GST or GSX for daily driven/raced car

[NeedAGST]

What would u say i should get...a 2nd gen gst or gsx...

Only reason i ask is cuz an awd car consumes more gas (had an evo8 for about a week and gas mileage compared to my n/t 2g that thing was like a v8). and it is a bit heavier but the weight issue isnt THAT much of an issue becuz it is a fairly small car and its turbocharged awd. im leaning slightly to the GS-T because it is lighter and will consume less gas and is a "highway beast", but traction is an issue and an awd will handle a lot better. when i drove the evo, i could FEEL the awd. it was awesome. best car i've driven in my life. love the way i could handle the corners better than a fwd car and the feel of a better launch. Most of my driving and racing will be done on streets. once in a while freeway. also on a side note, could a stock GSX and GST take a RSX typeS?? thanks for the response. BTW: CAR FOR SALE. LOCATED IN CLASSIFIED UNDER MOST RECENT (1998 DSM ECLIPSE).

 

[halik008]

definately go AWD if you have the $$ to pay for it. You cannot comapre n/t dsm to evo8/gsx in terms of gas milage. That's like comapring minivan to vette, two totally different ball games.

I use to have TSi AWD and liked it much more then my currect FWD TSi...

halik

 

[midnght]

You will be happy with either car you choose.


Awd is nice to have for the inclement weather but the Fwd is nice to have for the taller gearing and the smaller cost of upkeep.

 

[NeedAGST]

hmm...well still doesnt change much of thought. I mean i always dreamed of a GSX because its awd turbo, but then i started readin more and found out the gst wins in the long run and how much hp awd loses on a roll, gas, etc.... i test drove a stock gsx but didnt have the chance to smash on the gas a littl ebecause the owner didnt want me doing that so the best i got in it was 4k shift every gear. i mean i was happy because thatwas before i drove a modified evo, but the awd feeling is excellent, but yes money is an issue. i can afford to take care of a car as long asi t doesnt have big failures on it like new transmission, new motor, nothin like that in the 1000s. so maintence is also an issue. but the gsx and gsts ive found have fairly low miles below 70k. and are slightly modified (exh, suspension, intake). also, is it smart to buy a used car with an upgraded turbo ie: 16Gs and such.

 

[paranoidTSi]

Daily Driver: GST, Race Car: GSX...that is my opinion.

Any true race begins from a dead stop period, it is nearly impossible to be 100% fair on races from a roll. I think racing from a roll on a freeway is just screwing around.

The only two drawbacks of a AWD vehicle is:
a) the weight (so a GST/GSX stock race from a roll the GST would win...however in either event a GSX takes a GST in a 1/4 run)
b) the maintance, AWD plays HELL with your suspension after launching it, all that power and it has no choice but to move the vehicle, where as GST you just spin your tires to death. Lots more pressure put on the suspension.

GSX is sought after more for a reason. If you want AWD, then you SHOULD wait and settle for no less than a GSX.

The Gas Mileage difference isn't even noticeable enough to be a legit reason not to buy a AWD vehicle. The mileage is barely different if at all.

My personal opinion is to get AWD, but you'll probably be happy with either.

 

[bhop]

I have a GS-T and it's ok for me, I don't really race, I just like to drive aggressively. However, the wheel spin and torque steer are very noticeable at times (such as getting on freeway ramps, going around sharp curves, etc.) I think if I had it to do over again, I would definitely get a GSX, no question about it.

 

[99gst_racer]

What would u say i should get...a 2nd gen gst or gsx...

Only reason i ask is cuz an awd car consumes more gas (had an evo8 for about a week and gas mileage compared to my n/t 2g that thing was like a v8).

AWD's do not consume more gas as apposed to FWD's. The EVO8 consumed more because it has forced induction and puts out double the power of a 2G N/T.

im leaning slightly to the GS-T because it is lighter and will consume less gas and is a "highway beast".

Like I said, the GST's and GSX's have the same motor, the same fuel system, and the same HP. They will get the same gas mileage. And you are right, the FWD's are considered to be highway beasts simply because they are about 300 lbs lighter that the AWD's.

If traction is an issue, and you love the feel of AWD, then get the GSX. Afterall, it is hard to keep two tires planted on the ground w/ 200+ HP. But is you wont be doing many launches, and you want to be a highway beast, go with the FWD.

also on a side note, could a stock GSX and GST take a RSX typeS??

I've never experience a race with these two cars, but if I had to guess, I would go with the DSM. It would be a very good and close race though.

 

[czech09]

definately go AWD if you have the $$ to pay for it. You cannot comapre n/t dsm to evo8/gsx in terms of gas milage. That's like comapring minivan to vette, two totally different ball games.

I use to have TSi AWD and liked it much more then my currect FWD TSi...

halik

haha what he said exactly same situation about to get a gst and selling my tsi awd most likely tomorrow

halik how's it going man ? how's college for you ?

 

[ryu]

not much point in saying but, another reason fwd is qicker on the highway is because fwd loses less hp through th e drivetrain... must be like a 5-10 % more lose in power with the awd... later

 

[halik008]

haha what he said exactly same situation about to get a gst and selling my tsi awd most likely tomorrow

halik how's it going man ? how's college for you ?

he he he I haven't started college back up yet. Tommorrow (Wed) is my 1st day. I don't think it's going to be any different from the last year, except there is probably going to be more partying involved

halik

 

[NeedAGST]

thx for all the replies. wel i never drove a fwd turbocharged car before so i guess i never knew the gas mileage wasnt that much of a diff from awd. Well i've decided to aim for a GSX. If i cant find one, ill go with the GST and i know ill be satisified. As long as i am pushing over 200+, am turbocharged, and the car is sexy as hell i am good to go. All this sounds like a 2g turbocharged dsm to me . yea also, the issue wit the hp loss due to all 4 wheels need to be moved instead of 2 brings on thoughts of maintence issues. the reason i asked about the rsx-s question is cuz i know some guy who is pushin a bone stock typeS (200hp) vs a 2nd gen turbo rx7 which has close to 250 or 270 or somethin and he feels hes gonna win against the 7. And the GST and GSX have 210hp. also, the typeS does have a 6th gear. A personal reason to get a gst or gsx is cuz i wanna be able to take the regular cars i see on the streets....civics, v6 accords, preludes, gsr integras, si hatchbacks, typeS', and after i'm modded... srt4s, evo's, sti's, ss camaros, saleen stangs, etc... i cant wait til the day i spank an evo cuz when i drove that car i felt like i couldnt lose. that car was so fast. almost got whiplash between shifts...but also i've never driven a 2g eclipse turbo yet...

 

[DSMNightmare]

You will love the AWD. I've had both and I was happy with both. As far as the FWD is faster on the highway than the AWD theory.... well it's just that... a theory. I do know two guys who both did a highway pull with equal mods and neither could pull on the other. There are too many real world factors to take into consideration as well. Sure one car is lighter than the other but when the car is only making 200hp stock it's going to take a long time to notice a difference. Also unless your prepared to do the ECU mod to a FWD it does not matter because FWDs have a speed limiter of 130-135mph on the 2G turbo models.

 

[Jason99DSM]

dont rule out TSi AWD, save a few hundred bucks

 

[my95tsi]

GST's and GSX's both have there ups and downs. I street race my car all the time but i'll never bring it to the drag strip. I'm going to a roadrace course within the next year but thats about it. It all depends on what you want as a driver. I wouldn't trade my gst for anything. I like the fast highway pulls and the quick response. I drove both a stock gst and gsx and personally i didn't like the gsx b/c it didn't have enough power compared toa gst from a roll, it was pretty laggy. AWD are for launching, they give you momentum to get out of the hole but thats it. I just drive my gst for fun and its a fun car to drive. If you get lsd it makes all the difference in the world. Way better handling and better traction. As for a beating an rsx type s. I don't know why people think they are fast. They can probably compete against a stock gst but i've raced several even one with a jspec type r motor and beat all.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I drove both a stock gst and gsx and personally i didn't like the gsx b/c it didn't have enough power compared toa gst from a roll, it was pretty laggy. AWD are for launching, they give you momentum to get out of the hole but thats it.

You must have gotten your hands on bad AWD because I noticed none of what you are talking about.

 

[BlackHalo]

You will love the AWD. I've had both and I was happy with both. As far as the FWD is faster on the highway than the AWD theory.... well it's just that... a theory. I do know two guys who both did a highway pull with equal mods and neither could pull on the other. There are too many real world factors to take into consideration as well. Sure one car is lighter than the other but when the car is only making 200hp stock it's going to take a long time to notice a difference. Also unless your prepared to do the ECU mod to a FWD it does not matter because FWDs have a speed limiter of 130-135mph on the 2G turbo models.

Ditto what he said... i ran my friends gsx with the same basic mods as mine from a 2nd gear pull to the middle of 4th and neither one of us could pull... It was dead even as it gets.

 

[NeedAGST]

wow... decisions decisions. it seems to me a gst would satisfy me almost just as much as the GSX except for the launch factor. Well it all now comes down to what kinda deal i find on both cars I suppose. ALso, does the gsx have that "awd howl" when on the fwy? The evo would howl. I like that noise for some reason.

 

[my95tsi]

Seriously dude there muct have been something wrong with your car. I love both gst's and gsx's and a highly modded gsx will own the streets. But there is no way a gsx should be dead even with a gst from a roll with exactly the same mods. Physics just doesn't work that way. It takes much less power to move your car than it does to move a gsx. Plus they are heavier. So a heavier car with less whp beat your car. :thumbdown

Ditto what he said... i ran my friends gsx with the same basic mods as mine from a 2nd gear pull to the middle of 4th and neither one of us could pull... It was dead even as it gets.

 

[siceclipse]

GSX hands down

 

[saw wave analog]

the best way to answer this question is to compare the number of posts you see where people say they regret fwd and wish they had awd (4325377356) vs. the number of people that dont like their awd and wish they had gotten fwd (2). the awd's are just better cars period, no traction issues, no torque steer, no wheel hop, good in any weather, faster in the 1/4, AMAZING launches... most people get fwd because they couldnt find a good awd.

 

[BlackHalo]

Seriously dude there muct have been something wrong with your car. I love both gst's and gsx's and a highly modded gsx will own the streets. But there is no way a gsx should be dead even with a gst from a roll with exactly the same mods. Physics just doesn't work that way. It takes much less power to move your car than it does to move a gsx. Plus they are heavier. So a heavier car with less whp beat your car. :thumbdown

Yea, i actually thought i would pull on him... i gave him the jump and ended up catching up to his door and we actually only ran to the end of third and shut it down. But at that point no one was pulling. But both of our cars are pretty much stock.. only mbc's and exhaust and bov etc.

 

[my95tsi]

I plan on getting an awd some day possibly a 99 gsx but i consider my fwd to be a challenge. I plan on putting the 2.3 in it along with a 50 trim next summer an of course a built tranny from TRE. I want to be a low 11 sec. street car but i will be getting help from nitrous, not much but just enough though.

 

[Toshiro]

I don't think you'll really see anyone recommending a FWD. My GST was my first FWD car (had owned an AWD and a RWD beforehand), and I'll never buy a FWD again unless I'm going to get a car strictly for commuting. I should have waited it out for a GSX. :thumbdown

 

[TrystanGST]

Yeah, a GSX may be able to hole-shot me, but I can put the top down

 

[1fast97gsx]

I don't think you'll really see anyone recommending a FWD. My GST was my first FWD car (had owned an AWD and a RWD beforehand), and I'll never buy a FWD again unless I'm going to get a car strictly for commuting. I should have waited it out for a GSX. :thumbdown

yea I agree there. Keep in mind a true race is from a stop. And the minor differences in gearing and drivetrain loss is not worth going with fwd. fwd = no traction and wheel hop. If you notice ... the only people that will recommend a fwd over an awd and come up with these silly excuses are fwd owners. Not 1 awd guy will say go with fwd ... some fwd will go ahead and admit awd is better while most make up lame excuses. Go with awd unless you don't plan on modding on racing the car ... then get whatever is cheaper.