ECMlink SD Tune is gone after Aeromotive FPR install... DSMLINK HELP!

[Archer Fabrications]

If your fuel is already dialed in then it should be as simple as changing VE cells along a tracked WOT log to make the actual AFR match the target. Then of course smooth around the changes.

This is of course only for WOT tuning.

As for the misfiring, I would bet that its due to spark blowout.

what do you mean blow out?

fyi plugs: bpr8es
wires: 129k mile stock wires? (will change these to NGK's)

 

[ZenkaiRacerDsM]

what do you mean blow out?

fyi plugs: bpr8es
wires: 129k mile stock wires? (will change these to NGK's)

The spark can actually get blown out kind of like a candle flame will when you blow on it.

When running higher then stock boost levels you almost always have to reduce the spark plug gap to prevent blowout. Do you know what your gap is set to?

I would definitely change those wires out as well.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

The spark can actually get blown out kind of like a candle flame will when you blow on it.

When running higher then stock boost levels you almost always have to reduce the spark plug gap to prevent blowout. Do you know what your gap is set to?

I would definitely change those wires out as well.

.028 i believe. I just got a gapper to double check, and while i was at NAPA they dont even carry BPR8ES in stock WTF???

OR a compression tester....

i will tell you guys that map i made worked well for a bit then i tried doing a 3rd gear pull to redline and i think i ####ed something up i had a few misfires in the 5k rpm range and i backed out but when i got home and backed into my parking spot.. i heard weird noises comming from what i thought to be the head... everytime ireved i heard this nasty ticking/grinding noise i think it could be a rocker/lifter and hoping its not a valve... timing belt was still tight and everyting

 

[Archer Fabrications]

just wanted to say thank you for all of you that recomended the evo8 mod 1 timing table for my car... might have thrown a rod bearing cause of it...http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/432897-bad-ticking-noise-when-reving.html i switched to the low timing table again and ran the pull in that thread... but i think the problem was already there before i switched back to lower timing... due to the pull i made on evo timing

 

[Calan]

Do people really find it that hard to use their own brain and not expect a computer or some Auto adjusting feature to fix things for them?

I don't understand how it can make anything that much easier?

In the case of my LinkTools program, the idea is to automate a lot of the tedious math, improve the visualization of the data, and to some extent improve the accuracy of the corrections. But as I've said many times, there is no such thing as a magic button; you still have to have a good understanding of what is going on and what you are trying to accomplish.

just wanted to say thank you for all of you that recomended the evo8 mod 1 timing table for my car... might have thrown a rod bearing cause of it...

You didn't throw a rod bearing or anything else because of the Evo 8 mod 1 maps; those maps are actually more conservative than the stock 2G maps.

If something went south solely because of the tune, then you had to have been knocking like crazy and/or AFRs were not matching what you were targeting. An AFR of 10.1:1 and max timing of 12-13* is overly safe on a 2.0L running 91 or better, especially with a turbo that is still on the map.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

well i cant figure out what it is if thats the case.. something just doesnt sound right on it.. im going to do a slow cruise and see if i hear ticking.. the head looked fine im just probably more paranoid then anything.. but i do hear something and you can hear it in the video i posted in the other thread.. thanks for making the link tools program though i think it really gave me a good understanding of how the curve in the VE table should be

my afrs would dip to a 9:1 but for like a 1/4 of a second but for the most part stay consistant in the 11.1 to 11.7:1 range...timing with the evo map.. at the hit of my boost when i got knock... was at 21* not inclduing my +5* base timing... so 26* comming into full boost... with a good steady AFR.. but i got 6 degrees of knock that time and that was the only pull i ran with the evo timing map.. switched back to low timing map after that with a steady -3 degrees at full boost... got misfires and exhaust cut out noises when doing a 3rd gear pull to redline... i just cant figure out wtf is going on with my dsm right now... the ticking.. and the misfires... the next thing im gonna do is cruse slowly see if i hear anything. then do an oil change and hope its clean of flakes, and then replace my spark wires cause they look pretty nasty... compression was good 185 190 185 185 but yeah... i cant help but think my rod bearings are GOING out... which i hope to god not because at 3200 miles that would be tragic for me after all the cash i already dumped in to this motor.. but i guess live and learn thats dsms right? all that means is another few months of saving up

 

[Calan]

my afrs would dip to a 9:1 but for like a 1/4 of a second but for the most part stay consistant in the 11.1 to 11.7:1 range...timing with the evo map.. at the hit of my boost when i got knock... was at 21* not inclduing my +5* base timing... so 26* comming into full boost... with a good steady AFR.. but i got 6 degrees of knock that time and that was the only pull i ran with the evo timing map.. switched back to low timing map after that with a steady -3 degrees at full boost... got misfires and exhaust cut out noises when doing a 3rd gear pull to redline...

Where are these logs? Post them up.

If you were getting knock and the timing was as high as you say, then either something is mechanically wrong with the timing, or you were in a low-load area of the map and the knock was most likely PK.

If you were hitting 11.7:1 while at WOT, then airflow and/or fuel calibration wasn't correct, since the Evo8 Mod 1 fuel table is targeting 10.1:1 at the higher RPM and load points.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I believe the log is in this thread if not ill post it

 

[MY1GDSM]

just wanted to say thank you for all of you that recomended the evo8 mod 1 timing table for my car... might have thrown a rod bearing cause of it...

Not gonna even sugar coat this one if you had anything of the sorts happen it was nobody fault but your own or at least not anyones in this thread... . This is a big reason I don't try to help people as much as I can and other don't as well aside from the reasons stated before in the thread. Even if any number of the people that posted in the thread tuned your car perfect, something outside of the Tune mechanically could have been at fault. So many people are quick to point fingers away from themselves for things like this.

You drove around for how long on Fubar tune? and didn't heed our advice? aside from that what your describing your flat out not hitting the target's in DA. like Calan Said. so even if everyone suggested something more aggressive it wouldn't be our fault regardless. aside from the fact WE didn't load anything in YOUR Car.

I'm really curious to see what your plugs look like at this point... .Don't take what I'm saying too personally please. it's just hard to see something like this happen(if it's infact as bad as it sounds) after all the discussion in this thread.

Everything aside said before, I hope you that your car isn't screwed up. But I can't help but ask Have you fallowed and completed all the things that have been suggested from the start of the thread(and in a timely matter)?




Oh and Calan, I hope you didn't take that wrong before I guess I just do this stuff to much an Do the math in my head so much as well. I would just feel out of touch with things If wasn't doing it myself. Plus I see so many crazy VE maps from people trying hit that "magic button" along with not grasping what is at hand or using common sense(even if that isn't something that comes to them right away)...

 

[Calan]

Oh and Calan, I hope you didn't take that wrong before.

Not at all.

I guess I just do this stuff to much an Do the math in my head so much as well.

So, how do you figure out the contribution percentage of each VE cell in your head for any arbitrary point? That's some pretty impressive brain power there Mr. Hawking.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

plugs looked clean want a pic? i drove it today and didnt hear the same ticking so maybe its fine.. all im saying is the timing map didnt work out and im hitting the DA afrs pretty close, not perfect cause im still messing with the VE map as you can see in the pictures above... and if you dont help people as much as you could why help them at all? i wasnt blambing anyone for what happened, i was saying that the map of suggestion could have done something of course i loaded it, and did the pulls on it, but it was the first pull and it was a recommendation i took none the less


my1gdsm even if i did totally blow the motor (which i dont think i did) how would you feel knowing you said with 100% confidence to run higher timing.. and what if that was the cause of the motor blowing? just something to think about before you spout off "this is why i dont help people as much as i could" not trying to take it personally.. but yours was sort of a personal blow to be honest.

i appreciate everyone's help in this thread but i guess im onto figuring out what these noises are before i finish the tune and drive anywhere else... i dont think the motor is blown just hearing some interesting noises ill be back when i know whats up!

 

[Calan]

all im saying is the timing map didnt work out and im hitting the DA afrs pretty close

my afrs would dip to a 9:1 but for like a 1/4 of a second but for the most part stay consistant in the 11.1 to 11.7:1 range...timing with the evo map.. at the hit of my boost when i got knock... was at 21* not inclduing my +5* base timing... so 26* comming into full boost

This doesn't add up. The Evo 8 Mod 1 map targets an AFR of 10.1:1... which is much richer than "the 11.1 to 11.7:1 range", so you weren't even close to hitting your target AFRs. Those maps also target timing advance that is 12-15* max at full load; so if you were seeing "26* comming into full boost", either something was seriously wrong or we aren't getting the whole story.

I think there is a lot more to this than you are letting us in on. People don't normally just load up conservative maps and have major problems, and from the sound of it you weren't close to hitting the numbers you should have been with those maps.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

This doesn't add up. The Evo 8 Mod 1 map targets an AFR of 10.1:1... which is much richer than "the 11.1 to 11.7:1 range", so you weren't even close to hitting your target AFRs. Those maps also target timing advance that is 12-15* max at full load; so if you were seeing "26* comming into full boost", either something was seriously wrong or we aren't getting the whole story.

I think there is a lot more to this than you are letting us in on. People don't normally just load up conservative maps and have major problems, and from the sound of it you weren't close to hitting the numbers you should have been with those maps.

i changed maps since this log, i havent been running the same settings that didnt work out. and i said the timing didnt work not the afrs.. i already knew the ARFs were off and thats when i used link tools to try and smoothe things out, i havent posted a log since then except on the other thread which has the low timing on it. i am still getting things dialed in the 26* was including my base timing and was also giving an estamated timing degree. i havent looked at that log since i posted it because im on other maps right now

now that i think about it, i havent been hitting the top load numbers in my timing tables... even when it was at low timing it was -8 and iw as hitting -6+ 5* base true timing was -1


PS calan, link tools is pretty damn genius

 

[Calan]

So what maps are you on now?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

So what maps are you on now?

look at the thread link in my post called "bad noises when reving" there is a log right below the video that was the past pulls i did http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/432897-bad-ticking-noise-when-reving.html

and i know the ARFs arent matching and thats what im trying to get dialed in also

 

[Calan]

Wait... that is the original fubared table with the -8* timing. Are you running that again, after everyone has said multiple times to get off that table ASAP?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Wait... that is the original fubared table with the -8* timing. Are you running that again, after everyone has said multiple times to get off that table ASAP?

yes im on that timing after the evo timing ####ed my shit up was to much knock to even think about trying again

its not really fubar just low i had edited it to -3 in the -8 areas

i havent had any more sugguestions on the evo log that i did post to keep it too.... and im really sketchy about messing with it i dont know what is average to be hitting at full load with a 60lb/min turbo

 

[Calan]

Ok. Well good luck.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

sorry just a little frusturated lately.... i need to tackel this other thing first didnt mean to lash out

 

[MY1GDSM]

I'm gonna just stay on topic an leave this last part of the thread alone... .

But,
I am going to say one last thing. I really think it would do you some good to sit down and carefully re-read this entire thread and All that has been said... . then if you still don't understand why we are saying what we have just ask for clarification. I think that would get you a lot father then you have got so far.

Also FYI loading that map back up I highly doubt your going to get any help from anyone if you haven't figured that out... . I should speak for my self only there... But I won't get into all that as it's kinda off-topic as well

 

[snowborder714]

I'm going to close this thread, as a lot has gone on in here. Please take some time re-read it all, as well as the necessary pages on the link wiki. Maybe even do some general searching on car tuning to see what you can find that will help you with the theory part of it.

Then once you have your issue(s) figured out and are ready to tune again, make another thread and we'll start from scratch.