Horribly Slow RS

[dsmrunnah95]

I'm sorry I not as hung as guys driving a neon powered automobile, maybe some day.

We don't have the same engine as neons. Similar but not the same.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Didnt the dodge colt come with the 4g63 first? or are those guys just swapping them in?

 

[GSGoinFast]

We don't have the same engine as neons. Similar but not the same.

ya those engines gotta be weaker, i walked a kid at my school's neon... owned him bad, when i was stock

 

[bkblazen2003]

I think the actual (star, hahn) kits are really over priced, I just made a custom manifold with a dp, just got the t3/t4 16g and now I am just waiting on an S-AFC when I get some extra cash. Should be up and running within the next two months or so. Should put me at the 200hp mark which is plenty for me. I just need my car to get a better kick when I floor it :laugh:

Your wrong. you will get even more power if you turbo a n/t. Since a n/t has higher compression , just 10 psi will get you around 220-230 hp. which is more power than a stock gsx. with more mods, 300 hp is easy to reach. Just don't go over 12 psi with n/t pistons. replace them with stock turbo pistons at least to go over the boost pressure.
By the way since this is about n/t, if you don't want to go turbo; swap the turbo intake cam. more lift and duration. you'll notice a good power increase.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Your wrong. you will get even more power if you turbo a n/t. Since a n/t has higher compression , just 10 psi will get you around 220-230 hp. which is more power than a stock gsx. with more mods, 300 hp is easy to reach. Just don't go over 12 psi with n/t pistons. replace them with stock turbo pistons at least to go over the boost pressure.
By the way since this is about n/t, if you don't want to go turbo; swap the turbo intake cam. more lift and duration. you'll notice a good power increase.

first i wouldnt go over 10psi with an intercooler. the rods can only safly handle that.

i dont think 4g cams are compatable without engines

 

[bkblazen2003]

first i wouldnt go over 10psi with an intercooler. the rods can only safly handle that.

i dont think 4g cams are compatable without engines

True. But i'm talking about 1g 4g63 6 bolt engines. the parts are interchangeable between turbo and non-turbo models. But i think the 420A can fit a turbo cam. But i'm not sure since i never cared about learning about those motors since there so famous for crank walk. I'll stick to the reliable 4g63.

 

[GSGoinFast]

True. But i'm talking about 1g 4g63 6 bolt engines. the parts are interchangeable between turbo and non-turbo models. But i think the 420A can fit a turbo cam. But i'm not sure since i never cared about learning about those motors since there so famous for crank walk. I'll stick to the reliable 4g63.

your really really really really really confused arnt you? the 420a's are known for NOT having crankwalk, thats the 4g63 that has it. and the 420a is known to be reliable, while the 4g63 isnt. yes 4g63 turbo parts will go into a 4g63 NT, but not into a 420a... wow your confused

 

[Doug99RS]

But i think the 420A can fit a turbo cam. But i'm not sure since i never cared about learning about those motors since there so famous for crank walk. I'll stick to the reliable 4g63.

Feel free to go do that research necessary before making suggestions to the 420A guys about what they can and cannot swap. When making unsubstantiated suggestions like that you forget that some people may not know any better and will do the swap only to damage their engine. This is why here on DSMTuners we STRONGLY discourage making suggestions or comments based on a third party experience. Either you did something or you didn't. If you didn't, direct people to the guy who did and don't cloud up an otherwise crystal clear swimming hole.

NONE of the chrysler engine cams will with the 4g63. And before anyone mentions the chrysler 2.4L (n/a and turbo) or any other 2.0L Rear exhaust cam swapping, they won't work. I've compared cams before and because of the differences in intake/exhaust orientation, the lobes are no where near to lining up. Feel free to research some of the posts I've made because I know there's one or two out there with this same information and pictures to boot.

This turbo guy vs n/a guy discussion has gone on too many times and is beaten to death. If ANYONE at ANYTIME sees a comment made by ANYONE that is condescending of another member or their car then REPORT THEM. DO NOT address the situation. Leave it for a moderator to explain how this board is run. We are here to UNITE all DSMs and NOT provide a place for this childish nonsense.

When responding to a post this information here is in red letters for a reason:
Insults and/or name calling - this can get you banned without warning - we don't care how experienced or knowledgable you are, being an ass is not acceptable
Guesses - if you don't know, don't guess - don't spread misinformation

 

[Redmachine]

I'm not trying to start a flame war, and I know alot of the turbo guys own n/t's , those aren't the guys that say "just buy a turbo'd car" They actually say you can do this,this and this. I appologize for my rude nasty comment myself, but wish the guys with absolutly no experiance with 420a's or non-turbo's for that matter to not post unless it is constructive and helpful and not degrading to a fellow dsm'r

 

[GSGoinFast]

I'm not trying to start a flame war, and I know alot of the turbo guys own n/t's , those aren't the guys that say "just buy a turbo'd car" They actually say you can do this,this and this. I appologize for my rude nasty comment myself, but wish the guys with absolutly no experiance with 420a's or non-turbo's for that matter to not post unless it is constructive and helpful and not degrading to a fellow dsm'r

yup, copy that, ive said that before and i know i will be saying it again in a future thread where the same thing breaks out

 

[NyteDSM96]

Didnt the dodge colt come with the 4g63 first? or are those guys just swapping them in?

i thought it was the dodge daytona?? well, i know for a fact the daytona comes w/ the same mitsubishi turbo, but im not so sure about the whole engine...

 

[adgators99]

Yeah, I hate the arguing between one community. advice should be given at any time, not to turn turbo or not, but advice that could help answer a specific question. Turbo guys should not go in the n/a forums and say just turbo it and we shouldn't go in their forums and say you have a turbo so expect it to be unreliable and have crankwalk. We all just need to help each other when possible. I have owned a subaru with a turbo already and a mazda n/a and the n/a was more reliable, but the turbo did kick a$$, so they both have their ups and downs. Point is, let's enjoy what we drive regardless if it is a n/a or turbo!

 

[Doug99RS]

i thought it was the dodge daytona?? well, i know for a fact the daytona comes w/ the same mitsubishi turbo, but im not so sure about the whole engine...

The Daytona came with a mitsu 3.0L v6 (not turbo) or a 2.5L (chrysler engine) with turbo (origin I do not know). But definitely not a 4g63 or mitsu engine.
D

 

[realitytb]

Didnt the dodge colt come with the 4g63 first? or are those guys just swapping them in?

Yup the dodge cult did indeed have the 4g63.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Yup the dodge cult did indeed have the 4g63.

so when they say "ok mr. neon motor", we can say "ok mr. colt motor"?

 

[TSIMonsteR]

ya those engines gotta be weaker, i walked a kid at my school's neon... owned him bad, when i was stock

there are different trims of neons, as with DSM's. Most neons came w/ the same 420a engine as the 2g n/t and some came w/ a diff engine. (i think it was a SOHC 1.8l chrysler motor...don't quote me on that)

 

[philipkrotch]

so when they say "ok mr. neon motor", we can say "ok mr. colt motor"?

yup..u sure can.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Yup the dodge cult did indeed have the 4g63.

just a ?... didn't the colt have the 4g turned like 90 degrees diff from the dsm ???... or was that the starion

P.S.- i know hardley anything of the colt, starion, or daytona!! just seen pics

 

[realitytb]

just a ?... didn't the colt have the 4g turned like 90 degrees diff from the dsm ???... or was that the starion

Not sure, i just know that it has the 4g63. Havnt heard much about the starion.

 

[philipkrotch]

starion isnt even a 4g63.its a 2.5L 4 banger, 8 valve dual point injection engine. not even close to a 4g63

 

[NyteDSM96]

The Daytona came with a mitsu 3.0L v6 (not turbo) or a 2.5L (chrysler engine) with turbo (origin I do not know). But definitely not a 4g63 or mitsu engine.
D

ohhhh... thanx for clearin dat up.

 

[bkblazen2003]

Feel free to go do that research necessary before making suggestions to the 420A guys about what they can and cannot swap. When making unsubstantiated suggestions like that you forget that some people may not know any better and will do the swap only to damage their engine. This is why here on DSMTuners we STRONGLY discourage making suggestions or comments based on a third party experience. Either you did something or you didn't. If you didn't, direct people to the guy who did and don't cloud up an otherwise crystal clear swimming hole.

NONE of the chrysler engine cams will with the 4g63. And before anyone mentions the chrysler 2.4L (n/a and turbo) or any other 2.0L Rear exhaust cam swapping, they won't work. I've compared cams before and because of the differences in intake/exhaust orientation, the lobes are no where near to lining up. Feel free to research some of the posts I've made because I know there's one or two out there with this same information and pictures to boot.

This turbo guy vs n/a guy discussion has gone on too many times and is beaten to death. If ANYONE at ANYTIME sees a comment made by ANYONE that is condescending of another member or their car then REPORT THEM. DO NOT address the situation. Leave it for a moderator to explain how this board is run. We are here to UNITE all DSMs and NOT provide a place for this childish nonsense.

When responding to a post this information here is in red letters for a reason:
Insults and/or name calling - this can get you banned without warning - we don't care how experienced or knowledgable you are, being an ass is not acceptable
Guesses - if you don't know, don't guess - don't spread misinformation

I clearly said i did not care to learn much about the 420 a. so why would anyone choose to do what i suggested. i am just typing my opinion. and every one knows 2gen dsm are known for crank walking. i think you need to do some reading. also the 4g63 7 bolt engine are known for it(which came out in 1992). your just feeling offended cause you own one. and by the way i am a talon 4g63 6 bolt n/t owner. the turbo intake cam can be swaped in to a 4g63 n/t engine . i have done it. the size of the lobes are obviously going to be bigger than the exhaust cam cause cause it has more lift. (duh thats the reason to swap it in the first place. if it were the same size as the original there would be no power gain.)

 

[GSGoinFast]

I clearly said i did not care to learn much about the 420 a. so why would anyone choose to do what i suggested. i am just typing my opinion. and every one knows 2gen dsm are known for crank walking. i think you need to do some reading. also the 4g63 7 bolt engine are known for it(which came out in 1992). your just feeling offended cause you own one. and by the way i am a talon 4g63 6 bolt n/t owner. the turbo intake cam can be swaped in to a 4g63 n/t engine . i have done it. the size of the lobes are obviously going to be bigger than the exhaust cam cause cause it has more lift. (duh thats the reason to swap it in the first place. if it were the same size as the original there would be no power gain.)

is this kid for real??? did he just tell doug to go do some reading??? ya he knows nothing ... whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute, why is his name in red, and why is his title N/T wiseman... jee i dunno thats weird

if you dont want anyone to do what you suggest, then dont suggest anything. if you dont know anything about the 420a then dont say anything about the 420a.

how is he offended cause he owns one? he owns a 420a. and its not 2nd gen dsm's that are known for crankwalk, its turbo dsm's, aka the 4g63, aka the same engine you have. you have a 6 bolt, which is less vulnerable to crankwalk, but still, ive never heard of one 420a that had crankwalk. you say the 7 bolts are also known for crankwalk like the 420a's are the main sufferers from it. you just need to stop talking at this time.

you said you could swap a 4g63 turbo cam into a 420a, which is what we questioned, not if you could into a NT 4g, we all knew that.

im just in aw...

 

[Randomrage]

I cant believe he told Doug to go do some reading! DOUG! Anyway, people have this crankwalking thing blown all out of proportion. Its rediculous.

 

[GSGoinFast]

I cant believe he told Doug to go do some reading! DOUG! Anyway, people have this crankwalking thing blown all out of proportion. Its rediculous.

ya, but he was saying it was on the 420a! wtf? :laugh: