t04b(v-trim) Bolt on Discussion

[RavenX]

I don't understand what all the fuss is. The to4b that Bullseye offers flows 48 LB/min, the B52 flows 52. That is about 6% more flow. Bulleye offers the H3 as the next step up, that should be comparable too. So what's the big deal? Is there some magic with 50-trim that I don't get?

I want to know as well

 

[SpoOLxExO]

Sooo...

Exactly what kind of numbers are people getting with the t04b?

Has anyone hit the 11's yet with one of these turbos?

 

[khendriksma1]

I want to know as well

I am just checking all of my options. The B-52 is about the same price as the T04B V-trim package (with install kit) and has more flow. Plus, it probably has a little more lag which could be a good thing for someone with FWD like myself. I don't like to limit my options to what "everyone else" is doing.

 

[RavenX]

I am just checking all of my options. The B-52 is about the same price as the T04B V-trim package (with install kit) and has more flow. Plus, it probably has a little more lag which could be a good thing for someone with FWD like myself. I don't like to limit my options to what "everyone else" is doing.

Actually you don't want too much lag. Am fwd drive too and i wen't ahead with the t04b instead of the h-3. With the cams i would see full boost by 4,000 and thats right where i want it to be anything above that and it will be too laggy for me. But you might have a different aproach to it

 

[khendriksma1]

OK, I am just having a hard time deciding what to buy. The T04B V-trim, T04B H3, T04E 50-trim, or the B-52 (T04B-52). I realize that they are all similar in power and price and that is part of the reason that this is a difficult decision. Any of them will probably be a huge increase in power over my ported T-28. I only have 6500 miles on my motor but I don't have forged internals so I am limited for the max power it can handle. I think I was told that about 400WHP is about the max for stock internals. I guess I am leaning towards one of the T04B's because of the lack of clearance problems with the water pipe & fans.

 

[RavenX]

OK, I am just having a hard time deciding what to buy. The T04B V-trim, T04B H3, T04E 50-trim, or the B-52 (T04B-52). I realize that they are all similar in power and price and that is part of the reason that this is a difficult decision. Any of them will probably be a huge increase in power over my ported T-28. I only have 6500 miles on my motor but I don't have forged internals so I am limited for the max power it can handle. I think I was told that about 400WHP is about the max for stock internals. I guess I am leaning towards one of the T04B's because of the lack of clearance problems with the water pipe & fans.

If you don't plan on passing 450whp then get a TO4B as it will provide all the power you will ever need. Now if you want to go higher when ever you get a chance to upgrade the internals they go with something higher

 

[joeracer321]

I would say that the V-trim is probably what you are looking for. But the H3 would give a little more potential if you ever upgrade the internals. That could be what you need to think about, what your long term plan for the car is.

 

[khendriksma1]

Just for reference, would you consider the V-trim to be 30% more power than my ported T-28? More %? Less %? This would be without changing anything else on the car. I already have all of the other supporting mods that I need for 400hp, possibly a little more.

I realize that the V-trim has up to a 450hp potential but it seems that would be in a perfect world on a perfectly set up car. I don't hear of many people reaching the turbo's advertised potential very often. It also seems that the turbo would have to work quite a bit harder as it nears the top of it's range.

 

[nazthug]

Sooo...

Exactly what kind of numbers are people getting with the t04b?

Has anyone hit the 11's yet with one of these turbos?

this is quickly going to turn into a shitstorm about how s16g's have run 11's and the t04b hasnt yet

oh well, doesnt bother me, i know my t04b pulls harder then my 16g ever did, simple as that

Im sure with some time, there will be great times, wont probably be from me since im a FWD and im not a HUGE drag racer

That rigged stock drain scares me btw....im always worying about loosing oil somehow, one of the things i hate about modifying cars, everything you put on has a chance of failing or something...i always check my stuff, and recheck, for leaks, or anything irregular...

 

[1993eclipseGS]

i know my t04b pulls harder then my 16g ever did

I think everyone that went from a 16g, To this turbo can also agree.

 

[sweet97]

Sooo...

Exactly what kind of numbers are people getting with the t04b?

Has anyone hit the 11's yet with one of these turbos?

I have an AGP 50 trim that comes with the Bullseye turbine housing. This housing is so BEEFY! I have not hit 11's, 12's 13's nor 14's. Haven't been to a track.
There are guys with the 50 trim that are still in the low 12's. 11's could require a degree of street driveability that may be compromised and not all are willing nor looking for that type of car. I was running an EVO III before this 50 trim. I wanted more pull in 3rd and 4th gear. If guys hit 11's with the EVO they will hit that with these to4b's. Not everyone has a HP or timeslip in mind for their cars. Mark

 

[RavenX]

I agree with everyone that has posted so far. I am fwd as well and not a huge drag racer either and the to4b was the turbo i was looking to upgrade for me. The pull is so nice i love it

Jay

 

[1029TSG]

Well if its any consolation, I have personally run an 11.77 at 114.35 on this turbo. It was a test unit back a few years ago when we were first running one of our prototype housings. It was a full weight 2g AWD with all the supporting mods.

 

[SpoOLxExO]

Oh thank god!

A real Answer!

I am glad all of you are "Happy" and the turbo "pulls like a mother", but I am truley interested into what Kind of performance It will actually dish out.

I Have a Galant VR4 w/ Every supporting mod. What was that 2g equipped w/ on that 11 second pass?

*intrigued

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Sorry, I did not intend to cut on your company. The only reason I was askingBullseye if they sold them is because until last week, I had never heard of your company before AND I am only about a 45-minute drive from Bullseye in Muskegon, MI. Do you offer a 24-month "No Hassle" warranty like Bullseye does? That is something that I DEFINITELY want.

Kevin

yeah bud, i was just giving you a hard time man. . We do offer the 24 months warranty on all bullseye products.

 

[1029TSG]

I was hoping one of our customers would be able to bring some track times or dyno numbers to this thread. Considering its the "off season" and most of you have just recently installed this turbo I thought I would share my personal experience. It was a typical set up for testing different turbo combinations.

FMIC rated at 1000+ cfm's
Webcams "street" grind
EFI PMS
FIC 750's
1g intake and TB
Ported 2g manifold
3" o2 eliminator turbo back
T04B V-trim 22 psi
ACT 2600

1.65 60'
7.70 1/8 at 91
11.77 at 114

 

[SpoOLxExO]

So with cams, you only trapped 114?

Thats a bit strange. I know a few stock 1g cammed, EVOIII guys locally, that are getting 117-118mph. And with no-where near 1000CFM flowing FMIC's.

Can you elaborate?

Also how much timing was givin on that run?

 

[yo2001]

117-118 on evo3 with stock cams? Must be FWD

ShapeGSX is the one that I know of that went 118mph on AWD. He's got cams.

Typo edit

 

[1029TSG]

I can't explain the trap speed, 3400+ pounds with driver? head wind? tuning? I'm not really sure. I usually run about 27-28 degrees of timing on a mix of race and pump gas.

 

[SpoOLxExO]

No, not an EVOVIII. I said EVOIII turbo. AWD.

Shape does have cams. But Matt Thomas has a 1992 GSX that trapped 117 on stock 6-bolt engine.

I am not asking to argue about numbers in my local club.

I am asking why this super dooper turbo only trapped 114 mph with a GTR skyline sized FMIC and Cams, when a milder setup with a EVOIII trapped 117 mph in my local club.

Uhh, pump gas? Elevation?

Can 1029tsg elaborate please?

 

[yo2001]

So since one 1G went to 117mph with e16G, it means this turbo is not good? I mean there is so much more veriable than just 1G, e16G, and 117mph.

Not mocking on e16G. I know, I had one. went 113.7mph on 24psi (couldn't get to flow anymore) in mid 80 degree weather. no fancy stutterbox nor agressive tuning.

Dave is just going to have to send me this turbo so I can test it.

 

[1029TSG]

I can't hardly keep them in stock. I'm sure someone will put up the numbers that the skeptics are wanting to see.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

If you are doubting the turbo buy it, and try it?

Why are N/T cars running better times them AWD turbo cars?

Why are stock t25's running better times the the 16g?

Look at the times list on this site....

 

[SpoOLxExO]

So since one 1G went to 117mph with e16G, it means this turbo is not good? I mean there is so much more veriable than just 1G, e16G, and 117mph.

I never said that. Besides We at NEWENGDSM don't run huge turbo setups at 13 sec ET's
We run 14bs in the 12's and 11's, EVOIII's into the 11's and 20g's into the low 11's.
A whole club that runs killer times on small setups. Thats us.

So when someone only gets 114 mph when they should be getting like 125 I wanna know what the deal is.

Not mocking on e16G. I know, I had one. went 113.7mph on 24psi (couldn't get to flow anymore) in mid 80 degree weather. no fancy stutterbox nor agressive tuning.

Well there ya go, you yourself wanted a bigger turbo and went with it, great. You couldn't get the same traps as some of the guys in my club and went to a bigger turbo, super.

I wasn't asking you anything actually....

I was asking if 1029 TSG could elaborate, not anyone else.

I mean, c'mon I might be iterested in this turbo. I just gotta have facts. Just because I don't lay down and buy a big turbo like 95% of these guys do, your gunna give me flak for asking decent questions? WOW, that sounds like something a religous cult would do.

ANy turbo information? This thread has been going along for 26 pages of people asking questions, and people saying that they love their turbo.

I personally, actually want to go fast. So is this the right turbo for me and my fully supported, Galant VR4?

Thats all I'm asking.

 

[nazthug]

Oh thank god!

A real Answer!

I am glad all of you are "Happy" and the turbo "pulls like a mother", but I am truley interested into what Kind of performance It will actually dish out.

I Have a Galant VR4 w/ Every supporting mod. What was that 2g equipped w/ on that 11 second pass?

*intrigued

i'll have dynoes next week

its logging 31lb of airflow at about 15 psi