The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[1qkfwd]

Speaking of your yellow 1g, how many passes can you get with your 1 gallon fuel cell? Do you have to top it off after each pass or can you get several passes out of it before refilling? I am trying to decide on a fuel cell and I will be installing mine up front too so it will have to be very small.

My 1 gal cell with my 6262 set at 28-29lbs, I can get 2 full passes. I tried for a third and it was enough to just take a cruise down the track but it ran completely out right after the time boards. Less power I might have been able to squeeze out a 3rd pass but I dont think I would want to chance it. Now I just top it off after every pass.

 

[pneumo]

Yeah, 118.13 mph is my fastest mph on the 14b. That run wasn't my best 60' time, so there was more in it. I was on drag radials at the time. Who knows what I would've run if I had lightweight slicks and cut a 1.4X 60' time on that setup!

 

[SBstar]

Especially coming from the topic starter, i'm starting to think i have misunderstood the whole point of this thread. Was this thread started for record chasing or having some fun with small turbo's? ../signs out

Absolutely a thread to cover all things drag racing 14b! But, as most people want to go as fast as possible at the track it's beneficial to analyze those who have fastest/quickest in order to go faster yourself. Not everyone is going for a record, I know personally I will probably never hold it, but it's fun to move up the list. If your running 14's those in this thread can help you get 13's, or 13's to 12's and so on. It's about beating your own record as much as "the record".

 

[1qkfwd]

And its almost more fun tinkering with these little turbos than it is bolting on a big turbo and going fast. Not many people know how to effeciently max out a turbo. They just upgrade sometimes to soon.

 

[SBstar]

Yeah, 118.13 mph is my fastest mph on the 14b. That run wasn't my best 60' time, so there was more in it. I was on drag radials at the time. Who knows what I would've run if I had lightweight slicks and cut a 1.4X 60' time on that setup!

Just to tease ya please no one take this too seriously. 400 lbs. lighter to match Phil, and cutting his 1.48 sixty puts your run at 10.96 give or take the hundreths

Of course thats the 100lbs. equals a tenth and the straight .15 reduction in the sixty. Makes ya want to go back to the 14b doesn't it?!?!

 

[Phil1320]

Yeah, 118.13 mph is my fastest mph on the 14b. That run wasn't my best 60' time, so there was more in it. I was on drag radials at the time. Who knows what I would've run if I had lightweight slicks and cut a 1.4X 60' time on that setup!

....your MPH most likely would not have been as high as your 118

Just to tease ya please no one take this too seriously. 400 lbs. lighter to match Phil, and cutting his 1.48 sixty puts your run at 10.96 give or take the hundreths

Of course thats the 100lbs. equals a tenth and the straight .15 reduction in the sixty. Makes ya want to go back to the 14b doesn't it?!?!

Sounds great but when it came down to it I don't think the basic rule of .10 per 100 lbs. would apply.

Especially coming from the topic starter, i'm starting to think i have misunderstood the whole point of this thread. Was this thread started for record chasing or having some fun with small turbo's? ../signs out

Take it as you like. I have my main focus, that's all. Everyone should come here for their own reasons and they may not be the same. It's been a long time since I started this thread, and alot has changed.

 

[pneumo]

Just to tease ya please no one take this too seriously. 400 lbs. lighter to match Phil, and cutting his 1.48 sixty puts your run at 10.96 give or take the hundreths

Of course thats the 100lbs. equals a tenth and the straight .15 reduction in the sixty. Makes ya want to go back to the 14b doesn't it?!?!

Yeah, almost! Except right now I'm currently building my car for 1/2 mile events like this one shift-s3ctor.com

 

[SBstar]

I'm just ribbing ya, plus we all know it doesn't work just like that.

 

[Phil1320]

A good street tire/drag radial with a reinforced sidewall even with 15 psi in it will generally generate more trap speed than a wrinkle wall slick at 8-12 psi. The only thing that may throw a curve ball at this is if your street tire is significantly wider than the slick. Throw a slick on in place of a street tire and basically "eliminate" slip, the MPH seems to slip away with it....rolling resistance increases with slicks, and depending on how much heat the slicks take on during the run can decrease some......but, since we don't heat the tires too much....it's hard to say. If I remember correctly, with 20-25 psi in the slicks(first time on slicks) I ran 116+, but once I was down around 12 psi or less, 115.1 was the highest mph and the average was 113-114.

 

[SBstar]

Phil? Were you doing any burnouts on the slicks before runs? If so what was your method and how did it work. Obviously most awd's I see try to do burnouts maybe get a little squeak if they're lucky. Also on the mph front, most street tires and drag radials are of a smaller diameter then slicks, and that diameter changes even more with less tire pressure (at least until they're spinning and at max diameter). Taller tires usually means more mph. I'm pretty sure most are using 24.5 slicks, but anyone remember if Joe was using 24.5''s or his 26"s?

 

[Phil1320]

Phil? Were you doing any burnouts on the slicks before runs? If so what was your method and how did it work. Obviously most awd's I see try to do burnouts maybe get a little squeak if they're lucky. Also on the mph front, most street tires and drag radials are of a smaller diameter then slicks, and that diameter changes even more with less tire pressure (at least until they're spinning and at max diameter). Taller tires usually means more mph. I'm pretty sure most are using 24.5 slicks, but anyone remember if Joe was using 24.5''s or his 26"s?

Nope, no burnout, just a quick launch to try to get all the crap from the pits off the slicks. No attempts to warm them by any means. I'll get some air in one of my slicks and measure against my drag radials for a diameter comparo. Bucci was on 26'' slicks, but only two with the skinnies out back. I think for AWD, the 24s are as close to perfect as you can get.

 

[1qkfwd]

Bucci switched to the 26s when he was running the 16g.

 

[Phil1320]

Phil? Were you doing any burnouts on the slicks before runs? If so what was your method and how did it work. Obviously most awd's I see try to do burnouts maybe get a little squeak if they're lucky. Also on the mph front, most street tires and drag radials are of a smaller diameter then slicks, and that diameter changes even more with less tire pressure (at least until they're spinning and at max diameter). Taller tires usually means more mph. I'm pretty sure most are using 24.5 slicks, but anyone remember if Joe was using 24.5''s or his 26"s?

Nope, no burnout, just a quick launch to try to get all the crap from the pits off the slicks. No attempts to warm them by any means. I'll get some air in one of my slicks and measure against my drag radials for a diameter comparo. Bucci was on 26'' slicks, but only two with the skinnies out back. I think for AWD, the 24s are as close to perfect as you can get.

Bucci switched to the 26s when he was running the 16g.

So, he never made 14b passes on 26''? Confirmed?

 

[1qkfwd]

I tried to find it earlier. I don't remember if it was on fb or here. I've been trying to keep close to what he ran when he ran the record time. It's only a for sure way to get close. I'll do some more digging.

 

[Phil1320]

I tried to find it earlier. I don't remember if it was on fb or here. I've been trying to keep close to what he ran when he ran the record time. It's only a for sure way to get close. I'll do some more digging.

Well, if he had the thinnies out back for the 14b record runs, then I'm pretty certain he was on the 26''. I don't think he ran the record passes on those 5 spoke street alloys he had when he was in the 11's.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Well, if he had the thinnies out back for the 14b record runs, then I'm pretty certain he was on the 26''. I don't think he ran the record passes on those 5 spoke street alloys he had when he was in the 11's.

I think he had the skinnies from the start, even with the 22" X 8 ET drags. Goodwill4

 

[SBstar]

Pics on the goodwill site from the "tens" track day show the 5 spokes. There's no mention in his log about switching to 26" slicks.

Goodwill9

There's no other track day mentions so it appears he went from a best of 11.2 straight to 10.8! Having spoken to him before about it, the big changes were the liquid to air and the haltech ecu for tuning. But, from his log it appeared that he had those before the shootout. 4 tenths is a huge drop, it came from somewhere!

 

[1qkfwd]

With the fwd trans 26" slicks are way to big for that ratio. Low power guys run 22s and the higher power guys run 24.5s. Joe later switched to an awd trans which is when he went 26" slick. Again with the awd trans low power guys runs 24.5s and higher power cars run 26s.

Me tryin to find out his exact setup I asked what trans was in the car when he went 10.8 and it was mentioned that he was still on the fwd trans. It wasn't til later with the 16g and closer to the 9sec passes that he switched to awd trans and 26s.

 

[SBstar]

With the fwd trans 26" slicks are way to big for that ratio. Low power guys run 22s and the higher power guys run 24.5s. Joe later switched to an awd trans which is when he went 26" slick. Again with the awd trans low power guys runs 24.5s and higher power cars run 26s.

Me tryin to find out his exact setup I asked what trans was in the car when he went 10.8 and it was mentioned that he was still on the fwd trans. It wasn't til later with the 16g and closer to the 9sec passes that he switched to awd trans and 26s.

Really? That explains a bit actually, I was working on the assumption from something he stated that he had been on the awd trans with the 14b stuff Makes more sense now.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

With the fwd trans 26" slicks are way to big for that ratio. Low power guys run 22s and the higher power guys run 24.5s. Joe later switched to an awd trans which is when he went 26" slick. Again with the awd trans low power guys runs 24.5s and higher power cars run 26s.

Me tryin to find out his exact setup I asked what trans was in the car when he went 10.8 and it was mentioned that he was still on the fwd trans. It wasn't til later with the 16g and closer to the 9sec passes that he switched to awd trans and 26s.

Interesting. I was planning on running a 24.5" rim on my 14b FWD but with you are saying and with what Joe was running, a 22" seems to be a better match. Is that what you are going to run too?

 

[1qkfwd]

I'm trying to track down some 22x8x15s. I have 22x8x13s, but they are on a 4x100 Honda wheel and I'd have to swap out my spindles for the mirage ones to make that work. If I don't find 22x15" I'm gonna run my 24.4x8x15" until I get the 22s. I don't know if the 24.5s will work. I know that I had no issues at all running my 26s with a 16g setup in 04. The car at that time was 12.0-12.1@114 on pump gas. So it seems that there was no bad side affects of running a big slick with less power than I'm turning with the 26s now.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

I'm trying to track down some 22x8x15s. I have 22x8x13s, but they are on a 4x100 Honda wheel and I'd have to swap out my spindles for the mirage ones to make that work. If I don't find 22x15" I'm gonna run my 24.4x8x15" until I get the 22s. I don't know if the 24.5s will work. I know that I had no issues at all running my 26s with a 16g setup in 04. The car at that time was 12.0-12.1@114 on pump gas. So it seems that there was no bad side affects of running a big slick with less power than I'm turning with the 26s now.

I was already planning on running a 13" rim, I have the small 1g FWD brakes so it shouldn't be problem clearance wise. I'll keep looking into the 22" slick though. M&H also makes a 23x8x13 or 22x8.5x15 that is in between the 22 and 24.5. I wonder if Joe still spinning with the 8" wide slick? That is my biggest fear after still have huge traction problems with my 225/50/16 Hoosier DR's. I know they aren't the same as a bias ply slick but they are 24.9x8.9x16.

 

[1qkfwd]

Last time I checked it was 22" for 13" and 23" for the 15" wheel.

The 14b setup can only be pushed so far. I really didn't wanna have to buy such a small slick new. Worse case I reinstall my awd trans and I can run the 24.5s.

I forgot all about the base model sporting 14" wheel from the factory. I just can't downgrade now since I drilled my hubs out for a 1/2 r/t x 3.5" wheel stud so I can comfortably run my weld draglite wheels.

Your gonna need to step up outta those radials and into a bias ply to get that car to hook good. Just the the bias ply runs makes all the difference. The radial is just to stiff to leave enough footprint on the ground.

 

[Arthris]

I found this site not too long ago. IDK how well there compound is. When I can afford to order all 4 slicks from them I was. Maybe someone can try them and let us know how they are.. 16" Drag Tires

 

[1qkfwd]

From what I read off that site, I wouldn't trust any retreaded tire.