Prep work for chasing 16G records

[Nate Crisman]

Starting to work on my 1G in prep for chasing down the 16G records (9.97 and 10.33). My plan is to pull out some more weight and focus on optimizing engine power this season.


Progress thus far:

• pulled the car out of storage & washed it
• dropped the engine/trans
• gutted the engine bay and cleaned up most of the mess from the HG failure
• gutted the interior of all dash/console/plastics/carpet/brackets/hardware.
• removed the air/water intercooler system
• removed all of the wiring harnesses
• started weighing crap

Some pics from last 2 days:

Empty!

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Hatch area will get new sheetmetal skin for the floor and the aluminum box will be removed. It was made to fit a stock tank, but now it's just dead weight. Also have a few little scraps of tar sound deadner to remove and I'd like to try to clean off the remnants and spraypaint the interior consistent black.

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I took the stock 14lb dashboard assembly and broke it down..got all the foam and steel off to where it's just the plastic inner shell (3.2lb now). Im planning to further cut it up so there are 4 mounting points just around the oem gauge cluster. Retaining the oem gauge cluster is the cheapest and simplest method and also retains the speed input to the ecu.

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Dash plastic shell will be chopped off from the center console area to the pass side. Only the area around the gauge cluster will remain.

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Door panels were 14.4lb for the pair. Planning to remove all the window tracks and mechanicals making the windows held in place by simple aluminum brackets for another 5-7lb savings. Looking into thin aluminum sheet to "skin" the door. The crash bar and some inner sheetmetal was already removed in 2005.

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I can't bear to remove the foam the Ryan took hours to carve, so I think the rear seat area is just going to get a thin sheet aluminum skin cover.

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Engine bay after a quick wash w/ foamy degreaser and then dishsoap & towel. It's still a mess of chipping paint and stains. I might consider removing the front bodywork and sandblasting the front chassis & spraypainting it again.

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Wing is 11.6lb total, but it just looks retarted without it. Not to mention all the holes. I guess wing is going back on:frown:

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Washed up....it's still dirty and the paint needs major cleaning/buffing/polishing and a real wax job (it's never been waxed since 2005)

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Brother-in-law is working on a new graphics scheme, possibly a partial wrap instead of cut lettering.:turbowop:

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[kidtsi]

Goodluck man!!! sounds like you are breaking the record...

 

[Silver99OZ]

Looks like your off to a great start, im looking forward to seeing more.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Weights removed so far:
76.4lb of interior (dash/console/carpets/door panels/brackets/misc hardware)
14.6lb of wiring harness that will be replaced with a simple 6 switch panel & 6 relays
58.0lb liquid intercooler setup (3 gallon tank, shurflo pump, ic core, hoses, filled w/ water)
3.8lb side mirrors

The 5speed pedal assembly was 11.6lb. will be replaced with one from an auto that should be lighter.
The steering column was broken down...figuring out a method of removing the height adjustment and welding a mounting bracket directly to the middle sleeve to make it lighter.
Im also going to see about some weight removal in the front chassis, maybe cutting the body forward of the side engine mounts and having some tube fabrication done to hold up the radiator and body parts.

I also went from 16" QTP slicks at 17.8lb each to 15" MT ET Drag slicks at 14.8lb: 12lb of rotating weight lost.
Obviously I'll need a set of 15" wheels, which should be lighter than the 16" wheel (I ran 3 different 16" wheels last year)

 

[hubz91talontsi]

16g nitrous record correct? What's the specs of the new motor?


Edit: I see now. TPG tuned evo3 just went 6.3 in the 1/4. Well, best of luck to you Nate. I'll be watching close.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Yes, the w/ nitrous record is Joe Bucci at 9.974. Pat Donaldson has the no-nitrous record with a 10.33. Im going to try and take both but Im more concerned with the overall 9.974. If I can beat that, I'll stop spraying it and work on the slower record. I'd have to stop anyway, as the car only has a 6pt rollbar for 10.0 ET and I have zero budget for upgrading the safety equipment to legally run 9's.

The bottom end is going to end up a mixup of salvaged parts from 3 different blown up motors combined & are all coming out of part-out cars!

• 2.0 Block +.020" w/ Manley pistons (one piston needs to be polished as the skirt has bearing material smeared on it from that motor's spun bearings).
• Crank & bearings are oem. Crank is out of my blown 2010 motor.
• Eagle Rods which came out of the 2g I just parted (it had a wrist pin issue that ruined the pistons/block)
• Timing belt parts, oil pump, water pump, pan are coming off last years motor.
• Head is a ported 2G head w/ SS valves, Ti retainers, and springs from the parted 2g. used
• GSX S2 cams w/ stock gears. used
• normal ARP headstuds used
• Mitsu MLS headgasket New
• Evo3 intake manifold, NT 1g TB.
• FP exh manifold used from parts car
• E3 16G off last years motor
• o2 housing with tial 44 external used off parts car
• stock fuel rail with FIC 1650cc bluemax injectors
• direct port nitrous plumbed into the intake manifold

Seriously, the only parts in the engine setup that haven't been upgraded is stuff that doesn't matter for power: timing belt, front case, oil pan, stock rail. And obviously still a plain jane Evo3 16g MHI turbo. It worked out fairly well budget wise as many of the upgrade parts were pulled from parts cars and the corresponding part off my car was sold for nearly the same value. I had wanted to degree the cams w/ adjustable gears and also measure piston/valve clearance to facilitate ordering the minimum thickness heagasket to increase compression as high as I could get, but spring is here and Im way behind schedule.

Im expecting to make significantly more power than last year.

• 1650's will allow me a much higher methanol %, if not 100%.
• 2g head/Evo3 intake should pick up significant midrange power
• GSC cams are a bit bigger than the 264/272's I ran last year.
• Bottom end is stronger and higher compression than the worn out oem motor.
• External wastegate should help me with more tunability of boost curve vs internal.
• I feel more confident in going big on the nitrous jetting with a 4 port vs the single nozzle in TB elbow. I did spend a few hundred on jets! . I have jetting combos to do between 100 and 175hp on E85, 50/50, and straight Meth.

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BTW: ??? that comment on TPG's evo3? typo? 6.3 in 1/8? Is it a 16g car?

 

[motozachl]

Shaved popups

IMO pick up some cromoly crossmembers from one of our freelancers to save some more weight

 

[DSMTyson]

Shaved popups

Winning.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Shaved popups

IMO pick up some cromoly crossmembers from one of our freelancers to save some more weight

Unfortunatly, the weight loss per dollar isn't good enough on those crossmembers to warrant buying it. Lexan windows and FG hatch are also on that list of poor investment $/lb for weight loss. It's $ that's far better spent on lighter wheels, aluminum driveshaft, or saved for lighter brakes.

I also still need to buy a set of 15" wheels for the smaller slicks, and I have my eye on a used/bent/beat set of 10lb Volks that I can get on the cheap end. Can't spend money on weight parts when I still need functional parts that are out of budget.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Yeah, nate thats a 16g car. I don't know much about this car. Its in the bahamas.. My guess is another high compression aluminum rod car.

 

[Bud92gsx]

I did not know this car had no interior, but it is badass..Gotta give love to another yellow 1g..

 

[housegsx]

Not to dimish you efforts but what is the point of sticking with a 16g? I can understand trying to get as much power out of one on a street car or a road race car where you are more concerned about spool time. But as a drag car, what is the point other than saying you have the record? Wouldn't you rather just put on a bigger turbo and go faster?

I realize this might sound like some newbie question that you'll want to flame, but think about my question first. It's awesome what you're doing, I just like to understand the reasoning behind it. Is it about budget control and seeing what you can do with limited resources?

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Not to dimish you efforts but what is the point of sticking with a 16g? I can understand trying to get as much power out of one on a street car or a road race car where you are more concerned about spool time. But as a drag car, what is the point other than saying you have the record? Wouldn't you rather just put on a bigger turbo and go faster?

I realize this might sound like some newbie question that you'll want to flame, but think about my question first. It's awesome what you're doing, I just like to understand the reasoning behind it. Is it about budget control and seeing what you can do with limited resources?

Maybe getting the record will make him feel accomplished. A 16g car is much cheaper to keep going down the track. Once he gets the record id imagine he will bump up to something bigger.

 

[dsm-onster]

A 16g car which comes remotely close to the record 16g runs is NOT cheap to keep going down the track. Yes it is a LITTLE cheaper in maintenance than a 9 second s372 build in a close to full weight car because the 16g just cant output more than 500whp even with the magic fairy dust. An e3 16g record chasing build costs more to build up initially. And that cab is not to snug and cuddly . Imagine how minimal the supporting mods would be for such a large turbo to push that tin can down the track . . . If he even just gets close to the record, then he gets my hat off to him. It's a feat.

At least having the auto will give him SOME relief in maintenance cost.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Not to dimish you efforts but what is the point of sticking with a 16g? I can understand trying to get as much power out of one on a street car or a road race car where you are more concerned about spool time. But as a drag car, what is the point other than saying you have the record? Wouldn't you rather just put on a bigger turbo and go faster?

I realize this might sound like some newbie question that you'll want to flame, but think about my question first. It's awesome what you're doing, I just like to understand the reasoning behind it. Is it about budget control and seeing what you can do with limited resources?

"We choose to chase arbitrary turbo records, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills."

The exactly point of doing this IS to say I have the record. The other factor in choosing to run a small turbo is that it's kinda "what I'v always done" which is work within a budget or limitation. I had alot of recognition in 2004 running a $2004 14b setup, which was fun. I can't describe exactly WHY I like maximizing a more basic setup, but I just do. I'd rather run a 9.99 on a 16g and have most DSM'ers impressed than slap on a GT35 and run 9.99 like everyone and their brother can and already has. What can I say other than Im a glory hound.

Another contributing factor is that this goal is JUST a tick faster than my safety equipment allows me to run. Im good with the 6pt rollbar to run 10.0 and 134mph, but hitting 9.99 @ 135 means I now need an NHRA liscense, a certified rollcage, window net, fire suit, amongst other things that are big $ that I don't have to spend. It's very feasable that Im able to work my way down close to the record without getting the tech guys at the track on my case and then crank it up for a glory pass and be done.

Also...Im planning to run in DST "stock appearing" class at the Buschur DSM Shootout, and I hope to bring the quickest & most consistent car and hope to win the class.

I really have no ambition to go faster than the 16g record, thus using any turbo bigger than a 16g is a waste of potential. Why would I want to put say, a GT35R on the car if I only want to go 9.99 and can only afford to go 10.0 or slower? Nothing would piss me off more than leaving performance on the table because I don't have the safety equipment to use it.

If/when i get that 9.973 or better....Im taking the nitrous off and going to try my best to run quicker than 10.33 on the E316g alone....for the no-spray record. After that, Im planning to put a 14B on the car and get those records back which are 10.61 and 10.86 respectively. (I had the 14b record in 2004 for a while until Bucci completely demolished me)

I did not know this car had no interior, but it is badass..Gotta give love to another yellow 1g..

Interior was just removed this week. 2010 it had dash/console/carpet/plastics and looked like a streetable car. This car was yellow in 2001 BTW, it's "been around the block" a few times.

Maybe getting the record will make him feel accomplished. A 16g car is much cheaper to keep going down the track. Once he gets the record id imagine he will bump up to something bigger.

Pretty much. This car was actually put together on the cheapest of cheap budgets. Vast majority of mods have been pulled off parts cars that have already turned a profit, one could argue that they are effectively free.

Once I get the record...Im slowing the car down to chase the next slower record in the chain of 16g/14b. If I somehow decide I want to run more 9's...it won't be till 2012 at the earliest, but I have a feeling I'll decide to keep the car slower, more reliable, and far cheaper.

Maybe I'll find some other goofy goal to chase. convert it to FWD or something

A 16g car which comes remotely close to the record 16g runs is NOT cheap to keep going down the track. Yes it is a LITTLE cheaper in maintenance than a 9 second s372 build in a close to full weight car because the 16g just cant output more than 500whp even with the magic fairy dust. An e3 16g record chasing build costs more to build up initially. And that cab is not to snug and cuddly . Imagine how minimal the supporting mods would be for such a large turbo to push that tin can down the track . . . If he even just gets close to the record, then he gets my hat off to him. It's a feat.

At least having the auto will give him SOME relief in maintenance cost.

Agree'd on the maintenance. power = danger and expense from blowing stuff up.

Im running a completely stock automatic trans, converter, and driveline. Only mod is the welded center diff (free), double stock flexplates (free), and shifting the trans noids with switches ($5).

The engine Im throwing together is literally the parts I could salvage out of three different engines that blew up. It's parts that I wouldn't feel comfortable selling since the one pistons is all goobered up, one eagle rod has a "loose" wrist pin bushing, and the crank has some lines on journals that Im hoping to polish out. Basically throwing unsellable crap together and crossing my fingers it holds together for a few track days. Im into it the cost of gaskets and effort, that's it.

 

[Phil1320]

Good luck Nate

 

[Bud92gsx]

Damm so your the origanal yellow 1g, damm my luck I'm number 2 always..But I wish you much luck in 2011..

 

[Nate Crisman]

Damm so your the origanal yellow 1g, damm my luck I'm number 2 always..But I wish you much luck in 2011..

It's actually been painted yellow twice!

2005 It was painted yellow for the second time, a more true yellow that matched the Evo8 color. (I had a yellow 03 evo8 at the time)

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Etown IDRC race in 2002 with the first yellow paint job that was done fall of 2001. The first yellow paint was a little more on the orange tinted side of true yellow.

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What it looked like in 2000 before it was painted yellow. Right before it was painted, it looked hillarious with a red fender, white doors, blue mirrors and ground effects, a turquoise wing, and white bumper covers.

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Like I said, the car has been around the block. It's been pretty much a racecar since 2002 and hasn't seen much street use other than a few trips on the road to/from the local dragstrip.

 

[Bud92gsx]

I like the current bright yellow the best ..

 

[Nate Crisman]

Finished up installing the nitrous kit on the intake manifold with bracket to mount the solenoids. Everything fit pretty well, I had to get little standoff's for the fuel noid so the dist block would sit on top of the other, but IMHO the whole setup is pretty sweet. I started out with .024 nitrous and .020 fuel jets....which should be good for 115hp at 950psi bottle pressure and a 3.3:1 N/F ratio at 40psi of base fuel pressure. It will be stupid rich on E85, mildly rich on 50/50 meth&E85, and likely just about right for 100% methanol. Always best to start out rich and tune from there, and I can always go up to a .026N jet for 125hp if it's too rich.

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[housegsx]

Very nice! And thanks for sharing what motivates you.

 

[spooling 1g]

Didn't curt brown go high 9's on a 16g also?

 

[Nate Crisman]

Didn't curt brown go high 9's on a 16g also?

10.33 is the no-nitrous 16g record (held by Pat Donaldson) as far as I know, in a 1g awd that Curt previously owned. I believe Curt went a few hundredth slower in a different car and also has gone 10.5 in a stock 16g evo8. But no 9's as far as we know.

 

[codeofdastreets]

Props to a cool and good guy.Good luck

 

[Vinny@dogbox]

Great lookin car, good luck with your goals!!!!