FP 3052 max boost

[awd4u]

hey guy's im getting a 2.3l stroker, in my car over the winter. and i want to upgrade the turbo, i want to run high boost. 30lbs + can the FP3052 handle that? or do you guys suggest a different turbo? i ran 25 psi easily on my 16g, it would be wierd if a FP3052 can't handle 30-40 psi . so i want to find out. iam also aiming for 500+ whp. thanks !

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

From what I can gather, boost in the mid 30s and 52-55lbs/min is going to be about the most you should reasonably expect from this turbo before you are way out of its efficiency range as well as starting to overspeed.

FP doesn't release their maps ofcourse, but this is based on looking at the 3076R map.

And yes I am aware of one person making nearly 600whp on this turbo, but those results are not typical.

 

[RWD4G63]

Yes, the 3052 can do 30psi. And it will be way different than your 16G at 25psi.

 

[ILLiCliPSE]

I run this turbo, and I'd say keep it in the low 30psi range (31-32psi) and you'll be ok. Anything past that you'll be over the limit. Should pull nice too, felt great at 26psi on pump, cant wait for 30+ on E85.

 

[JusMX141]

Don't classify turbos as "how much boost can they make"....think more along the lines of "how efficient will this turbo be at the boost level I'm planning on running".

Max boost will be when the turbo stops generating airflow. Above that you're just pushing the turbo beyond it's efficiency, where the compressor will do nothing but generate hot air and knock will surely occur as a result.

 

[awd4u]

i don't get how the FP3052 makes way more power than a 16g at same boost levels. i mean i know it's a biger turbo. but the boost level suprises me. you guy's think i would be happy with the fp3052? i always wanted a bigger turbo , i hit 316 whp on racegas 26 psi. that's stock bottom end.

 

[ILLiCliPSE]

Put 16psi in a small cube. Now expand that cube to double its size. Same amount of air, just less pressure. Now match the now bigger cube to 16psi, you now have a lot more air than you started with, but at the same psi. That's how I think of it .

 

[awd4u]

so what's a better turbo? FP3052 or a hx40?

 

[JusMX141]

You're comparing a 52 lb/min turbo to one that has logged a solid 70 lb/min. Not even in the same ballpark.

 

[ILLiCliPSE]

There is no 'better' turbo. It's all about what YOU want.

 

[awd4u]

Well, i want 500+ whp, and i would like to grow into the turbo as well. I do want fast spool. The car is.driven on the stree mostly i want mid to low 11 sec 1/4 mile, what turbo you guys suggest?

Just a street monster mid-low 11 sec. Decent quick spool

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Step up to a T3 frame, divided hotside.

You're probably going to be looking in the neighborhood of the HX35, S200sx or GT35s in order to have a shot at a consistent, reliable 500whp.

Low 11's in a street car are going to require everything else to be in good order, especially the tune and the driver.

You have much research ahead of you. The turbo, especially spool, is the least of your concerns, no offense.

 

[JusMX141]

Holset HY35 from a '99-'02 automatic Dodge Ram with a Cummins. Full boost around 4200 in 3rd on flat ground.

Both cars in this video are using HY35's:

[email protected] & 11.47 @ 133.0 HY35 powered 2g DSMs - YouTube


The red Spyder is running Q16, the blue car is running pump fuel (BP 93). Both have 2.0 engines with boost around 33-35psi. The blue car has since gone 10.86 on better tires and track prep (still on pump fuel), and is the current HY35 leader.

 

[rommel rojasgsx]

Or you can always skip the 52 and go with 3065

 

[awd4u]

so the FP 3052 wouldn't get me a low 11?, il be using pump 94/meth. i appreciate your guy's help. thats why im posting on here cause you guy's would know more than me. hmm, is there another turbo that would be good for my set up? id like to be in the good 11 sec consistant set up. street. doesn't HAVE to get me into 500whp. but would still like if it can handle alittle over 500 whp so i can grow into it a tad more.

 

[1990AWD]

If the FP 3052 can flow 52 lbs/min that's the potential of 500hp which should net low 11s on a properly setup car quite easy. There are people in the tens with 500hp.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

That comes down to the driver, and you would have to be pushing that 3076 compressor pretty hard to get there.

Trap speed comes down to power, but the ET is on the driver.

 

[BigBeans]

I have a 3052.

I'm seeing 52lbs/min @ 26psi at 7500rpm on a 2.0. I run about 30psi to increase the midrange TQ, but the turbo is technically maxed at 26 with big cams and a SMIM on a 2Liter. If you want 500whp with pump gas as a primary fuel, use a bigger turbo. With the stroker the 3065 would be better suited to your needs being streetable and making 500+whp.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I have a 3052.

I'm seeing 52lbs/min @ 26psi at 7500rpm on a 2.0. I run about 30psi to increase the midrange TQ, but the turbo is technically maxed at 26 with big cams and a SMIM on a 2Liter. If you want 500whp with pump gas as a primary fuel, use a bigger turbo. With the stroker the 3065 would be better suited to your needs being streetable and making 500+whp.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[1SloEvo]

I'm a fan of PTE turbos since I've ran them a couple times. Get a 5857 in T3 form with a .82 hotside. Small enough to give decent spoolup with enough flow to get you 500whp...and then some.

The 3065 is still a good turbo. On the Evo I know of locally, it spooled a bit slower than the owner was hoping for. He was in the 440whp range on E85 on a Mustang dyno at only 27~ish psi. His torque however, was only in the 350-360 range.

 

[RWD4G63]

Yes, I agree with the two posts above.

If you're looking for cheap, go for an HX35, in the twin-scroll housings, they make big power and spool fast.

If you want simple, go with a single scroll 3076.

There is also the S200SX, which is what I'll be running, and it's somewhat a mix of the above two.

I would really encourage you to do a LOT of research and find out what kind of power/lag compromise you want before you go spending a LOT of money on a turbo.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I had a Borg Warner S200sx (59/74), first with the BEP bolt on .55A/R and then in the .70A/R T3

It is a 650whp turbo in the T3 housing that'll spool like a TD05H-18G in the bolt on housing.

Like a 16G on crack. Will easily do 500whp in the bolt on housing as well.

I would also recommend the Divided T3 HX35.

 

[1MeanTSI]

16g on crack...that is impressive!!! Imma have to check that out. Thats like hulk on roids

 

[bastarddsm]

Yes, I agree with the two posts above. The hotside on a 3052 is simply too small to support that kind of airflow.

If you're looking for cheap, go for an HX35, in the twin-scroll housings, they make big power and spool fast.

What data do you have to back all of this up? Have you ran a t/s hx35, and a 3052? I'm doubting that.

I have run a t/s hx35 in both 12 and 20cm housings, an open t3 hx35 in both 12 an 20cm housing, and a HY35. And from that I can tell you that the t/s sucks for flow compared to the open t3. A t/s hx35 in a 12cm housing doesn't even flow as good as a hy35 setup.

Further more, what data do you have that the 3052 is restricted on the hotside? Jesus, the 3065 uses the exact same hotside, and it has made well into the 600's, so I'm at a loss how the 3052 could be restrictive?

I love all the newbs on here that are suddenly experts on turbo setups.

End of story is: the 3052 will net you 450ish whp on 93 if you have the setup to go with it. It will also make more than 500whp on E85. Either way, if you can't get in the 11's on a decently setup 3052 and 93, either your setup sucks, or you can't drive. I mean common, there are guys claiming to make 500whp on 16g's, there is no reason the 3052 can't make power.

Op originally you asked about how much boost you can run. You need to find a post on tuners called " compressor maps explained" its has been updated today, so it should be easy to find. You'll also want to find a gt 3076 compressor map. From the info in the post and a compressor map, you should be able to see what your going to be dealing with on a 3052.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I am not defending any particular poster aside from myself, but it is hilarious for you to assume that simply because we are new here that we are somehow not knowledgable by default.

There are plenty of members on this forum that have been here for years which display incredible ignorance on a daily basis. You wouldn't want to be lumped in with them, I'm sure.

I was the first reply in this thread, FFS:

From what I can gather, boost in the mid 30s and 52-55lbs/min is going to be about the most you should reasonably expect from this turbo before you are way out of its efficiency range as well as starting to overspeed.

FP doesn't release their maps ofcourse, but this is based on looking at the 3076R map.

And yes I am aware of one person making nearly 600whp on this turbo, but those results are not typical.

And the Compressor Maps explained thread is not exactly comprehensive. Not only that but compressor maps are not even the whole story. That is just accounting for the cold side and says nothing of the turbine expansion, etc. that dictates perfomance on the other end.

So take that crap elsewhere, and start discussing a certain post on its flaws or merits instead of broad-brushing a whole group of people because they simply didn't signup to a random online forum by the time you did.

You could link them to a practical application tutorial like the BorgWarner Matchbot:
http://www.turbodriven.com/performa...wts=400&pt6_wd=83&pt6_wd2=74&pt6_wrsin=92044&

How do you know that some of us weren't on the Link Forums or NABR?