

[Mr Peepers]

Agreed, Ryan can drive

 

[Phil1320]

Badass.

Good to see my 11.0@123 5 speed driving is on par with a drag car

Almost...you haven't hit 10's yet......

Agreed, Ryan can drive

I'd still call him a novice.....

 

[SBstar]

Just got back from an AWESOME vacation. The wife and I had an awesome time and a trip to ourselves was long overdue. But enough about personal stuff. I ordered the parts to put the car back together on this stock 6 bolt shortblock. Just new gaskets and seals and I snapped a turbo/manifold bolt so I ordered a good set of those since mine were all mismatched crap. I plan to tear the rest of the stuff out of the engine bay tonight if it's feasible after work, not going to be easy without an engine hoist but I'm fortunate that I can break it down into smaller pieces. Not to mention the block has been significantly lightened haha! Looks like it'll take near a week for some of my parts to get here unfortunately but I'll have time to check everything over properly and ensure I can do a smooth install. The toughest part is actually going to be that broken bolt! I'm also going to check the turbo over to make sure nothing was damaged there. As Phil said i really don't want to wait until next year to try for those 11's again. I'm sure I'll notice a difference with the lower compression motor, how much remains to be seen though and hopefully I can make up for it elsewhere. A friend who helped me rebuild the motor last time took a look at some things for me as well. He's pretty sure that piston failed first and he wasn't convinced it wasn't already an issue. According to what he's seen in the past in his experience he thinks the extra boost just pushed it over the edge. Who knows but I won't be doing another super budget build other then using these oem parts for now. The savings account starts now for some forged internals.