Horribly Slow RS

[NyteDSM96]

Automatic transmissions are made for grandma and soccer moms, not for racing. If you really want to go fast, try a neutral drop, I hear it does wonders for the transmission, I mean 0-60 time. At least you bought a dsm. If you want to talk slow 0-60 times drive up to altitude with me and try to do it in under 9 seconds, you practically have to have a turbo to have a chance at having a fast car. Anyways sell it and get anything manual if you are going to get serious about racing

u do neutral drops and u wont have a car long enough to brag about how u got 5 tenths of a second increase from that technique

 

[leakyfaucet]

wat i do in automatics is put the car in o/d off, hold on the brake, accelerate up to 2500 rpm's and then let go of the brake while jammin in the accelerator, works pretty good

What the hell does turning the overdrive off accomplish in powerbraking?

 

[leakyfaucet]

Automatic transmissions are made for grandma and soccer moms, not for racing.

I guess that's why every NHRA car faster than like 8 seconds has an automatic.

 

[95redESI]

I guess that's why every NHRA car faster than like 8 seconds has an automatic.

its about time someone said that in fact almost every NHRA car has an auto because they are extremly consistent and reliable in a drag situation.

as for adgators99- I've been told to do the final drive gear mod to our cars and it will really help(it's next on my list), good luck,

 

[NyteDSM96]

What the hell does turning the overdrive off accomplish in powerbraking?

it allow for ur rpm's to roar up and down faster than w/ overdrive.

 

[adgators99]

what's the final drive gear mod? never heard of it, is it for lower end or upper end

 

[BumpinTitaniums]

really honestly all you guys should go to http://www.2gnt.com/ because everybody over there knows what they are talking about, and no turbo guys bother anyone over there.

neutral dropping is horrible. seriously, the transmission makes a cracking sound when you do it. that is NOT GOOD and is not as effective as brake launching. the overdrive switch i think used to be called "power/economy" on the older model of our cars and it is tied into more then just our transmissions because the whole thing acts different when you flip it on or off. or so it seems, anyway

pr0 -- when you finish turboing your car, let me know I want to come see it. I live right outside of Calgary. do you have a Super 16G or a t3/t04? With a 16G you will see around 250 horse and I think with a t3/t04 you will see like 350 and you will drop engine parts all over the road on a stock bottom end.

The Final Drive Mod is swapping in the gears from a Stratus, which are a steeper ratio to compensate for the extra weight of the bigger body style. It changes the final drive ratio from 3.55 to 3.91 (I am not certain on the specifics, but that sounds right to me). but it does mean that you get much quicker acceleration, with a slight hit on highway performance and top speed. but you leave a dead stop more often then you go 150 so you don't have much to lose with this mod.

 

[GSGoinFast]

really honestly all you guys should go to http://www.2gnt.com/ because everybody over there knows what they are talking about, and no turbo guys bother anyone over there.

neutral dropping is horrible. seriously, the transmission makes a cracking sound when you do it. that is NOT GOOD and is not as effective as brake launching. the overdrive switch i think used to be called "power/economy" on the older model of our cars and it is tied into more then just our transmissions because the whole thing acts different when you flip it on or off. or so it seems, anyway

pr0 -- when you finish turboing your car, let me know I want to come see it. I live right outside of Calgary. do you have a Super 16G or a t3/t04? With a 16G you will see around 250 horse and I think with a t3/t04 you will see like 350 and you will drop engine parts all over the road on a stock bottom end.

The Final Drive Mod is swapping in the gears from a Stratus, I think, which are a steeper ratio to compensate for the extra weight of the bigger body style. It changes the final drive ratio from 3.55 to 3.91 i think. I am not certain on the specifics. but it does mean that you get much quicker acceleration, with a slight hit on highway performance and top speed. but you leave a dead stop more often then you go 150 so you don't have much to lose with this mod.

i think the OD is for good fuel economy. it shifts gears at lower RPM's to save gas

 

[pr0]

pr0 -- when you finish turboing your car, let me know I want to come see it. I live right outside of Calgary. do you have a Super 16G or a t3/t04? With a 16G you will see around 250 horse and I think with a t3/t04 you will see like 350 and you will drop engine parts all over the road on a stock bottom end.

its a t3/t4 but I don't plan on boosting any higher than about 5-7psi. I might be rebuilding the bottom end but its probably going to be way too costly and I don't want to spend to much on this car, I had to replace over 2 grand in parts already, and the last owner hardly drove the car :thumbdown it only had 69,000 miles on it which isn't too bad for a 10 year old car! But yea you can see it when I get it all setup and running, we could probably turbocharge your talon . So far I have spent only $300.00 (canadian) on a custom mani (welded myself), fuel pump, oil lines and a used t3/t4 turbo.

 

[philipkrotch]

Your running low 14's and acting hard my n/a isnt far from you now.

ya dumbass..thats with 26 counts of knock from being heatsoaked..and spinning through 2nd gear. u pull a 101 mph trap speed running like shit, and being damn near stock and well talk. and correct your self vagina...i ran a 13.8 at 105 so take a lick. thats it, im saying it. ur NT man...get over it and quit living your life a 1/4 mile at a time Dom.

 

[philipkrotch]

Why do you even bother posting in the N/T Forum? We dont give a crap about your turbo car and how fast you can run the 1/4 mile. Your definition of fast or quick isnt what mine is. My stock RS beat up on all sorts of turbo gsx's at the auto x's because they were too heavy and were built (by the owners in these cases) to go fast in a straight line. Good for you. I'm glad you have a "fast car". Now go tell it to some one that gives a damn.

Non-Turbo Performance is for Non-Turbo owners to talk about improving their cars. NOT for Turbo owners to come in here and tell us to buy turbo cars, or that our cars our uselessly slow. Your not helping anyone with your post. I'm sorry if i'm getting pissy, but all we get from most of the turbo owners on this forum is the same useless bullshit. I'm sick of it.

 

[philipkrotch]

im not trying to start a NT vs. Turbo war here, but its the fact that i get kinda irritated with people in stock NT DSM's that think they are fast. maybe some of yours are pretty "quick". maybe its just because of the magazine racers im used to seeing in them around where i live. but i apologized and u asses still make comments and cry about it after i let it go. so to you guys, i say..haha. have fun running mid 14's built balls to the walls. and to the rest of u NT's, dont take it personally, this comment was directed towards those few people. im done.

 

[GSGoinFast]

im not trying to start a NT vs. Turbo war here, but its the fact that i get kinda irritated with people in stock NT DSM's that think they are fast. maybe some of yours are pretty "quick". maybe its just because of the magazine racers im used to seeing in them around where i live. but i apologized and u asses still make comments and cry about it after i let it go. so to you guys, i say..haha. have fun running mid 14's built balls to the walls. and to the rest of u NT's, dont take it personally, this comment was directed towards those few people. im done.

i dont think there are any SERIOUS tuners with NT's that think there fast. maybe some ricers, but i would think, and hope, that the serious NTers know there slow with light mods. if they have some good work done, then they could very well be fast, but i dont think very many NT's think there fast. im tired of all these turbo guys who, just because they have a turbo model, think that there hot shit and no 420a could come close to them, even if they only have minimal mods on there turbo model. its just plain ignorance. on both sides. but we dont need turbo guys coming in here and telling us how slow we are. we are well aware! if you come in here with VALUABLE information and help, great, but dont just come in here to pick on us to make yourself feel bigger

were ALL here for performance, or suppose to be, NT or Turbo, not to see who can make a bigger ass of themselves

 

[dsmrunnah95]

ya dumbass..thats with 26 counts of knock from being heatsoaked..and spinning through 2nd gear. u pull a 101 mph trap speed running like shit, and being damn near stock and well talk. and correct your self vagina...i ran a 13.8 at 105 so take a lick. thats it, im saying it. ur NT man...get over it and quit living your life a 1/4 mile at a time Dom.

Your car is faster than mine, but what makes it all better is that at the end of the day I'm not you... just thinking about that helps me sleep better.

And to your comment about running a fully built n/t to mid 14s, tell HRC that. Considering their n/t is in the top 5 FWD dsm's.

 

[BumpinTitaniums]

pr0 -- when you finish turboing your car, let me know I want to come see it. I live right outside of Calgary. do you have a Super 16G or a t3/t04? With a 16G you will see around 250 horse and I think with a t3/t04 you will see like 350 and you will drop engine parts all over the road on a stock bottom end.

its a t3/t4 but I don't plan on boosting any higher than about 5-7psi. I might be rebuilding the bottom end but its probably going to be way too costly and I don't want to spend to much on this car, I had to replace over 2 grand in parts already, and the last owner hardly drove the car :thumbdown it only had 69,000 miles on it which isn't too bad for a 10 year old car! But yea you can see it when I get it all setup and running, we could probably turbocharge your talon . So far I have spent only $300.00 (canadian) on a custom mani (welded myself), fuel pump, oil lines and a used t3/t4 turbo.

bottom ends are costly. at least car parts are duty-free I am slowly but surely piecing together a turbo setup using mostly 4G63 stuff... 14B, 1G sidemount, 1G BOV or maybe a Greddy Type-S since they are cheap, the bigger injectors off a 2G turbo, spare piping, and I am doing all the work myself some guy down in the states did a 14B setup for under $2,000US with a new motor and rebuilt bottom end so I'm thinking I could mimick the same thing for around $1,400CDN and end up with 250 wheel horsepower

 

[GSGoinFast]

bottom ends are costly. at least car parts are duty-free I am slowly but surely piecing together a turbo setup using mostly 4G63 stuff... 14B, 1G sidemount, 1G BOV or maybe a Greddy Type-S since they are cheap, the bigger injectors off a 2G turbo, spare piping, and I am doing all the work myself some guy down in the states did a 14B setup for under $2,000US with a new motor and rebuilt bottom end so I'm thinking I could mimick the same thing for around $1,400CDN and end up with 250 wheel horsepower

same thing here. except im getting my stuff from a 2g. getting a T-25(weak but its a turbo), side mount, and 1g BOV from a friends bro. mani from alain for $350 with EGT probe. $160 for Vortech S-FMU. $271 for all nuts, bolts, studs, gaskets, and the bend pipe to connect the exaust of the turbo and the down pipe. then im gonna get custom piping from a muffler shop. thats what i got so far. well not what i got but what im getting. then i just need the gauges(boost, EGT, maybe A/F or Fuel Pressure) and oil lines. i think that will get me rolling. anyone tell me if im missing anything. thats what i got planned. oh yea and MBC.

 

[GSGoinFast]

also got Corky Bell's Maximum Boost to help me out. im only on chapter 4, so if im missing something its cause i havnt gotten to the section where i would find out i needed it. but so far pretty good book. a little pricey, but good.

 

[Daedalus]

i dont think there are any SERIOUS tuners with NT's that think there fast. maybe some ricers, but i would think, and hope, that the serious NTers know there slow with light mods. if they have some good work done, then they could very well be fast, but i dont think very many NT's think there fast. im tired of all these turbo guys who, just because they have a turbo model, think that there hot shit and no 420a could come close to them, even if they only have minimal mods on there turbo model. its just plain ignorance. on both sides. but we dont need turbo guys coming in here and telling us how slow we are. we are well aware! if you come in here with VALUABLE information and help, great, but dont just come in here to pick on us to make yourself feel bigger

were ALL here for performance, or suppose to be, NT or Turbo, not to see who can make a bigger ass of themselves

Damn straight... I consider myself a serious tuner, and by no means do I think my car is "fast", nor do I say that it is fast. Hell, I dubed my project, "Project Real Slow" (Laser RS). But with the new build up I should be putting down a little over 200hp, and that is enough for my first stage before head work. All I wanted was a little more power to pull me out of the turns in AutoX and an extra 85hp is more than enough to do that.

Was I trying to run 11's? Nope. Am I completly satisfied with my car? Yep.

Just remember kids... At the end of the day, we all own DSM's, and love them dearly!

 

[Randomrage]

Not everybody is lucky/well-off enough to own a AWD-T DSM or two or three. Im lucky enough to be able to afford one, but I cant find a 1ga within 300 miles of me for sale that isnt dogged to death, and Ive been searching for almost three months now.

I think we should get some props, because of all the work it takes to get a n/a into shape. Turbo guys, imagine how much work we have to do to get our hp up to what your's is stock. Speaking of which, I wonder how different 210 n/a hp is from 210 stock turbo hp.

 

[AEMEclipse140]

Im trying to find out.

 

[NyteDSM96]

Not everybody is lucky/well-off enough to own a AWD-T DSM or two or three. Im lucky enough to be able to afford one, but I cant find a 1ga within 300 miles of me for sale that isnt dogged to death, and Ive been searching for almost three months now.

I think we should get some props, because of all the work it takes to get a n/a into shape. Turbo guys, imagine how much work we have to do to get our hp up to what your's is stock. Speaking of which, I wonder how different 210 n/a hp is from 210 stock turbo hp.

turbo lag, which results in weak acceleration, compared to "gitty up and go" power of a na car. thats what i think the main difference in performance would be. gs-t's and gs-x's have a lot of turbo lag, not as bad as other cars, but its not a very good thing when u gotta wait till about 5500 rpm's in order to shoot forward.

 

[adgators99]

yeah, they are heavier as well, so they may have turbo, but off the line the gs-t's are comparable to gs's, however due to awd the gsx is quicker off the line even though It's heavier(that's if I'm correct about that statement)

so point is until 5500 rpms it's a waste of time to get a gs-t, I would never hit boost if I had one of them, roads around here are too curvy and slanted, 5500rpms would be a big feet to reach, of course the highway would be a different story

 

[NyteDSM96]

yeah, they are heavier as well, so they may have turbo, but off the line the gs-t's are comparable to gs's, however due to awd the gsx is quicker off the line even though It's heavier(that's if I'm correct about that statement)

so point is until 5500 rpms it's a waste of time to get a gs-t, I would never hit boost if I had one of them, roads around here are too curvy and slanted, 5500rpms would be a big feet to reach, of course the highway would be a different story

gs's and rs's are much heavier. and yes gsx's are faster off the line. now, i said MY car spools up to 5500 rpm's, maybe other cars boost at 4000 rpm when u really need it not when ur gunning the shit outta ur car. a gst might not the best thing for you... but it sure as hell works good as f*** for me except for the fact that every God damn cop has to look at me hard... damn police...

 

[jimwross]

Well there are a quite a few things wrong with this conversation to start off with...

1st off, to answer the question of a NA car w/ 210 HP and a turbo car w/ 210, you all are saying that the NA car would whoop some ass. Thats your first mistake. That NA car isn't going to hit peak HP in to WAY up in the RPM range, the turbo car will hit fairly low. This guy that said he is spooling (full boost i assume) at 5500 rpm must have an ungodly large turbo, or something is seriously wrong with his car. 1st Generation DSM's w/ the 14b should hit full boost by 3500, a 2nd gen w/ a t-25 should hit it even sooner, you'll get full boost at a little over 3000. Don't forget, however, that this means FULL boost, its not like you aren't building boost as you rev up.

I'm not a NT hater at all, I had an ESI-T that I built, researched and put over a years worth of time in too, before I bought a Spyder GS-T. NT's are great, and if you have the knowledge and the knowhow, they can be quick. NT's with some sort of forced induction (nitrous, turbo) are not something to be ####ed with... although it takes quite a bit of work to get there.

If your goal is to be a 14 second car, yes its achievable. 420a w/ Turbo? are you willing to invest in building the engine so you can safely run more the 6psi? Do you understand the fuel requirements? How to tune ?

Basically this argument comes down to name calling "Your car is slow!" "No its not!" whatever. Get over it! Its your car, if you like it, thats all that really matters, most of us have never met each other, and its just the internet! Shit gas prices being what they are now, almost makes me want mine back!

If your in to going fast, obviously your going prob want an AWD Turbo DSM. If your goal is to look really good, go moderately fast, have lower insurance rates, get better gas mileage, then hey... you've got a decent car.

But, i'm done babbling...

 

[adgators99]

good points, I was unaware of when some turbo's reach full boost, if they do at 3000 or 3500, then that is awesome with out a doubt. even at up to 4000-4500 would be ok, but 5500 is way to high for full boost, seems like the car would kind of bog after shifting and stuff, but then again, I don't know, that's just a thought.

i know I enjoy my GS, to turbo it maybe later would be nice, but I like it just the way it is
pretty quick car

Why is the gs heavier than an gsx or gst? shouldn't they have more components