The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[Phil1320]

Good point Phil. So many people talk about building a car that's soo fast. Its all over the magazines, how a 10sec street car is slow. People on all the forums through around the term 10s street car, or even 9 or 8s street car. Well its all bullshit. Unless you got the slips to prove it #### off cause noone has one..

I went to the drag strip a lot this summer. Pretty much every weekend, trying to get my car in the 10's on street tires. Guess how many 8,9 or even 10s "street" cars were there. None. I was the fastest true street car there every time. Hell, almost everything that got out of the 12's was trailered, on slicks and open exhuast. ####, a lot of big block camero's on slicks didn't get out of the 12's. I guess an 11's 4 banger is slow. I never saw one single dsm at the tracks this summer, but supposedly everybody and there brother has a one that runs 9's.

Hubz, get your car running, and then talk some shit. Your like guys on my local board, calling me out in december, when there car is in pieces. I run the shit out of my cars, knocked 7/10's off my time, freshened the motor broke and built 2 transmissions, went tractor pulling, raced lots of motocross, pounded some skanks, and these guys still don't have a running car yet.

Pretty much. Glad you see and hear what I hear. That's Awesome about your trips to the strip. Always fun to drive by a car on a trailer on the way home, that you beat down the strip in your streetcar. Granted, I haven't enjoyed that in quite a while. Oh, and thanks for the laugh, this was funny!!

Again.. My car isn't in pieces. Can't have it down here. Obviously it sits at home.. hasn't been touched in over a year.

What I'm sure he means is get your 14b on the car with whatever set-up and make some passes. Then you've got some basis for your ideas and arguements, you might even gaun some respect in the process. And, as far as the challenge, somewhere back in this thread I said I'd meet you at a track and run you, just to show you where you stand. You either declined, or never responded.

To answer your question master, I have been low 12s in a full weight 2g on pump and street tires. Idc what you think of it. I was happy with that in a full weight car with 2 12's in the hatch.

Thanks, now that wasn't so hard, was it? Of course you don't care. You don't seem to care what anyone that has alot more experience in racing has to say. Here it is anyway: You talk way to big a game for what you've accomplished in the DSM world, period.

It's a shame it only took 99 pages for this thread to go from ridiculous to retarded. WTF happened?!

Inexperienced shitalkers invaded the thread and started taking stabs at people who are well established in the subject at hand. This didn't start at 99 pages...it was quite some time ago.

Phil is on a high horse to be exact. I used to respect what he did, now he is just making himself look bad.

That's it!

Speaking of horses...

That made me

Phil i like what you do man, but you got to turn the cockiness down a touch. Its a bit much.



You must live in a shit area. Any of the local street racing scenes have loads of fast street cars. If you show up with a 11's car, you might as well be driving a prius.

And hell the last time i went to the track there were a good 4 or 5 street cars running low 11's or better. And this is at a shit ball track in the middle of no where. Two new camaro's and a sts v basically bone stock running 11's. With stock cars running 12's now, 11's really aint shit. The sts-v guys claim 11.70's right off the showroom floor. Any schmuck with a couple bucks could buy one and wax everyone posting here. But thats not the point is it?

Whatever man. You fit right in with hubz and nothing. Dissing anyone with an 11 second car.....

 

[91stocker]

It has nothing to do with the time. Its the fact that your so damn cocky about it.

Where do you get your superiority complex from? I think you drinking too much of your own coolaid man.

 

[SBstar]

I did my best to stay out of this, but I've got to call out a few things here.

Run a stock engine and gut the piss out of your car.

Worked for Joe Bucci now didn't it. So you're dissing on his accomplishments now too? Then why do you even care about 14b stuff, you've already moved onto your big turbo anyways.

To answer your question master, I have been low 12s in a full weight 2g on pump and street tires. Idc what you think of it. I was happy with that in a full weight car with 2 12's in the hatch.

Good, at least now we know you have some experience. It's tough for guys who have been in the game a long time to take someone who comes in talking a big game seriously when it appears they have no experience. You came into this thread with quite the cocky attitude when you haven't done anything yet. That's disrespectful to those who have already gone out and done it and obviously put some on edge. Chill out, we'd love to share in your experience and root you on, instead you put yourself out there as being against the rest of us.

As for 11's being a slow street car, what does that have to do with the 14b thread anyways. Who gives a crap! Any one of us here could put on a different setup and run 10's, we all know how to do it. That's not what we're about. But, to set the record straight I've been to alot of test-n-tune nights and high to mid 11 second street cars aren't slow. Most of those low 12/high 11 factory cars run 13's because of drivers who don't have a clue, even modified.

Overall fellas we're here to share our experiences, learn new things, and go faster/quicker on the stock turbo right? If that isn't your goal then go find another thread to troll. If you come on here with an attitude expect to get one back, if you come in here and share your opinions in a non-demeaning way, those who have been there can share their experience on the subjects.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Joe's motor wasn't stock. I wasn't calling anyone car "slow". Devin Shultz and Curt Brown both put down impressive times with the 16g correct? Since then Curt ran a 3586 into the 8s at 160s and Devin is sub 8.30 at 170s with the 3794. I was saying why would people that these two jump back into the small turbo running..?

 

[SBstar]

Joe's motor wasn't stock. I wasn't calling anyone car "slow". Devin Shultz and Curt Brown both put down impressive times with the 16g correct? Since then Curt ran a 3586 into the 8s at 160s and Devin is sub 8.30 at 170s with the 3794. I was saying why would people that these two jump back into the small turbo running..?

Ok, lets try discussing Joe's setup one more time and see if we can get it straight. He ran a stock block to the no nitrous record of 10.87. Then he built the motor and ran the.nitrous times, after that he moved on to 16g stuff.

Yes, Devin and Curt ran nice 16g times,But Devin ran a 6766 to the current low 8's. I'm still thinking your confused though. If you're thinking either could dlap a 14b on and run some kind of record you're sadly mistaken, mods have to work together to be efficient. If you're simply referring to putting the money they have/had into those setups into a 14b setup then theoretically yes they could do well. As said why would you do it, there's more "fame" in running 8's with any setup over anything possible with the 14b.

 

[Phil1320]

It has nothing to do with the time. Its the fact that your so damn cocky about it.

Where do you get your superiority complex from? I think you drinking too much of your own coolaid man.

Where do you get the idea that I have this ''complex'' ?

Please give examples:



This will be my final post to you in this forum regardless.

Joe's motor wasn't stock. I wasn't calling anyone car "slow". Devin Shultz and Curt Brown both put down impressive times with the 16g correct? Since then Curt ran a 3586 into the 8s at 160s and Devin is sub 8.30 at 170s with the 3794. I was saying why would people that these two jump back into the small turbo running..?

It was stock enough. If I had a dollar for everytime you said the words ''Curt Brown,'' I'd have an 8 second car

If I ran 8s next year you'd still be talking smack.

I told you once I was done talking to you in this forum, and you suckered me back in. It won't happen again.

 

[1qkfwd]

Aside from all the B.S. post and talkers in this thread I figured I would add to what Ive done.

I finally got my whole 6262 T3 setup of the fwd and have 14b stuff scattered across my shop floor. Last night I spent a good amount of time porting the better evo3 housings that I have. Gonna have to find a way to get it mounted up since all the bolt holes have been drilled out. I was just thinkin of a nut and bolt for 3 of the mounting points. With this FP manifold its not gonna be possible on the front right mounting spot.

All thats left is swapping out the JMF and getting my trans reshimmed and installed. Its gonna be a busy couple of weeks.

 

[SBstar]

Aside from all the B.S. post and talkers in this thread I figured I would add to what Ive done.

I finally got my whole 6262 T3 setup of the fwd and have 14b stuff scattered across my shop floor. Last night I spent a good amount of time porting the better evo3 housings that I have. Gonna have to find a way to get it mounted up since all the bolt holes have been drilled out. I was just thinkin of a nut and bolt for 3 of the mounting points. With this FP manifold its not gonna be possible on the front right mounting spot.

All thats left is swapping out the JMF and getting my trans reshimmed and installed. Its gonna be a busy couple of weeks.

Àre you sure you're in the right thread?
Nice to see some updates, keep us informed.

 

[1qkfwd]

I really dont know now. I didnt know that taking a turbo that ran 14s and making it run 11s was slow.

Ill try to keep updated the best I can. One way or another this car and a 14B bolted to it will see the track. Maybe shut some of these clowns up.

 

[C_Keagy]

I want to see how hard it is to run 11s on a 14b. I'll have one on my car for fun the first couple trips out to set up the suspension. I'm slowly getting it back together how I want it so in a few months I'll be out playing before the s374 goes back on.

Also for the Curt Brown haters, You can all F* off. One of the fastest guys out there with ANY setup and you have to bash his balls.

You're always going to be a few tenths behind him because he is not a "DSMer" per say and will spend money on the expensive parts that have small gains.

 

[91stocker]

Where do you get the idea that I have this ''complex'' ?

O maybe your constant bashing on anyone who hasnt run their 14b set up yet. Maybe your entire overbearing arrogance of your own time.

To claim to be such a promoter of the 14b you sure aren't very accepting to new comers. Just about every new 14b guy is almost immediately offended by you. Is that to protect your fourth place spot?

Plus didn't it take you like 10 years to get that fourth place spot? Yet new guys get one summer to earn your respect or in your words they're just talking shit.

Its took me two years to get my car where it is now and its still not ready to make a pass.

This will be my final post to you in this forum regardless.

Comments like that are a prime example. Anyway didnt you give up on the 14b? So why are you still here? I mean when was your last pass? How many years ago? You and your budget pass from years ago are about as relevant as any new builds trying to make a pass so just chill out.

I mean really at this point your just trolling.

I want to see how hard it is to run 11s on a 14b. I'll have one on my car for fun the first couple trips out to set up the suspension. I'm slowly getting it back together how I want it so in a few months I'll be out playing before the s374 goes back on.

Do it!! haha

The only problem i see is that your cr is relatively low and your cams are massive. Not really an ideal 14b set up. That sucker is going to make 10psi at redline . It would probably make less power then a stock motor/cam set up wouldn't it?

I remember a thread where a guy upgraded from hks 264's to k280's and lost something like 20whp on a 16g. Drive ability was complete shit too, but i guess that don't matter much on a drag car.

It would cool to see regardless. I know it was pretty cool seeing 95gsxracer throw a 14b on his blue car.

 

[C_Keagy]

I run a 9.0:1 cr it should do just fine. I know the 288s will not work good, I have a couple sets laying around to play with.

I'll do it for fun and enjoy the shit talking.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Shane, I mentioned that joe ran a stock block about a year ago and got flamed.., So he ran 10.87 on the stock bottomend?

Phil, why would I talk smack? You continue to think that somehow I am after you.

 

[1qkfwd]

Shane I mentioned that joe ran a stock block about a year ago and got flamed.., So he ran 10.87 on the stock bottomend?

Yes true story.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Àre you sure you're in the right thread?
Nice to see some updates, keep us informed.

I know you have already seen this Shane but I'll post it here for everyone else so as to try and direct this thread back to a positive direction. I have taken a break from my DSM for the past few months but I am back now and currently working on cutting weight in my dash. You can follow my progress on my build blog: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dsm-build-journals/418713-9-eclipse-n-t-turbo-fwd-street-drag-autox-3.html#post153099141

 

[SBstar]

Looks fantastic Nate! I plan on doing something similar to shed the last couple lbs. out of mine this winter. I'm also planning on tackling the wiring harnesses.

I have an update of my own but I'll wait til morning I'm beat and going to bed.

Morning.

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Decided to go out to Milan Dragway for T&T last night, all the talk on here had me worked up to see how much I could better my time by. I also wanted to try a few things to see what would net gains. Clearly a few of them worked. I'm pretty happy with the car and where it sits, there's probably an 11.7 in there on the street tires but hopefully this will be the last time the car runs down the 1/4 on them for a while.

Suspension:
I started out trying the different suspension settings, softer in the rear, stiffer in the front. 60 ft. times started out in the high 1.7's for two passes. Decided that clearly wasn't working and switched to stiff in the rear, softer in front, and 60's dropped to my normal low 1.7's and a few high 1.6's. Tire pressure at 22 front, 20 rear. For my very last pass I listened to a suggestion from Phil and lowered the pressure to 18psi in all 4 and cut a 1.659 60'. No matter what the suspension settings or pressure I was spinning hard all 4 out of the hole. 2nd to last pass I started to go sideways on the launch to a 1.73 which was the worst 60' on the stiff rear/soft front settings.

Power:
Started out with the same settings as last time with the 11.903 @ 114.82. First pass mph was 114.74 so right on the money. Second pass was over after the 330', and third pass was 114.78 again right on the money. Decided to give the boost controller a half/3 quarter turn and see if it would net any power. Third pass resulted in 115.34 mph. Clearly making some more power. Without a map sensor it's hard to tell and I didn't even bother logging but I believe the highest boost hit was 22-23 psi, I believe I saw as low as falling to 15 psi. Final two passes the night started to cool significantly as well and saw 115.63 and 115.69 respectively. Clearly on a well intercooled setup you can make a little more power over 21 psi. Not sure where the "ceiling" is yet of course but I would assume it's not to far up the boost ladder.

 

[Phil1320]

A little more weight loss, a little more boost, a little change in tire pressure, and a consistant driver is worth a tenth in ET. Excellent execution Shane! Congrats on the new PB of 11.81, you've now got a SOLID 11 second 14b combo!

 

[SBstar]

I think the consistency was the best part last night. Last time I went from 12.1 to an 11.9 and didn't back it up. Now I know it's a consistent 11 second car. This car is alot of fun at the strip, no one notices it until I talk to them in the lanes and they ask what I'm running. Then they start asking me for tips ha ha!

 

[1SloEvo]

Congrats on the pb. What weight are you at currently? And what cams are you running?

 

[SBstar]

They don't have the scales on at Milan for test-n-tune nights apparently so it hasn't been weighed. I want to get it on a scale before I start on the winter tear down, but best guess is just under 2700 with driver. I have hks 264/272 cams in the car now. It's been interesting to see last year boost rocked steady at 21 psi the whole pass, this year looks like it drops as far as 15. Only change is the lower compression and cams.

 

[99gst_racer]

Shane, Test and Tune tomorrow @ US131. I'm 99% sure they'll have the scales going. We're taking Dans car down there to see if he can best his 11.7 from a few weeks ago.

 

[Steve93Talon]

Nice gains! Are you using no lift to shift?

 

[SBstar]

Shane, Test and Tune tomorrow @ US131. I'm 99% sure they'll have the scales going. We're taking Dans car down there to see if he can best his 11.7 from a few weeks ago.

Bring me a set of slicks and I'll come! Ha ha! What is Dan running in it now?

Nice gains! Are you using no lift to shift?

Yes, NLTS gained me a tenth or more when I first started using it.

 

[99gst_racer]

Bring me a set of slicks and I'll come! Ha ha! What is Dan running in it now?

I could honestly probably do that if you're serious. My slicks are on a car about 10 minutes from the track. It wouldn't be a problem to swing by and pick them up. You're welcome to use them all night. I have a cordless impact too. I can't ever get Dan to use them because he's affraid of breaking stuff with his near-full weight car. He's running an FP3052 on a stock longblock btw.

 

[SBstar]

Seriously....you shall have pm. Might have to talk.the wife into this! I'll get back to you once I can contact her.