Hypercoil springs on Megan Racing coilovers?

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Been searching but can't seem to find anyone that has done this. I'm on a fairly tight suspension budget, so I bought some Megan Racing coilovers, front and rear strut tower bars, adjustable rear control arms, and am gonna be throwing on RM front and rear sways and all poly suspension bushings. What I'm wondering is if anyone is running Hypercoil springs on their megan racing coilovers or if they think it will help. I know megan racing coilovers aren't the best or even come close to KW Variants or JIC's, but like I said its a budget suspension build so I don't wanna hear negative input like "those are cheap chinabay junk" etc
Thanks

 

[Absit]

If you put good springs on shocks with shit valving, you'll still have a shit suspension.
Start saving money.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

If you put good springs on shocks with shit valving, you'll still have a shit suspension.
Start saving money.

My impression was their spring rates were all a little different.. Not the most helpful answer.

 

[Absit]

How exactly did that not answer your question? I guess I don't know what you're looking for. Hypercoil offers springs in a variety of rates and lengths.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

How exactly did that not answer your question? I guess I don't know what you're looking for. Hypercoil offers springs in a variety of rates and lengths.

You just posted they'll technically be like shit still when I said in my first thread this is a BUDGET suspension build and I don't have an extra $1,600 on top of $1000 to spend on coilovers when the car is a DD, and for constructive criticism not some "they have shit valving so they're still gonna be shit suspension". And where is your proof the valving is shit? Everyone always can say something negative about something on the site but can never back it up..

 

[underradar92]

Why exactly do you want to drop an additional $400.00 on springs for a set of coilovers that already have springs?

To change rates? To have a higher quality spring on a damping-challenged coilover set? I'm not seeing why you want to do this. The spring quality/rate consistency is the least of the problem with the "low budget" type coilover sets.

Just what exactly are you trying to "help" by doing this?

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Why exactly do you want to drop an additional $400.00 on springs for a set of coilovers that already have springs?

To change rates? To have a higher quality spring on a damping-challenged coilover set? I'm not seeing why you want to do this. The spring quality/rate consistency is the least of the problem with the "low budget" type coilover sets.

Just what exactly are you trying to "help" by doing this?

Hypercoil springs are nowhere near $400 so I don't know what your looking at, and to know the spring rates are actually the same all the way around..

 

[TSiAWD666]

I think the smallest spring diameter available from hypercoil is 2.5", but that was something I read a long time ago and perhaps wasn't correct or has changed. Find the diameters they sell, and then find out if Megan's will even fit them. You may find the spring perches and hats just won't work with what hypercoil offers.

What everyone else is telling you is that the valving of the megan shocks are most likely not going to work well if you change the spring rates in any meaningful way. These dampers have a limit to their operational range and you may go outside them by changing the rates.

I think you might have misworded your goal, but in case you meant what you wrote you really don't want your spring rates on your car matching all around unless you want to make your car drive slower (by making your handling much worse). I don't know the motion ratios of a 1g or weight balance of your particular car but i'd bet good money your suspension won't go any faster with matched springs on all four corners.

 

[snowborder714]

I think the smallest spring diameter available from hypercoil is 2.5", but that was something I read a long time ago and perhaps wasn't correct or has changed. Find the diameters they sell, and then find out if Megan's will even fit them. You may find the spring perches and hats just won't work with what hypercoil offers.

I know they sell 2.25" springs as I bought them with my DG setup.

What everyone else is telling you is that the valving of the megan shocks are most likely not going to work well if you change the spring rates in any meaningful way. These dampers have a limit to their operational range and you may go outside them by changing the rates.

This is definitely a concern. I would talk with the company and see if they can provide you any useful data around this. Maybe they've tested the shocks with a higher ratio than they sell them with, maybe they know the limits spring wise, etc. I wouldn't recommend going and throwing a 700# front spring on the shocks if they come with a 400# spring. You could be asking for problems.

 

[TSiAWD666]

Doh, 2.25" was it. Thanks for the correction!

 

[lilbro717]

If you want a higher spring rate, Megan Racing can change them for you, call them and ask for James, he can help you out

 

[Absit]

Instead of doing a budget build, keep what you have and save money until you can do a proper build.

 

[Flash]

If you want a higher spring rate, Megan Racing can change them for you, call them and ask for James, he can help you out

I understand what the OP is trying to accomplish. The thing with Hyperco is that they actually test each individual spring and mark the rate on the spring. Springs vary in rate from spring to spring. The difference between Hyperco and Megan Racing is quality. Hyperco is really respected with club racers, semi-pro racers and even pro drivers. Megan Racing isn't there yet and will never be there.
The OP realizes the Megan's aren't the best and wants to improve on them in some areas. I think he realizes this won't turn them into JRZ's.

 

[underradar92]

Hypercoil springs are nowhere near $400 so I don't know what your looking at, and to know the spring rates are actually the same all the way around..

I was pulling a ballpark number out of the air really. Hyperco lists their 2.25" coilover springs at $81-102.60 racer net so, I wasn't far off in the guess. Multiplied by 4 as they are sold separately, is $324-410.40, plus any taxes, shipping and whatnot, its close enough to make the point.

I asked legitimate questions to get a better sense of what you are trying to accomplish and you focus on disputing this? I'd already addressed that spring consistency is the last thing to be of concern with this setup.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I understand what the OP is trying to accomplish. The thing with Hyperco is that they actually test each individual spring and mark the rate on the spring. Springs vary in rate from spring to spring. The difference between Hyperco and Megan Racing is quality. Hyperco is really respected with club racers, semi-pro racers and even pro drivers. Megan Racing isn't there yet and will never be there.
The OP realizes the Megan's aren't the best and wants to improve on them in some areas. I think he realizes this won't turn them into JRZ's.

You hit the nail on top of the head.. I don't see what was so hard about that for people to understand..

 

[Absit]

The point is you're going to spend $400 on your $700 coilovers and end up with a product that's not much better. Talk to Dennis Grant, if you run bad springs with good shocks you get a decent suspension. If you run bad shocks with good springs you don't. You will not notice much improvement, if any, for your $400+ investment. Your suspension may even be worse.

 

[underradar92]

You hit the nail on top of the head.. I don't see what was so hard about that for people to understand..

The point is you're going to spend $400 on your $700 coilovers and end up with a product that's not much better. Talk to Dennis Grant, if you run bad springs with good shocks you get a decent suspension. If you run bad shocks with good springs you don't. You will not notice much improvement, if any, for your $400+ investment. Your suspension may even be worse.

You hit the nail on top of the head.. I don't see what was so hard about that for people to understand..

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

You hit the nail on top of the head.. I don't see what was so hard about that for people to understand..

The point is you're going to spend $400 on your $700 coilovers and end up with a product that's not much better. Talk to Dennis Grant, if you run bad springs with good shocks you get a decent suspension. If you run bad shocks with good springs you don't. You will not notice much improvement, if any, for your $400+ investment. Your suspension may even be worse.

Your opinions or "help", if that is what you would like to call it, is he said/she said. You have never tested this, its your opinion. You want to push negative results on a coilover that you have never even tried to modify to make better. And I don't really care about what Dennis Grant has to say because I'm sure he has never done it either. Post something useful with information/results to back up your claims or don't post at all, I don't care about your opinions to how you "think" it may be..

 

[snowborder714]

If Dennis Grant hasn't done it, then it probably hasn't been done.

Why not ride around with the suspension the way it is, then order and install the Hypercoils and ride around on it like that and report back? If you're going to wait around for someone to pop in and say "Oh ya, I did that and it was like I installed $8k suspension", I don't think it's going to happen. If you want to know, spend the money, do it yourself, and report back on how it goes.

 

[Ludachris]

I understand what the OP is trying to accomplish. The thing with Hyperco is that they actually test each individual spring and mark the rate on the spring. Springs vary in rate from spring to spring. The difference between Hyperco and Megan Racing is quality. Hyperco is really respected with club racers, semi-pro racers and even pro drivers. Megan Racing isn't there yet and will never be there.
The OP realizes the Megan's aren't the best and wants to improve on them in some areas. I think he realizes this won't turn them into JRZ's.

Your opinions or "help", if that is what you would like to call it, is he said/she said. You have never tested this, its your opinion. You want to push negative results on a coilover that you have never even tried to modify to make better. And I don't really care about what Dennis Grant has to say because I'm sure he has never done it either. Post something useful with information/results to back up your claims or don't post at all, I don't care about your opinions to how you "think" it may be..

I think the confusion here is, why put a quality spring on a low quality shock that will likely not be valved for a different spring rate? Seems like there are at least two other routes that can be taken here with better results for similar money - first, the simple option would be to just ask Megan to provide the spring rates you want, though I'd still question if this is the best route. Or, just go with some Konis and a spring/perch setup with Hyperco springs. I think more than a few here have copied Ground Control's setup and used Hyperco springs and perches from Speedway or other circle track catalogs and saved some cash in order to apply the savings towards Konis. The nice thing about this route is that you can buy it all separately in stages if you're tight on money. The springs are not as important as the shock in my opinion. And I think that is the opinion being expressed by others as well. Work towards a scenario where you get the better shocks instead of trying to get better springs.

People like Dennis Grant have been testing and trying shocks for over a decade - on the car, on the track, and on shock dynos. If you're not going to take from his experiences, why listen to any of us? If anything, he's probably one of the first DSMers that has done this and has experience with what you're asking. And he's used his experience in racing situations. Many of us have simply followed the research that has already been done by racers like him instead of spending the extra money to validate those results ourselves. Just like you, our budgets don't allow for us to duplicate that research, so we learn from people who have the experience (and extra money) instead and have already weeded out the crap options. Granted, maybe he hasn't tested the Megans specifically, but I highly doubt the Megans are much different from the other low priced options he has tested.

In short, many of us have been through this very exercise many times and have found the answers you're looking for from experienced racers in the DSM community over the years. That's why many of us feel that the Megans are crap for true handling. True, we can't validate that opinion since we didn't do the research ourselves, but we've learned enough from people who have done the research and testing to know what we would spend our own hard earned money on and are simply trying to pass that on to you. We've sat here and watched DSMers waste money on inferior products only to go out and buy the good stuff later, and some of us have done that ourselves (me included). Take that for what it's worth.

 

[Absit]

tl;dr
Smart man learn from his mistakes.
Wise man learn from mistakes of others.

Summarized.

 

[underradar92]

Chris, Absit, Flash, there is no confusion on anyone's part in this thread, everyone is well aware of what the others are saying. What is happening is that the OP is looking for someone to give him a great big "ATTA BOY for his awesomely innovative thinking. Seems no one is handing this out so, he is acting like we have no understanding of anything. And he is assuming this also of DG.

I'm done with this thread now. Unsubscribed.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Chris, Absit, Flash, there is no confusion on anyone's part in this thread, everyone is well aware of what the others are saying. What is happening is that the OP is looking for someone to give him a great big "ATTA BOY for his awesomely innovative thinking. Seems no one is handing this out so, he is acting like we have no understanding of anything. And he is assuming this also of DG.

I'm done with this thread now. Unsubscribed.

You and Absit should have been done a long time ago anyways, you don't do anything but troll. No one is understanding the thread which completely cracks me up.. I'm asking about putting THE SAME spring rate Hyperco springs on them so ensure the spring rates were more even since people say Megans spring rates don't match up. Just something as simple as that and it was mad into a Nasa launch. Pay more attention to the OP instead of getting side-tracked.

And thank you Chris and Brian for summarizing those statements up like that, very nicely put, and posts I was very glad to read. I also like your idea of me just trying it and posting my results Brian, that is a very good idea.