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1G Removed front bumper and found this

Posted by Joshua Tadich, Dec 22, 2019

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  1. Joshua Tadich

    Joshua Tadich Proven Member

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    15770326506908492316540227231753.jpg 15770326743223621403422715073360.jpg 15770327137437067713809804019848.jpg Good morning, so I'll start with this is a pretty clean over all 90 talon. Today I pulled the bumper to find this disaster hiding behind the cover. Obviouslt I need a bumper support but what else am I missing? And who has the parts? Post a pic of what it should look like if you have one on hand. Thanks for all your guys help I'll be looking around some more to see if I can find what I need.
     
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  2. Vegas smith

    Vegas smith Proven Member

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    It’s a big heavy part so either look for one locally or get a jmf lightened bumper support.
     

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  4. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    Just when you "think" you've seen it all....but you never have......OMG
     

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  5. Mech Addict

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    Is that a piece of Aluminum or PVC pipe? Either way that may not provide the level of safety that the manufacturer intended, if that matters (pause for laughter...). This makes me wince because I am frequently finding such customization (though not this particular one) on my "unmolested, bone stock" car from previous owners. While it is intriguing to imagine what someone was trying to "improve" upon the design of professional automotive engineers, what tends to dominate my thoughts on these items is where do I find the parts to put it back to right, and what's that gonna cost me (plus shipping!). Maybe you'll get that new bumper under the tree this year (If you've been good).
     

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  6. Murdertalon

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    What's the fuss about looks like a steel pipe reinforced crash bar, I've actually thought about making one of these for my 2g. Mostly because if someone bumps my car I want it to hurt their car more. It in theory also might stiffen up the frame slightly.
     

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  7. Ludachris

    Ludachris Founder & Zookeeper

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    That's an interesting solution. If it's steel it might still act as a crash bar but if you're driving it on the street and care anything about safety you'll want to be sure about that - that's a massive gamble for a street car. I almost replaced my crash beam with a tubular version to save some weight but retain safety, I had something a little more elegant than that in mind.
     

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  8. Joshua Tadich

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    It is a piece of aluminum tube. It's also only held in with one bolt each side. I saw it when I bought the car but with the bumper unit didn't look bad. Owell. I got a new bumper support coming now. Does it look like anything besides the support is missing?
     

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  9. Murdertalon

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    My buddy lik3s to cut the front end of these cars off and tube frame the entire front end, I'm in favor of tube reinforced everything.
     

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  10. Dhan

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    Whether you have the stock metal bumper in there or that aluminum pipe, you get hit hard enough and neither will do much to save you. That stock bumper is designed more for 5 mph bumps, not a life saving measure. The DSMs are 90s cars and unsafe compared to today’s cars regardless of what you do. 1g have some crumple zones and a stiff chassis, but that’s about it.
    I slammed into a guardrail sideways at about 45 mph in my Talon a few years ago. Would have set off side airbags in a modern car. Got off with a broken wrist. And after quite a bit of work, was able to repair the car and it’s still on the road today.
     

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  11. donniekak

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    That bumper provides only a mounting point for the bumper cover. It is not a safety device at all. It’s there to guarantee the car doesn’t get totaled in a 5mph or less collision.

    https://one.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/studies/bumper/index.html




    What is the purpose of bumpers?





    The car bumper is designed to prevent or reduce physical damage to the front and rear ends of passenger motor vehicles in low-speed collisions. Automobile bumpers are not typically designed to be structural components that would significantly contribute to vehicle crashworthiness or occupant protection during front or rear collisions. It is not a safety feature intended to prevent or mitigate injury severity to occupants in the passenger cars. Bumpers are designed to protect the hood, trunk, grille, fuel, exhaust and cooling system as well as safety related equipment such as parking lights, headlamps and taillights in low speed collisions.”
     

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  12. tstkl

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    Oh dear lord...

    A crash beam and a bumper are two very different things.

    Bumpers are typically foam.
    https://www.pacificmotors.com/wp-co...EM-Cadillac-XLR-2006-08-Note-282034964138.JPG

    Crash beams are steel or aluminum and very much so important to the safety of vehicle occupants.
    http://dacota-investigation-manual.eu/uploads/VarID445_2.png

    In the case of the 1g the front crash beam is literally the only thing that would allow any significant energy dissipation in the event of a front end collision as it would transfer the load to the primary frame rails in the front of the car. Without the factory crash beam a front end collision will transfer significant loads into the engine block itself which will not crumple and therefore transfer the loads directly to the firewall and possibly the occupants of the vehicle. Anyone driving one of these cars on a public road should use a factory crash beam.

    And ludichris, I would be very skeptical of a tubular design weighing less and providing more safety. The stamped steel design of the factory unit is very structurally efficient. Unless a higher quality material is used and youre talking about grams of weight savings.
     
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  13. Mech Addict

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    Several good points all around. Automobile safety in terms of accident protection has come quite a long way, and not really at the expense of performance, comfort, milage, or dependability. In fact, all those aspects have also improved dramatically at the same time (for those who believe we suffer from too many regulations). The most critical safety component is, if course the driver, and a close second is “other” drivers (or perhaps the other way round?). Because enthusiasts of DSMs work on their cars, understand their capabilities and limitations, and are attuned to the experience when driving them, I believe that results in enhanced safety over the “average” car/driver on the road. Hopefully getting that front end put back to stock is not a pain.
     

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    Idk about you guys but I've been in accidents both in standard cars and in tube frame cars. I can appreciate crumple zones, but in a bad accident I'd rather have a cage than crumple zones that close in. Have you guys seen the accident with the Evo going over at pikes peak? Roll cages are the best option for living. I was in a bad jarring accident in a razr that hurt like hell, I ended up with minor internal bleeding but no broken bones zero crumple zones, it will hurt but youll live.
     

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  15. donniekak

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    It’s not a crash bar. It’s not even solidly mounted to the frame. The steel bar is the bumper, the visible part with foam in it is just the cover.

    I hit a wall going 80+ mph in a 1 g with no bar, of course the car was totaled but I was fine, and the front end wasn’t even smashed real bad with an impact hard enough to wrinkle the back quarter that didn’t even hit anything.
     

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  16. Mech Addict

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    Classic examples of anecdotal evidence. Might be true, might not, but you can’t base a meaningful conclusion on such limited data. Yes, tube frames can add a lot of resistance to deformation, but why would auto makers spend so much effort on crumple zones and airbags, if some simple steel tube would provide better safety in the majority of cases. This is why manufacturers have their vehicles tested using standard methods. As was already stated, the possible weight saving of a non-factory bumper reinforcement is negligible for equivalent protection. Best reason to do it would be clearance issues with custom radiator, intercooler, or bodywork. In this case the owner is making a good choice by returning to stock as long as no interference crops up with the aftermarket cooling parts.
     

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