Old School FP Red!

[Sik95TSI]

Hey guys I've been doing research trying to find the most info on the Old School FP Red! FP right now is offering it at a killer price for the holidays and I'm in the market looking to upgrade my turbo but keep my DSM Flange... I talked to someone from FP and they said that the new RED was a little more responsive then the Old RED also the wheels are different. New RED I guess is a HTA and old RED is regular cast or steel wheel? I've had a New FP Green and saw full boost by like 4200RPM. But my power goals are higher now. Anyone have any personal experience with this turbo maybe give me a spool time? Car is mainly used for Drag Racing! Any info would be great thanks guys!

 

[donniekak]

I believe the "new" old school red has a 35r compressor, instead of the old 60-1.

 

[kidtsi]

If you are gonna go with the red, get the new one,. My new green logged 55lbs/min which I believe is very close to what the old red can produce "58lbs/min" dont quote me on that.

 

[Sik95TSI]

If you are gonna go with the red, get the new one,. My new green logged 55lbs/min which I believe is very close to what the old red can produce "58lbs/min" dont quote me on that.

FP's site says it's a 65lb/min wheel so I'm assuming it should outflow a new red or green?

Anyone have actual use maybe spool time? Thanks!

 

[bastarddsm]

It's been a long time since that was a popular turbo, so information might be hard to find. I do remember alotta guys went fast on them back in the day.

 

[turbotom]

Yeah the old school FP reds where killer but like anything else, as years goes on technology gets better and better. Who would ever thought you can use your stock ECU, chip it and use it as a stand alone?,.

 

[JusMX141]

I believe the "new" old school red has a 35r compressor, instead of the old 60-1.

I believe you're correct- by the wheel design in the photos, it's either a 3076 or 3582 compressor....based on the 65 lb/min rating, it's almost-definitely a 35R wheel. FP found a way to put the leftover compressors from their HTA turbos to good use.


"Old" old-school Red (60-1 Compressor- 59mm/76mm):

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"New" old-school Red (35R Compressor - 61mm/82mm):

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If it is a 35R wheel, of course this means the turbo is definitely capable of more airflow...but it's also likely to be even laggier than the 60-1 Red- a turbo which was universally-known as a laggy, race-only turbo.

 

[Sik95TSI]

I believe you're correct- by the wheel design in the photos, it's either a 3076 or 3582 compressor....based on the 65 lb/min rating, it's almost-definitely a 35R wheel. FP found a way to put the leftover compressors from their HTA turbos to good use.


"Old" old-school Red (60-1 Compressor- 59mm/76mm):

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"New" old-school Red (35R Compressor - 61mm/82mm):

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If it is a 35R wheel, of course this means the turbo is definitely capable of more airflow...but it's also likely to be even laggier than the 60-1 Red- a turbo which was universally-known as a laggy, race-only turbo.

Well I'm only doing drag racing so lag is no problem ill be slamming gears over 5k all the time .. So the new old school red good buy?

The new old school red outflows the new red correct? Or it should?

 

[JusMX141]

The new old school red outflows the new red correct? Or it should?

Larger compressors tend to outflow smaller compressors, yes.

 

[Sik95TSI]

Larger compressors tend to outflow smaller compressors, yes.

*rim shot* !! Cool! Guess I found my new turbo then!

 

[95talongirl]

Wow.. I was thinking about buying this turbo, but after seeing this, i believe that it will be too laggy for what i would like to do. However, the sale right now on it makes it very tempting to try!!

 

[92nolatist]

I bought this turbo back during their 4th of July sale and I can say that it does in fact have lag, I believe I full spooled around 4500, but my tune wasn't down pact so it might have been little better, and I also have gsc s2 cams so that might have something to do with it. However, at 25 pounds, this was a beast! I absolutely love this turbo and the fact that its mated to their FP manifold, and because I got to keep the dsm style flange. Unfortunately, I couldn't get any data on it because it blew up after like 2500 miles (because of mfg defect, which they fully warrantied BTW). Its currently sitting in my house awaiting to go back on... Let me know if you want to know any more info.

 

[95talongirl]

Could you get me the measurements on the inducer/exducer for the compressor and turbine wheels? Trying to do some comparisons.

.....so tempting...... Ugh!

 

[JusMX141]

Wow.. I was thinking about buying this turbo, but after seeing this, i believe that it will be too laggy for what i would like to do. However, the sale right now on it makes it very tempting to try!!

It's basically a journal bearing DSM bolt-on 35R, M.B.- if you don't have at least 850's (and that's being modest- it would be better to have 1000's), 272 cams, head studs, and the ability to run 25-30psi on a turbo that isn't going to make full boost until 4500+rpms then it would be wise to set the bar a little lower.

 

[95talongirl]

It's basically a journal bearing DSM bolt-on 35R, M.B.- if you don't have at least 850's (and that's being modest- it would be better to have 1000's), 272 cams, head studs, and the ability to run 25-30psi on a turbo that isn't going to make full boost until 4500+rpms then it would be wise to set the bar a little lower.

thank you! I do have all of that, except for the injectors. But I do have a set of 850's on my desk. However, after reading more about it, I don't think it's for me. For some weird reason I *thought* it was a smaller frame turbo; probably because of the price. I think I may be at the limit, or close to the limit with the 16g, so kinda shopping around for another turbo that could get me to the 400HP mark, but still have decent spool, since I'm starting to get into autocross.

I do want to talk to you more about that holset wastegate for the 16g. Part of me does still want to run the little guy. Maybe just run the car off some race gas and see what happens. But don't really want to put more money into that turbo if I'm thinking about changing it.

Winter. ugh... gets the mind wondering.

 

[JusMX141]

If that's your goal, you missed the deal of the century a month or so ago:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/vendor-announcements/450902-i-have-4-71htas-w-6sl2-shafts-749-a.html

Figure a good used Evo III is probably worth $300 or so....maybe another $50 if you include a quality j-pipe; the upgrade would've cost you $400-$450.

Next-cheapest option would be converting your Evo III into a billet 20G.

 

[SHEARER_TSI]

I actually talked to FP yesterday and I was told that the new HTA Red and the New old school red flw about the same but the new red with the hta wheel is much more responsive.

 

[dupstone]

I just signed up here, I have the turbo in question. Just installed last week, however I'm not making full boost till even like 6500 rpm. It makes 20 psi at about 6000 rpm. I have checked for boost leaks, the actuator is preloaded for "high" following FP's videos. The tune will not affect the turbo so much, I'm not sure what else to try.

I'm not sure what else could be wrong. Could the other owners of the "new" Old school red share their experiences with it please.

 

[92Talon98Eclipse]

Im interested in purchasing this "FP RED turbo". is it ok to run this turbo on a stock block? (7 bolt)...
i have some supporting mods now- 255 walbro, 860 cc injectors. fuel lab pressure regulator, ecmlink V3, FMIC, 3" turbo back.... do you think i would be able to use this turbo with my set up? ??

 

[habitatguy187]

however I'm not making full boost till even like 6500 rpm. It makes 20 psi at about 6000 rpm. I have checked for boost leaks, the actuator is preloaded for "high" following FP's videos. The tune will not affect the turbo so much, I'm not sure what else to try.

Base timing?

 

[Subie killer]

Just picked up a old school red. I have a 8.3:1 com ratio block ported cylinderhead and will be running on 94 pump . What sort of cam should I be looking at for that? I was originally going for the kelford 272/272 but possibly thinking I should jump up another cam. This will be a street car primarily but I'm not concerned much for streetablity as it will be more importantly be a race car a good chunk of the time too. I would like to stick to kelford because I can easily get those more so looking for suggestions on what model to get. Or would this be the same recommendedation as the new fpred I read in this thread?