The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[1SloEvo]

I am anxious to see how many people come back out pushing the little turbo to see what they can do...regardless if it's a stock motor or 10.5 motor.

I'm not gonna speak for anyone else, but I could give a crap about some Honda Civic.

Agreed. This isn't the '14b in a Honda Civic' thread. I am anxious to see some of these cars run soon.

I'm working on my ride right now as well. Pulled some weight the last couple of weeks. All a/c and heating components (including under dash) have been removed except the a/c condensor...which will be pulled out this weekend. I did install my tubular o2 housing with w/g dump and make a 3" exhaust (actually 3.5" for about half). Only has a single 20" resonator. Amazing to see the boost go from 12psi on the stock exhaust to 16psi with just the upgrade of exhaust...no changes to the mbc.

Unfortunately, my stock clutch at 129k miles barely holds enough to even do a WOT pull, much less launch this thing. I'm hoping to be able to get a clutch, some race gas and tuning done so I can hit the track at least once this year. Just have to see how it plays out!

 

[SBstar]

Priorities vs toys, priorities wins that one every time.

I hate it when real life happens. Bummer Nick. Hope things work out for ya.

It's kind of comical. All you guys fail to see the fact that a built motor like this is going to make way more power than a stock block. I'll be choking the shit out of it the whole way. But it only needs to last a while as I have bigger intentions than a 14b. I built this car as if I was building a low 9 second car and that's all I have to say.

Totally forgot thanks for remind me.

I could be running straight meth for all they know. As long as I have a 14b with no nitrous it's still the 14b no nitrous record. They can piss and moan all they want but I might end up running straight meth for this.

No one is pissing and moaning. We gave up asterisks a long time ago.

Boy this thread blew up fast. Lots of talking no running yet.

Excuse me, I ran, put myself in the top 10 actually. Alot of talkers trying to talk their way into knocking me off it so far. I'm not trying to sound conceited with that, I hope some people do come out and make some good passes. But perhaps you're referring to record passes.

Fuel has always been open, same as engine mods. I'm not sure methanol has much of a practical advantage over E98. In my experience, methanol has been a significant pita with leaking an fittings and hose. Corn=wood?

IMHO, static compression, light rods/pistons, and absolutely perfected camshaft profile/timing are still going to be worth maybe 5% power...~15whp. Maybe 1mph or 2mph traps.

In the end the turbo is just so limited in airflow, there is little potential for significant power gains with only 30lb/min. Very stock engine hard parts can get 90% potential efficiency.

Couldn't have said it better myself. That extra 10% is going to be needed to break records, but you have to also match the weight which is what we've been trying to say.

So then again it comes down to weight

Exactly

Not knocking anyone but this is fast becoming a bench race thread. "Put up or shut up" is what they used to say.
No sense Saying this and that maybe you will maybe you won't. Just do what your going to do. Then talk.

Thank You!

I am anxious to see how many people come back out pushing the little turbo to see what they can do...regardless if it's a stock motor or 10.5 motor.

Agreed. This isn't the '14b in a Honda Civic' thread. I am anxious to see some of these cars run soon.

Unfortunately, my stock clutch at 129k miles barely holds enough to even do a WOT pull, much less launch this thing. I'm hoping to be able to get a clutch, some race gas and tuning done so I can hit the track at least once this year. Just have to see how it plays out!

Honda talk here? I'm dumbfounded as well. Get a clutch in that thing and go. I've been running a 50 dollar used 2600 since 09 w/street disc and stock flywheel.

 

[dsmornothing]

I'm sorry. I didn't realize you would get so butt hurt over something that You couldn't do but the Honda guys could. Bummer.

 

[1qkfwd]

Calm down there Shane. I wasnt talking about you. I know where who stands in this thread. I actually took the time to read all 90+ pages.

I just went through my 14Bs and I only have one and its the 1010 cartridge. Hope I dont have any issues with it for awhile. I pulled it off a fwd with only 75k on the odometer. My spare 14B has a chipped turbine wheel.

 

[Steve93Talon]

You guys seem to forget, the dreaded Hondas are making 250+ wheel hp on a 14b at 14 psi. And SOHC at that. Don't forget what kind of compression they are

I had to go back and take a look at my dyno sheet and logs, sure enough I'm at 15psi by just over 6k and still well over 250whp. Except I'm making a small mountain of torque before that point and they're not.

I'll be choking the shit out of it the whole way.

Check the log, I'm at choke flow from the point where it reached full boost on up, as is the case for everyone else running 12s or better on a 14b.

 

[dsmornothing]

Look, I'm not questioning any bodies "abilities". I'm trying to get the point across that it is in fact not JUST about weight like everyone seems to think. I think they forget. Torque is what your first 60 feet is based off of. Horsepower gets you down the track. Which is part of the reason I won't have but maybe 10 psi in the first 60.

 

[SBstar]

Calm down there Shane. I wasnt talking about you. I know where who stands in this thread. I actually took the time to read all 90+ pages.

I just went through my 14Bs and I only have one and its the 1010 cartridge. Hope I dont have any issues with it for awhile. I pulled it off a fwd with only 75k on the odometer. My spare 14B has a chipped turbine wheel.

Alright, sorry that it came off that way, as if you missed my runs. The 1010 cartridge lasted a long time for Phil, hopefully you'll be able to make several passes in the least. It'll be neat to see a fwd set up like yours make some passes.

Look, I'm not questioning any bodies "abilities". I'm trying to get the point across that it is in fact not JUST about weight like everyone seems to think. I think they forget. Torque is what your first 60 feet is based off of. Horsepower gets you down the track. Which is part of the reason I won't have but maybe 10 psi in the first 60.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it works out. But, the same power with less weight is going to win every time (driver and setup matched). That's all we're trying to get across. I'm not sure why we have to argue that one with you when your race weight went from 2800 to 2500 over the course of your project log/posts here. Obviously you realize being light is going to be important as that's very light for an awd car w/driver. You came hopping into this thread with a couple cocky remarks. Maybe you think you can back them up, but until people prove things around here we tend not to believe it. Start from page 1 and look at all the people who came, claimed, and left. Right now Nate and Phil are/were leaving on slicks with zero spin, and running mid/high 1.4 60fts. What kind of 60's are you expecting or do you think can be accomplished? Also you started your weight commenting when we were talking specifically about my car, I know I'm not breaking any records any time soon with my setup, don't make the power for it, don't have the rubber for it, etc. Losing weight is about as effective as I can be without dumping money into the car to go faster. I have a bit left in my tune as well and don't think I'll be ignoring that.

 

[1qkfwd]

I read your build thread. I'm more of an information troll. I'm glad to see that you pulled this together and pushing the 14b Shane. Gives me more of a boost to get off my ass and get something done. I've always had it in the back of my head to wanna run the 14b in my fwd when I first read "Project Goodwilll". It wasn't until last year when we took my buddies 2950lb awd and ran 11.3@121 with a very high DA. The track is at 4000ft so it's not so great here. Usually a good second difference in times on N/A cars between here and Sacramento raceway.

I have the car and I have the parts. Now I just need to find some time to get it all together. As much of a troll on the forums as I am, I'll try to keep as updated as possible.

 

[Phil1320]

Look, I'm not questioning any bodies "abilities". I'm trying to get the point across that it is in fact not JUST about weight like everyone seems to think. I think they forget. Torque is what your first 60 feet is based off of. Horsepower gets you down the track. Which is part of the reason I won't have but maybe 10 psi in the first 60.

The thing is, you're not telling us anything we don't already know. If you feel you've got the ''torque-monster'' of all 14b cars, then start by hitting the 60' mark in better than 1.46. And, don't assume that it puts you in record contention. Last, in case you seem to forget, this requires going to a dragstrip

 

[pneumo]

All this talk is exciting. Makes me think of what I would do if I was building a car for the 14b. But like I said earlier I'm currently targeting another event. The funny thing is that I'm building the car to perform extremely well, so there may be some overlapping mods between the two types of builds. Stuff I never thought of when looking at a 14b build. And I'm probably going to learn a few things along the way. Who know's? It's funny how you learn things by going outside the norm, then find a way to apply the new knowledge to other areas.

OK enough talk, I gotta get off the couch and get some work done.

 

[1qkfwd]

It's the takin steps back into a simpler setup where you learn the most.

 

[Phil1320]

All this talk is exciting. Makes me think of what I would do if I was building a car for the 14b. But like I said earlier I'm currently targeting another event. The funny thing is that I'm building the car to perform extremely well, so there may be some overlapping mods between the two types of builds. Stuff I never thought of when looking at a 14b build. And I'm probably going to learn a few things along the way. Who know's? It's funny how you learn things by going outside the norm, then find a way to apply the new knowledge to other areas.

OK enough talk, I gotta get off the couch and get some work done.

Whelp, I for one would love to see it, but being that you're still a registered street car IMHO that hampers the effort. I know you're probably thinking of aero and such since you're into the 1/2 mile stuff, not sure how much it would help on a car that hasn't hit 100 mph by the 1/8 like Bucci's.

 

[dsmornothing]

The first step in any of my builds has been weight. I feel as though the car is night and day once you drop serious weight out of it. Plus I have had less drive line troubles with a lighter car. In fact I got another 30 lbs out of it last night and still have more to go.

 

[Phil1320]

It's the takin steps back into a simpler setup where you learn the most.

Or always having had a simple set-up...

Ok! That's awesome.....hope it goes really well and you come back with killer news. Good luck!



The thing is, you're not telling us anything we don't already know. If you feel you've got the ''torque-monster'' of all 14b cars, then start by hitting the 60' mark in better than 1.46. And, don't assume that it puts you in record contention. Last, in case you seem to forget, this requires going to a dragstrip

No reply nothing? I mean dsmornothing

 

[dsmornothing]

As of last night, I managed to squeeze another 22 lbs out of the car. Ordered FAL Lexan for the back 3, also made a sunroof out of lexan and using an oven got it formed over the factory glass. I think 2400's with me is a strong possibility. (I am only 156 lbs). So dont think I am a big hater on weight, Im just not going to die or risk my life for a few pounds. AKA cutting crash bars out of doors.

 

[1qkfwd]

Phil this is true. But some of us do like to grow up a move on to a lot bigger things. It can be just as fun. Just takes longer to get there.

Cory, I thought the same thing but then I thought race cars with a properly setup 6-point and fiberglass doors. No need for the crash bars then.

 

[dsmornothing]

Totally agree if you have a cage then go for it. But for most guys running 11s they don't consider a cage. I know I'm not cutting my doors since they are my lifeline if I get swiped. Instead I'll do some lexan in the rear an more than make up for it

Actually I think if you get hurt in an accident and they find that the person who hit you can file a lawsuit.

 

[Phil1320]

Phil this is true. But some of us do like to grow up a move on to a lot bigger things. It can be just as fun. Just takes longer to get there.

Cory, I thought the same thing but then I thought race cars with a properly setup 6-point and fiberglass doors. No need for the crash bars then.

Oh I see. What I don't see is any correlation between growing up and having a turbo upgrade/elaborate set-up. Whatever man.

 

[pneumo]

Whelp, I for one would love to see it, but being that you're still a registered street car IMHO that hampers the effort. I know you're probably thinking of aero and such since you're into the 1/2 mile stuff, not sure how much it would help on a car that hasn't hit 100 mph by the 1/8 like Bucci's.

Correct, and I still think aero has very little benefit in the 14b race. I believe it was covered somewhere in the middle of this thread. To sum it up, don't add any extra weight while trying to improve aero, just look for small improvements where you can.

 

[dsmornothing]

Rear diffusers are about as far as I would go for aero. That rear bumper is a trap.

 

[pneumo]

Rear diffusers are about as far as I would go for aero. That rear bumper is a trap.

Here ya go, DIY diffuser material Sign Supplies - Montroy Sign Supply - Products - White Aluminum 1S 1/4 x 4 x 8 Laminators Econolite

 

[Phil1320]

Correct, and I still think aero has very little benefit in the 14b race. I believe it was covered somewhere in the middle of this thread. To sum it up, don't add any extra weight while trying to improve aero, just look for small improvements where you can.

I can't remember, but I'm sure it was. Makes sense. Too bad we don't have a wind tunnel.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

I can't remember, but I'm sure it was. Makes sense. Too bad we don't have a wind tunnel.

You could make a wind tunnel

 

[dsmornothing]

Here ya go, DIY diffuser material Sign Supplies - Montroy Sign Supply - Products - White Aluminum 1S 1/4 x 4 x 8 Laminators Econolite

Haha not that kind. I am referring to the jmf style. Just something to get the air out of the bumper. Really besides keeping your wheel wells in there is not much to do besides go nuts and do a plastic or aluminum belly pan. I looked into it once and for the whole under body in .032 aluminum it was only about 10 lbs

But with all of that said. I think the 1gas are probably some of the most aerodynamic cars out there for their time. Probably even better than a lot of new cars

 

[pneumo]

Yup, 1G and 2G have small frontal area and low drag coefficient. Here's a fun page with some good tech info The Mayfield Company Homepage - Coefficient of Drag Tables and Curves
Combine the low drag area with massive power and it's nearly an ideal platform for top speed racing.