help fresh rebuild serious issues

[xpertsoldier]

I have a 95 eclipse gst. The motor was just rebuilt forged rods forged pistons cometic gasket, head rebuilt ss valves etc. all the good stuff lots of money....

anyhow the mechanic called me today told me it was ready I picked it up drove about 40 miles and boom the car stalled. I tried to start it and nothing .... I called the mechanic he had me check the voltage on the battery which is one day old.. it was find check this check that... He then told me to check the timing belt I told him nope it looks good its still tight and not torn. I have my friend watch it while I tried to start the car again and it isn't even moving now!

I am freaking out lots of money into the car and I don't even know where to start or what to expect. Please fellow DSMers help me!

 

[TTstealth94]

Um, boom as is BOOM (Noise)?

Does it crank when you turn the key, or does it just click?

 

[ajpm26]

I hope your mechanic is a good one, either way, I'm assuming you had paid him to do all the work? Make him look over all of it.

The things you have to deal with when you don't know exactly how its being built sucks. I'm not sure what to suggest cause there's so many ways to go with this but you had the mechanic work on it, he should be messing with it and see what he may or may not have done wrong.

 

[tsi209]

Yes man take it back to him and have him look at it

 

[nickk90]

^ more like take it back and make him fix it.
its not like your talking about 4,000 miles later, you've only got 40 miles on it

 

[xpertsoldier]

I went down there the mechanic said the cam seized. He took the cam off and one of the oil holes on the exhaust cam is missing. It wasn't getting oil and it like melted the hole closed I guess. All of the other holes were fine and the rest of the cam was lubed just not this one specific spot. The timing belt was shredding on the inside like 4 of the grooves were filed down. Any idea how this happened? What needs to be done to fix it now. He said he was going to see if he could get that groove machined so that hole would be back. What to do now?

 

[dsm_92_fwd]

I went down there the mechanic said the cam seized. He took the cam off and one of the oil holes on the exhaust cam is missing. It wasn't getting oil and it like melted the hole closed I guess. All of the other holes were fine and the rest of the cam was lubed just not this one specific spot. The timing belt was shredding on the inside like 4 of the grooves were filed down. Any idea how this happened? What needs to be done to fix it now. He said he was going to see if he could get that groove machined so that hole would be back. What to do now?

Around me labor kills at anywher around 65-90 a hour. Having a shopcbuild your engine and buy all the parts must have killed. I would go back to him and make him pay for the damages done and replace and rebuild needed parts. As for why jt happened i ask the simple bu dumb question of did he break it in properly? Its weir that this happened after only 40 miles. Problems like this are most common during break in. Because parts start working and meshing together my guess is as simple as after the break in he didnt go over the engine and retightened and retourqed everything. And to (nof saying it happened sounds like it) when it seized and skipped time shearing the belt ide worry about bent valves and such. Just my .02 i just pray he fixes it and youre happy with it ige heard some horror stories GL bro

 

[96awd]

40 miles huh? how were you driving it? If it was easy, break in then take it back and make sure he fixes it or reimburses your money. if there's one thing i learned, do your own work. You'll save tons of money and actually know whats done and if it was done properly. I'm in the process of doing my own work. I had my motor rebuilt by a local shop and I trusted him with my car seeing he had 2 9 sec dsm's and a few evo's along with a built to shit lt1 42r car. he just took forever to do work. I will be doing my own work from now on. Just some insight.

 

[dsm_92_fwd]

40 miles huh? how were you driving it? If it was easy, break in then take it back and make sure he fixes it or reimburses your money. if there's one thing i learned, do your own work. You'll save tons of money and actually know whats done and if it was done properly. I'm in the process of doing my own work. I had my motor rebuilt by a local shop and I trusted him with my car seeing he had 2 9 sec dsm's and a few evo's along with a built to shit lt1 42r car. he just took forever to do work. I will be doing my own work from now on. Just some insight.

Lmao or have buddies like me build your shit while they learn and take off on thei own.... FTW LEWIS!!

But on a serious not that seems like a break in issue, has he had any prior dsm experience? Not every engine is the same. Seems like in a break in process you do oil chances all the time to. Clear any metal shavings from rings or ect. And it seems to me that built up over the process then you just got the ugly end man.

 

[donniekak]

You can take a zero mile engine and go full throttle out of the box for 40 miles and it shouldn't seize. A clogged oil galley, or just that specific oiling hole possibly was clogged from a contaminant. Possibly the head wasn't cleaned properly after milling.

 

[dsm_92_fwd]

You can take a zero mile engine and go full throttle out of the box for 40 miles and it shouldn't seize. A clogged oil galley, or just that specific oiling hole possibly was clogged from a contaminant. Possibly the head wasn't cleaned properly after milling.

+1 for the possibility

 

[xpertsoldier]

The mechanic told me this today "he talked to the machine shop and the motor was spinning too fast if it wasn't proper lubrication I wouldn't have made it down the street. The cylinder head is non repairable. And would need a new one. He won't know about the valves until the head is off".

I told him I didn't drive over 3000 rpm in any good I didn't come anywear near redline and I didn't go into boost at all. He said that he did nothing wrong and if I want it fixed I will have to pay him more. I didn't do anything wrong and the motor shouldn't have died after a few miles... the place that rebuilt the head also said they won't warranty it because "it was spinnkng too fast"

 

[Tyeler18]

It's their bs way of getting out of paying for it. Just tell him that he needs to show you proof it was spinning too fast or else you'll get your lawyer. Even if you don't have one, shops cringe at the word.

 

[96awd]

Lmao or have buddies like me build your shit while they learn and take off on thei own.... FTW LEWIS!!

But on a serious not that seems like a break in issue, has he had any prior dsm experience? Not every engine is the same. Seems like in a break in process you do oil chances all the time to. Clear any metal shavings from rings or ect. And it seems to me that built up over the process then you just got the ugly end man.

Completely true Brendan. Alot of my knowledge comes from this kid on building!

 

[xpertsoldier]

So today I went down to find out what is what. His father now got in on it and told me it again was my fault because I drove the car on the highway!!!! they are really grabbing at straws I told them I have had enough and I was going to tow the car out of there and bring it to a different mechanic they said no problem. I called the tow truck and then asked is the car easy to get to... They said yes, I went and looked and they had it boxed in. I asked them to move a car so I can get it out and the wrecker can get to it. They then told me they were moving anything until I paid them. I went back and forth why should I pay you... the car died after 20 miles. Went back and forth so anyways I called the cops they came out and told them they couldn't hold the car and that it was a civil matter.

Glad I got it out of there, I am just really astonished of their behavior, not warrantying their work. Not taking responsibility and trying to force me to pay them so that I can get my car to a proper mechanic. wow! I am sure a new head is in order I am going to take some pics and post them of the damages... Oh yeah there were kind enough to get overspray all over my hood and a fresh scratch in it!

 

[96DSM_Steve]

That's sucks. I'm glad you got your car back. I'm doing my own build now. I really do all my own work so I don't have to deal with BS like that. You probably might need to look into on getting a new head.

 

[BogusSVO]

sounds like a clogged oil port to that cam journal.....

or maybe that cam cap was on backwards or swapped from another head.... something took the oil clearance away....

 

[xpertsoldier]

Bogus you are right I heard from the new mechanic that he put the exhaust cam cap on wrong. He put the #3 Cap in the #2 Location and #2 in #3... So the damage is directly related to the mechanic doing something wrong. Which he denied up and down and came up with BS excuse on why he isn't responsible. We shall see what the court has to say about this. I am pretty sure the judge will rule in my favor. Its a shame that he was such a ahole yesterday. I would have let him make it right instead of dragging him through the legal system. Oh well

 

[Clinical]

Definitely take this to court. You shouldn't have an issue winning.

 

[donniekak]

Definitely take this to court. You shouldn't have an issue winning.

He should seek a legal remedy to this issue. However, have you ever been involved with the legal system? I have been owed over $2,000 by someone for almost 10 years now, and have never seen a dime. Getting paid can be a chore.

 

[Clinical]

I'm just saying that he shouldn't have an issue winning.
However was your case against a business of some sort like this? Because if so you should of been getting paid a long time ago.

 

[xpertsoldier]

went down and talked to these dicks again. They admitted that he put the cam bearings on in the wrong order and said yes that is prob what caused the problem. I told him I would give him a day to come up with how he wants to resolve this. I suggested he pays for parts I will pay the new mechanic labor and call it a night. I went back today... and he changed his story and said what he did didn't cause the motor to break. He said he checked the cams and they weren't bound. I told him again he put the caps back in the wrong order and that caused it. So I guess court it is... They don't want to do the right thing. What a shocker sorry POS!

 

[dj-t]

Have your tried contacting the Dept. of Automotive Repair or the BBB? They might be able to step in and help resolve this issue without you losing anymore money on courts and lawyers.

I don't think you should even put put a penny more to get your car fix. Have him get you all the parts necessary and have him pay for the labor for the new mechanic. Its not your fault, have the new mechanic give you a written statement of what he found or might be in the work order and all that has been said and done by old mechanic put everything on paper. Call the Dept. Auto Repair and BBB let them know about the predicament that you are in and see if they can offer any correct step to get this resolve before going to court.

Again if it was me I would not give a penny more for any repairs that needs to be done. Next time if you ever go back to talk with the mechanic have some folk come along with you as witness to the conversation that has happen. In court its your words against his. The more people you have to back up your statements the more chances you get.

Good Luck

 

[boosted86]

sucks man. i had a similar issue when i bought my first dsm. have multiple mechanics look at it( from different shops) and make sure they all come to the same conclusion on paper ( cam caps installed incorrectly) bring these documents to your dick mechanic and tell them that you will use this evidence against him in court if he does not rectify his mistake.

 

[Dylan0123]

So how did this turn out for you Xpertsoldier? Did you ever get it worked out?