Racing Block or Stock?

[md528]

Question here, and forgive if it's been covered. I've searched as much as I can while at work and so far didn't see if this was covered...

I have a 93 Talon tsi, with about 183k on the clock. Next year, I plan on a rebuild for the 1/4 but still have it streetable. Although lofty, my goals are to run in the 10's (maybe 9's, ha!) and i'm not exactly sure what that would equate to in HP, but I'm thinking around 500-600? Anyway, is the stock block reliable for those figures? Is a racing sleeve job realistic or worth it for the stock block, or am I looking at buying a Stage II or III racing block from Bushur or similar? While $$ is somewhat of a factor, I'd rather do things right the first time around. Any thoughts?

Thanks and again, if this has been covered, sorry to repeat.

 

[xtreme-elements]

i have a fwd gs that has the bone stock engine with all bolt on mods and i run 13's.. my buddy has a 1991 tsi awd that has free mods and stage 1 stuff and he can only get 14's.. my point is that everycar will be different and drivers drive different.. while my buddy gets 14 sec runs, you could put shep in the same car and prob get 13's out of it.. some one here once said that you want to run 10's but you havnt run 12's yet?? best thing is to start from free mods, go stage 1 then stage 2 and if it aint enough, then go all out.. turbo selection is a big factor also, i have the small 16g which has nice power, but spools too fast for a fwd car.. i may be upgrading for the 2008 race season

 

[dsmulla]

Honestly, take a look at the upgrade path on this site. That would be one place to start. I have had bad experience in just throwing all the POWER parts together and hoping it to work together. I think the best approach is to build step by step and tunning is extremely important. I don't think you need go full race block and as you are saying you are also short on money. A mild stock rebuild should be enough and if built properly, it could reliable for a long time.

My suggestion to you, try to invest your money into parts that will get you 13's, then 12's, then 11's and then go from there. Its funny, right underneath the Newbie forum sub heading it talks about questions regarding people wanting to run 9's and 10's before the have reached 12's.

Don't take that in a negative way but rather a positive. Oh by the way, on the topic of searching, there are enough threads on your question so try searching harder.

Cheers

 

[90laserRSfwd]

Like dsmulla said, there are alot of threads about your topic.. I'd say a good set of rods and pistons will get you SAFELY into the 500 to 600 range. Good tuning is very important!

 

[daarkness92]

unless you have unlimited amounts of money to build a car like that, then dont kid yourself, now dont get me wrong we all do and wish we have cars like that, and some guys actually do, but what i find is better to do, is to set attainable goals according to my budget, and like stateted above follow the mod list provided, it may seem very beginnerish but it really does work for alot of people, and although it may not sound like a very fast car, you can build a consistant 12 second car without emptying your bank account and smoke pretty much any other car running on the street.

 

[snowborder714]

To get to those kind of numbers and times, you're going to need A LOT of money and an extensive knowledge of how to tune these cars (or even more money to pay someone to tune it for you). Yes, you can build a bulletproof block, but if you tune sucks, you will get nothing out of it.

If you are serious about getting into the 10's and 9's, maybe you should call up some of these shops that build these cars and race them (Magnus Motorsports, Slow Boy Racing, Street Tuned Motorsports, etc.) and talk with them about your goals and see what they have to say. There are people on this forum running a stock 7 bolt block pushing over 400whp and there are people with a fully built block pushing 300-something.

Do a lot of reading and talk with people who do this for a living. They are your best resources.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

If you looking for a 9 or 10 secs DSM then it'll be a huge investment. You'll not only need a stage III+ shortblock you'll need a rebuilt transmission, drivetrain, etc... And you'll need to learn how to drive. Just think before you get yourself into this first. It will be a long term rebuilding process and a reasonable money investment of at least $5k + labor.

 

[md528]

Thanks for the input guys, very helpful! You guys are right that I should probably start out a little more reasonable and work my way up the HP and experience chain. Just as every other enthusiast, I'm pretty eager to get going! I will try to spend a little more time searching the forums, I have some time before I get going with this. I have been doing some reading but I know I have a ton more to learn about DSMs.

 

[JayRolla]

If you build the setup right, dont waste money a high 10 sec car wont be too much. Build a basic stroker, with some good cams. The right turbo and e85 you will be set.

 

[md528]

I've seen some quick Talons around and read about some that the owner didn't go completely nuts to get the performance they were after. That's why I'm here, to learn and meet other DSMers, I've got a long way to go! Hopefully next season I'll meet more people at Bandimere and run my Talon just to get used to track rules and get the jitters out of the way! It's actually nice to know that a hi-10 sec car won't break the bank! Like a lot of you guys have said, it's having a good game plan and tuning it properly, the 4g's do have a lot of potential.