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HX-35 BEP .55 Housing Results on 2G AWD(1/4 and Dyno)

Posted by gsmokez, Jan 7, 2019

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  1. gsmokez

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    Hey guys I've got an Evo III 16g in the car right now but I also have an HX35 7 blade with the BEP bolt on housing. I'm debating whether I should even install it or not. I've been searching for over a month now and I had a hard time finding any solid information on a 7 blade HX-35 on a 5 Speed 2G AWD with a bolt on housing. Before anyone says anything about searching, I've looking into this for over a month now, read through all the threads and all I've gathered is that the only guys with decent results are the ones with a 1G and an automatic transmission. I've also checked dsmtimes, there are 2 or 3 with decent times but no specifics about housing or drivetrain.

    There were a few guys with 5 Speed GSX's but they all seem to run 12s. Is that typically what to expect from this setup? On top of what I already have I would be adding bigger injectors, a meth kit and running 94+meth. Now the thing that confuses me is I've looked through 16g 1/4 mile times and a lot of people seem to be doing better with them despite the fact that it flows less. I figure this is just because a lot more people have the 16g so you see some better times out of them here and there but the HX35 guys probably aren't posting too much about their results.

    I'd love to hear some input from you guys as to any suggestions or if any of you have first hand experience with an HX35 with a bolt on housing and what kind of times the car ran with it. I compression tested my motor recently and its 170psi across all four cylinders so I'll be going for about 28-30psi, decided I'd boost leak test after I decide which turbo to run. Thanks guys.


    Looking for results ONLY from 5 Speed AWD 2G DSM's with HX-35 and .55 a/r bolt on housing
     
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  3. gsmokez

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    I appreciate the reply man but like I said above I've been through that thread at least ten times trying to pick up on any new details I missed. I'm looking for very specific setup information.
     

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  5. gsmokez

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    Post 5- HX 40, not what I asked about
    Post 11- HX 40, not what I asked about
    Post 13- not even talking about 1/4 mile times

    As I've said already, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THOSE THREADS. The information I'm asking for has not been "beat to death". You could at least read my original post properly before replying like that.

    I guess I'll repeat myself, hopefully more clearly this time. I am looking for results ONLY from 2G AWD DSM's with a 5 speed transmission and an HX35 using a BOLT ON BEP HOUSING! I've been through that thread MANY times and yes there are a few in that thread that meet my criteria but the times they posted are disappointing in my opinion considering the power this turbo makes. I want to hear from people with real experience with this setup what they've been able to run because I feel like they should be capable of better times than a mid 12.
     

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  6. zedicus

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    that info is fairly old. i am building an HE341 holset build and it is actually similar to what an hx35 with a .55ar BEP housing set up is (VERY similar actually) my goal is 24 psi with over 500 HP. (other engine mods make for huge variables) the reason i went this route over a modded 16g or 20g is really just that i wanted to do a holset build. so if you have the turbo then yeah use it and expect something around that flow area for comparison. if you do not have a turbo then condition and pricing are usually what decides because if you are looking for a MHI or holset turbo you are not in the same group as people looking at Precision and Garrett turbos.

    btw your question might be overly specific, you are simply going to have to do some generalizing. my car is a 1g AWD manual with no sunroof or accessories, i am shooting for 10 in the 1/4th.
     

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    The people posting in that thread ARE real people posting real data. It has the info YOU are asking for, just because it isnt what YOU want to see. 2g, 1g, doesn't matter. YOUR setup is going to vary slightly from theirs. Your tune will vary, your weight will vary, your driver skill will vary, your track conditions and dyno will vary. That thread is LOADED with info, you're just choosing to ignore it.
     

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  8. gsmokez

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    Thank you for a useful reply. I understand I'm being pretty specific but it's only because I couldn't find too many time slips of an Hx35 on this setup and the weight/compression differences between the 1g and 2g. I got the turbo, O2 housing, wastegate and the feed/return lines with the car, it just sat in the trunk but it's in great shape. Thanks again for the response.

    You clearly haven't looked into it because you're not understanding, the results posted in that thread are in line with times that people have done with the 16g. There's clearly something wrong with that info, of course no one's car is the same and chances are those guys just didn't have their setups dialed in 100%. All I'm asking for is updated times on a tried, tested and tuned setup.

    Many of those times in that thread were on cars with low compression or some sort of problem. I'm not choosing to ignore anything, I've been through every post in that thread multiple times and took ET and trap speeds into consideration and it only makes sense to me that those cars aren't running their best. You clearly seem to like being a know it all though so this will be the last time I explain myself to you. It doesn't take a genius to realize that a turbo setup capable of flowing 55lb/min in these cars shouldn't be running mid 12s on 25psi when dialed in right.
     

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    ... I hate to be the one to point this out but you might as well just put in "2g cars are still 7 bolt that haven't had the pistons replaced/upgraded" which will narrow your search even more drastically:rolleyes:

    You have to consider a few things here.. for every ONE holset build there are about 100 16g builds. so of course there is going to be more information.. especially about them going faster.

    Look for general information.. flow rating ^^ which you already have. so 55lbs/min on a GREAT setup will net you roughly 500-550awhp. 450-500 is normally a more realistic expectation however. that being said a properly setup drag car would be capable of mid-high 10 1/4 mile times.. but the majority of us would be sitting pretty around the high 11/12 second mark since not all of us beat the snot out of our DSMs.

    Stop looking for apples to apples comparison.. the holset swaps are popular but a lot of the information is dated.. and even if you found a 2g awd 5 speed to compare it to, odds are the engines been rebuilt and is running higher CR so stop chasing your tail looking for exact numbers. or maybe its on e-85 and your looking for gas numbers.

    The holset will spool about as fast as a 16g and hit much harder. the 16g has gone 10s and the holset is definitely capable of it.

    I'm not going to tell you to search.. just stop chasing an exact match when there's too many variables.
     

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    Once again you're choosing to ignore the info at hand. You've already admitted that there's too many variances to find something 1:1 with you. If you're worried about the difference in compression you're in for a real treat comparing setups with things like cam and intake differences as those will change far more drastically than having 30 more psi of static compression. You're looking for a nonexistent needle in a haystack. The info is there, how you choose to use it is up to you, but saying the info isn't there is false. I know guys barely breaking 14s on an HX35, and there's guys going 9's- the point is you're not going to get EXACTLY what your car will do regardless of how many people you talk to.
     

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    Lolll I appreciate the response man, I know its specific I'm not going to pretend it's not but I didnt really mind seeing a built engine vs stock or even different variations of fuel setup/type because those are upgrades I'll be looking into in the future as well. To tell you where I stand, I was expecting exactly as you said, 450-500 hp and I did notice the results in that thread were VERY dated which is why I figured someone must have done it a little quicker by now. I was basically hoping to see someone with a trap closer to 130 and an ET in the 11s.

    I won't be able to drive my car until April/May so I've just been doing research and mods in the mean time. I created the thread more out of curiosity than anything, but I'd love to see one that has broken into 11s.

    This thread was never about what my car would accomplish man. I'm not looking for that. I was just interested to see the best times in a similar car with the same setup. I didn't feel like that was asking for too much. I know it's going to take a lot of trial and error and I'm fine with that, I was legitimately just curious about others that have been through that process already.
     
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  12. JusMX141

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    Pump gas on a HX35 in the small a/r housing you'll get to 30psi or so and maybe a shade over 400whp before hitting a knock wall depending on supporting mods and tune. The power delivery will be much different than any turbo with a TD05H turbine like a 16G or 20G despite the spool and airflow being comparable at the same boost level. It's a great way to get your feet wet with something bigger but it's not an ideal way to utilize a HX35 by far.

    So whatever your setup will do with 400-430whp or so is how fast you're going to go with whatever your car weighs. Doesn't matter what everybody else has done...other people's results with a particular setup are rarely directly-applicable so asking for things like "I WANT RESULTS ONLY from 2G AWD DSM's with a 5 speed transmission and an HX35 using a BOLT ON BEP HOUSING" is pretty much pointless. They don't mod, tune, or drive their car the same way that you do. Look at a typical NASCAR field- those cars are built damn near identical and still somebody wins and somebody comes in 40th.
     

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    I was really hoping to hear from you, thanks for chiming in. Do you think it would be worthwhile to get the .70 BEP Turbine housing instead and replace the manifold? Or I believe I saw a housing on ebay that was .82. One of the reasons I wanted to get an idea of how other people are doing with it just so that I could make the decision of either putting it in as it is or upgrading the turbine housing and manifold.
     

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    He's going to tell you to go hy35 and be done with it LOL.
     

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    If you already have the hx35 and it's a complete turbo, use the 12cm t3 housing. Save a few dollars on the bep t3 and put it towards a manifold. You will be dollars and performance ahead.
     
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    He already has the BEP housing.

    OP- If you wish to push the HX35 to its limit, you will have to change the housing and manifold. Buy the t3 setup and be done with it. If money is not an issue, sell the BEP bolt on housing and get your hands on the TS housing with the manifold and wastegates. If you want simplicity, buy the t3 open setup and call it a day.
     

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    1995 TSI AWD Auto Talon with a shift box. Stock except for the HX35, 1200cc injectors, Link and a twin scroll manifold using a stock HX35 hot side, not even a BEP housing.
    Ran 11.5 @ 120 about a month ago first pass off the trailer on E85. It's my oldest sons car and was just thrown together with extra parts and a old used 7 bolt motor with stock cams. The car ran mid 11's all day and he could have drove it there and back but trailered it in case something broke since it was just a bunch of old parts put to use.
    Not the specifics you asked for but something for you to chew on. The manifold was the thing that really set that car up (and the most expensive), the rest was simple.
    Here is the car, it has parts from several different cars. Purposely deceiving......
    And for those that told me that a Spyder door would not fit on a 2g, well, there it is! :)
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    Hahah I'd love to but I got this whole setup for free with the car so I figured I'd use it.

    I'm cool with changing the housing and manifold, I really don't like to half ass things, is there any place I can easily find a twin scroll housing and manifold? I'm going to do some reading on it right now, hopefully I can find one readily available.

    Thanks for the input, you automatic guys do great with these cars. what kind of manifold did you use? I'm going to be looking for a twin scroll housing and manifold now. I love the car by the way LOL awesome sleeper. I used to have a white one like that.
     

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    It is a Morrison Fab, custom made for my son, twin scroll just for the HX35 and its housing in a 2g.
    Thank you for the complement on his car, we LOVE to fool people in these little cars!!! :sneaky:
     

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    How much boost for 11.50 @ 120?
     

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    I think he said right at 30lbs, no more. He really loves his manifold and claims it to be the difference maker. I did forget to mention that the car has a ETS 5" FMIC but other than that is just a old car with leftover parts on it.

    Edit: Son just told me the intercooler is just a VRSF unit, the big cooler is on his other Talon.
     
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    Yeah I'm hunting for a twin scroll housing and manifold now. Seems like a much better route to go. If anyone has suggestions on where I can find these I'd really appreciate it.
     

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    My son's is a Holset Hx35 12cm2 non-waste gate housing with a 2.5" V-band out for the exhaust. I have been chatting with him for more info. With that TS manifold and the housing I just posted, he can build 25lbs+ on a stock 2g converter in about 5 seconds.
     

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    This is badass! Love it
     

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