Garrett made in ?china?

[donniekak]

interesting post about Garrett turbos. - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

 

[snakeyes711]

Good find, not surprising. Very interesting info. I wonder why will people run a good thing into the ground to make a few million dollars...Well there you have it, Quick money, low overhead, get out quick.

 

[JusMX141]

Interesting read, for sure. Seems this Garrett employee is highlighting what I've already discovered with Garrett's failed thrust hardware and snapped turbine shafts.

My favorite part of the post would have to be:

"The LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru's. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little."

....so Garrett and PTE are the same company?

 

[Morphius]

Initial post:

Garrett Turbos...The end of a quality product - NASIOC

 

[helluvadsm]

This is sad to hear. America is just taking a harder hit everytime we ship something out to be made, and the quality of products here is getting progressively worse and worse.
Now Im sure that I want a holset turbo for the future..

 

[JusMX141]

Member 98gst14b could add to this thread.

He bought a brand new Garrett 50-trim from a reputable vendor which lasted less than 500 miles fed from the filter housing....the thrust plate failed causing extreme in/out play. The turbo was repaired and lasted less than 500 miles when the thrust bearing failed again. That's two Garrett thrust failures in less than 1000 miles.

Frustrated and broke, I found him a WA-Line (Chinese) 60-trim which is the equivalent of a SBR / Kinetic G60 for around $300 which is still on his car and boosting to this day.

China - 1, Garrett - 0.

 

[snakeyes711]

WOW, even maybe a Ebay turbo would last that long.

 

[THE_ARTIST_]

Ive been through 3 Garrett turbos (1 was PTE) 2 were new and failed, then rebuilt (including the PTE) and failed again. So I was done with them a while ago. MHI/Borg/Holset for me.

my 1995 T25 was good when I took it off (last year), minimal shaft play never smoked...

 

[TSIMonsteR]

my 1995 T25 was good when I took it off (last year), minimal shaft play never smoked...

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So, you've had 4 garretts then, and the t25 was the reliable one.

 

[dsm-onster]

Buying used looks more appealing now

A close friend of mine with a 6.0L powerstroke has been through 3 garretts. . . He's looking at other options.

"BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do." . . . The ct26 has always had poor reliability from my years of messing with the 3sgte and turbo 5sfe cars.

WOW! so there's a real reasin why my two honeywell fans failed. I though I was getting a deal a wally for them .

This is a funny video posted on that thread :

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[JusMX141]

A close friend of mine with a 6.0L powerstroke has been through 3 garretts. . . He's looking at other options.

The 6.0 Powerstroke turbo was the first brand-name turbo of any kind that I've seen literally explode, blasting the compressor cover to pieces. This was by a local guy who used the truck daily in his construction business....the truck was used hard, but not abused beyond the standards of what a Super Duty truck would be expected.

 

[dsm-onster]

Yep, my buddy put an sct street tune in the truck. . . not the higher performance tune, which raises the boost even more. And BOOOOOM! . . . twice! Third time it happened with the stock tune . Seams reliability is going down by the month.

To keep the electronic gating, he's trying to figure out a way to get a holset chra into the garrett housing.

 

[Shearer]

The original post is BS. Garrett is moving the Lomita Blvd. operations to the 190th facility. I can only guess that the OP is pissed off cause he was cut in reorganization or somethign along those lines. And yes a lot of Garrett's stuff is made overseas, it's been that way for years and it's nothing new.

 

[dsm-onster]

Honeywell to Begin Major Downsizing at Torrance Facility.(Honeywell Garrett Engine Boosting)(Brief Article) - Los Angeles Business Journal | Encyclopedia.com

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Honeywell+to+Begin+Major+Downsizing+at+Torrance+Facility-a080953516

Considering the above has been out for a while now and considering this: "They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little." To where ever they would move Torrance operations, the new place would still be repackaging.

Even Honeywell states that manufacturing had ramped up in mexicali. Click.

There's no mention on the entire honeywell site of manufacturing at 190th street.

Please correct me if I missed something on their site.

 

[greddy_1700]

Any new news on this?

 

[JusMX141]

Any new news on this?

Nothing new, except that Garrett (a primarily US-based company) is outsourcing their parts to China and Mexico while Holset (a primarily UK-based company) builds and assembles many of their turbos in Charleston, SC.

Go figure.

 

[greddy_1700]

So then it is true that the quality of Garrett turbo's has gone way down... this is extremely sad as I was really looking forward to running a 35R on my car in the next year or two, I suppose I will have to start looking more seriously at Holsets and Borg Warner now.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Ball bearing quality hasn't really gone down. Price gouging is more the culprit here. Thier journal bearing turbo's are turning into junk.

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

The 6.0 Powerstroke turbo was the first brand-name turbo of any kind that I've seen literally explode, blasting the compressor cover to pieces. This was by a local guy who used the truck daily in his construction business....the truck was used hard, but not abused beyond the standards of what a Super Duty truck would be expected.

Yep, my buddy put an sct street tune in the truck. . . not the higher performance tune, which raises the boost even more. And BOOOOOM! . . . twice! Third time it happened with the stock tune . Seams reliability is going down by the month.

To keep the electronic gating, he's trying to figure out a way to get a holset chra into the garrett housing.

Those same turbos always have sticking vanes, and there are a couple of other TSB's that all apply to the turbo.

 

[JusMX141]

Those same turbos always have sticking vanes, and there are a couple of other TSB's that all apply to the turbo.

....yet there are other non-Chinese Variable Geometry Turbine turbochargers begin used on other truck brands with great success. A couple of these have even been used on DSMs.

Again, go figure.

 

[donniekak]

Ball bearing quality hasn't really gone down. Price gouging is more the culprit here. Thier journal bearing turbo's are turning into junk.

I agree. The ball bearing turbos are rock solid, but way overpriced. While the journal bearing turbos are junk. You just can't push the garrett journal turbos. I push mitsu turbos so far off the map it isn't funny. People are wasting journal garretts smack dab in the middle of their design specs. I guess the big t4 compressors in a t3 frame were only holding up as long as quality was top notch.

 

[dsm-onster]

Don't t4 shafts have a larger diameter?

 

[JusMX141]

The straight-up T4 "big shaft" turbines are larger in the bearing area, but the thickness of the shaft where the compressor wheel fits is the same as a T3 shaft.

 

[dsm-onster]

The harmonics going through a small shaft via a high speed large major diamter compressor that must see such a high speed to mantain enough boost to clear flow through the small turbine in the first place is a clear cause for t3/t4 failure in my book. I'm sure you know more about it than me. But t3s were were never designed for t4 flow levels. Engineering a larger wheel that flows more to also spool faster would have been a good direction to take. But I'm no financial advisor for garrett.

 

[Leonthefaded]

So if Garrett Turbos are being made in china, why not buy a 200 dollar ebay turbo and rebuild it with a named brand kit? Isnt this cost effective?