FP 3052 max boost

[awd4u]

hey guy's im getting a 2.3l stroker, in my car over the winter. and i want to upgrade the turbo, i want to run high boost. 30lbs + can the FP3052 handle that? or do you guys suggest a different turbo? i ran 25 psi easily on my 16g, it would be wierd if a FP3052 can't handle 30-40 psi . so i want to find out. iam also aiming for 500+ whp. thanks !

 

[bastarddsm]

Well then, show us some of your work that shows otherwise? I'd like to see the consistent 500whp HX35 on pump gas your talking about? Cite some articles that show that a divided t3 setup is much better than a open t3.

Come on now, Anyone can read and post about what other people have done. What work have you done to back up your claims that you are 'knoweldgeable"?

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

So because the majority of cheap half ass DSMers fail to pull 500whp out of a nearly 60lb/min turbo, that somehow negates my knowledge and accomplishments? Get over yourself. Who are you and what have you done?

I have built and tuned more than my fair share of setups, but I don't feel the need to have some e-penis waving contest with an internet tough guy.

An open T3 wth a comparable critical area can ostensibly make more power on the top end, but there will be less area under the curve. This car will not be a pure drag build, however. The owner is concerned with spool and streetability.

If you don't understand the benefits of dividing the exhaust pulses that is your problem. I am sure all those major OEMs, Mitsubishi included just have no idea what they were thinking when they decided to go with a dual entry turbine housing.

Guess they should've consulted you first, huh?

 

[bastarddsm]

I am not defending any particular poster aside from myself, but it is hilarious for you to assume that simply because we are new here that we are somehow not knowledgable by default.

There are plenty of members on this forum that have been here for years which display incredible ignorance on a daily basis. You wouldn't want to be lumped in with them, I'm sure.

I was the first reply in this thread, FFS:


And the Compressor Maps explained thread is not exactly comprehensive. Not only that but compressor maps are not even the whole story. That is just accounting for the cold side and says nothing of the turbine expansion, etc. that dictates perfomance on the other end.

So take that crap elsewhere, and start discussing a certain post on its flaws or merits instead of broad-brushing a whole group of people because they simply didn't signup to a random online forum by the time you did.

You could link them to a practical application tutorial like the BorgWarner Matchbot:
BorgWarner MatchBot

How do you know that some of us weren't on the Link Forums or NABR?

Your right, my post on compressor maps isn't comprehensive. But does it really even matter? The idea behind is to come up with a reasonable idea of what compressor wheel will work with a setup. For the average layman to be able to comprehend the idea, compromises have to be made. I feel that your forgetting this a forum for average schmucks modding outdated cars, not a turbocharger systems engineering forum. Why don't you post the details I'm missing?

You right, it was wrong of me to assume ignorance of a newb to this forum, but so far you have done nothing to prove other that you can search Google with the best of em.

Show something that you've done and make me eat some crow.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

What do you want to see?

Is there some ambiguous burden of proof that will make you less of an elitist dick?

Off the top of my head on the various cars I've owned included SBC and BBC Chevies, a Cummins Ram, Toyotas, Hondas, Hyundais, etc. I have had (not necessarily in this order) 14b, S16G Greddy 18G, T25 GT2560, GT2860RS, GT3582, 7-blade HX35, GT4088, S259, HX52 and HX52Pro.

Inevitably there have been some knock-offs too. Including the 61mm Open T4 V-Band chinese turbo I am using as the primary on a compound setup going on a 1.5L Honda.

Additionally I am also currently building a 90cc Honda trike with a tiny-ass IHI RHB turbo.

I build for friends and family, as well as doing some private contracting for friends of friends, etc.

Now I am primarily focusing my current DSM on Standing Mile and LandSpeed events. I am not looking to break records, I am looking for an engineering challenge. I want to get my 200mph License on the pavement at Loring.

I rarely if ever go to the dyno, almost everything is tuned on the street with the odd handful of times I have gone to Joliet or Union Grove. I can only estimate the power produced by using known weight, logged acceleration through the VSS and airflow.

The plan is to get some shakedown runs in the new Pro52 setup at Union Grove, before I go to the Texas Mile next year, then Loring the year after, and ultimately Bonneville for a run on the Salt.

Now, what have you done?

 

[bastarddsm]

Get over yourself. Who are you and what have you done?

I have built and tuned more than my fair share of setups, but I don't feel the need to have some e-penis waving contest with an internet tough guy.


If you don't understand the benefits of dividing the exhaust pulses that is your problem. I am sure all those major OEMs, Mitsubishi included just have no idea what they were thinking when they decided to go with a dual entry turbine housing.

Guess they should've consulted you first, huh?

Well, my name is Kurt Stuart, I'm from Mendota Illinois, I ride a '09 Yz450 in AMA district 17 +25 motocross. I'm the first private individual to do a AWD conversion on a 1g dsm. I've gone 11.75@122 in that car on a hx35, I was limited by my 750cc injectors. I was the first person to figure out how to do pressure indexed maps using the standard E931 code. I tuned the worlds highest horsepower 3.0" turbo duramax. It was also the first one to run triple cp3 fuel pumps, and a bosch MS15.1 ecu. I hold a b.s in physics with a 3.95 gpa, a M.S. in Manufacutring engineering with a 4.0 Gpa, and I'm currently working on a PhD in engineering science, my dissertation research involves the study of a turbocharged Atkinson cycle engine. I have also been appointed to two 10 week internships with the U.S. Department of Energy, at Argonne National Laboratory.

So who the #### are you?

Additionally I am also currently building a 90cc Honda trike with a tiny-ass IHI RHB turbo.



Now, what have you done?

Good luck getting that thing to ever spool. I have the same unit sitting in a box. I bought it for a 250cc streetbike project.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Nice to meet you Mr. Stuart, My name is Chris.

I didn't come into this pretending to be a big shot. Nor do I have aspirations to be one, if that becomes the case I would be thrilled.

In the mean time I am trying to go back to school for aerospace engineering next fall while pulling 45 hours a week working managing an emergency response team that handles telecoms for the states of Illinois, Tennessee and Georgia while taking care of my father who has esophageal cancer.

My dream since I younger was to go to MIT and have the opportunity to study and work in their Gas Turbine Laboratory. Funny you should mention Argonne a good friend of mine interned there over the summer, after she Wrapped up her degree at UC Berkeley.

I currently have a BA- Business Management (last semester attended was 4.0 for 19 credit hours) in the hopes I can land a job that will help me pay his medical costs while covering some of my own tuition as the cost for engineering school was prohibitive initially since I have had to pay for everything out of pocket and didn't feel like saddling myself with untold thousands in FAFSA loans.

Now if you recall, this back and forth started with my amusement at your assertion that simply because my login is new that I am somehow not knowledgable by default.

So what have you proved here outside of the fact that you have an enormous ego?

Make no mistake, I do find your achievements impressive, but I find it curious how you could outright dismiss the potential for someone new to a forum to contribute and reject that a different perspective can have value.

So now that we have dragged this completely off topic, I would like to apologize to the OP.

Good luck getting that thing to ever spool. I have the same unit sitting in a box. I bought it for a 250cc streetbike project.

I agree, it is not the best match by any means, but I was offered the turbo from a friend who's project had to be parted out and thought it would be fun. If you can think of a smaller snail, or where to source one I am all ears.

 

[bastarddsm]

In the mean time I have gone back to school for aerospace engineering while pulling 45 hours a week working and taking care of my father who has esophageal cancer.

My dream since I younger was to go to MIT and have the opportunity to study and work in their Gas Turbine Laboratory.

I currently have a BA- Business Management (last semester attended was 4.0 for 19 credit hours) in the hopes I can land a job that will help me pay his medical costs while covering some of my own tuition as the cost was prohibitive initially since I have had to pay for everything out of pocket and didn't feel like saddling myself with untold thousands in FAFSA loans.

Now if you recall, this back and forth started with my amusement at your assertion that simply because my login is new that I am somehow not knowledgable by default.

So what have you proved here outside of the fact that you have an enormous ego?

Make no mistake, I do find your achievements impressive, but I find it curious how you could outright dismiss the potential for someone new to a forum to contribute and reject that a different perspective can have value.

Sorry to hear about your father, that is unfortunate. I know I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for my own father.

Skip undergrad AE, get into gradschool, and they pay you to goto school. Going to MIT would be a great opportunity, that I would be envious of. I do know where your coming from with paying for everything. I'm not thrilled with the idea of entering repayment.

I will admit, I do have a bit of an ego, but shit happens when you party naked.

Yeah, this certainly started from you assuming that I directed that one post toward you. I'll admit it was about 25% directed at you, and I was wrong for that.

I agree, it is not the best match by any means, but I was offered the turbo from a friend who's project had to be parted out and thought it would be fun. If you can think of a smaller snail, or where to source one I am all ears.

Ehh, I worded that poorly. Wasn't intending in sounding assish. I don't know of anything smaller. the garrett GT12 is bigger. I'm not sure on the mitsu td02 however. Even tho, I doubt its small enough. I can't remember the name, but on youtube there is a company using the IHI to turbo yamaha wr250x's they see full boost at like 6500, on a good flowing 250.

I have seen the flat honda motors supercharged on youtube.... that may be a better idea.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Sorry to hear about your father, that is unfortunate. I know I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for my own father.

Skip undergrad AE, get into gradschool, and they pay you to goto school. Going to MIT would be a great opportunity, that I would be envious of. I do know where your coming from with paying for everything. I'm not thrilled with the idea of entering repayment.

I will admit, I do have a bit of an ego, but shit happens when you party naked.

Yeah, this certainly started from you assuming that I directed that one post toward you. I'll admit it was about 25% directed at you, and I was wrong for that.

I am glad we could come to an understanding in the end at least. I will look into your advice re: grad school.

I will be the first to admit I am not exactly the most humble person ever, and you, like myself, have every right to be proud of what we have done. Text is not the best medium for inflection/tone so there is that too.

In the mean time it is probably fair to say I over-reacted as I am on running on the fumes of caffeine and adrenaline from the past few days. So this is where I shall bow out for the evening.

Hopefully we can carry on amicably in the future, and who knows maybe I'll have the opportunity to buy you a beer at some point and pick your brain.

Cheers,
Chris

 

[RWD4G63]

What data do you have to back all of this up? Have you ran a t/s hx35, and a 3052? I'm doubting that.

Blah blah blah...

Honestly I assumed that it was a .55 hotside. Through some searching I'm obviously wrong. At .63 it probably flows pretty well in the SS housing. I never said I was an expert, Nor did I say the hx35 ts "flowed better" i simply said it spooled fast and made big power.

I just think it's strange when people make small turbos do 35+psi to make power.

I edited my previous post so as to not spread misinformation.

 

[spooling 1g]

Glad to see you guys sorted out who's weiner was bigger.The 3052 ran outta steam @ 26psi on a 2ltr.The car made 444hp if that helps you at all o.p.

 

[awd4u]

hey guy's thanks for all the info, i was thinking about the Borg Warner turbo's like the s200, s256 etc... heard they make good power and very good quality turbo's as well, spool up quick and make good high hp numbers for the street, at a decent ammount of boost. what you all think?

 

[RWD4G63]

hey guy's thanks for all the info, i was thinking about the Borg Warner turbo's like the s200, s256 etc... heard they make good power and very good quality turbo's as well, spool up quick and make good high hp numbers for the street, at a decent ammount of boost. what you all think?

Well, I went with the s200sx in twin-scroll form for it's fast spool and big power potential. I did get the optional 1.00 housing, as the 1.22 housing makes it kind of a slug.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I had an S200sx 59mm in both bolt on and divided t3 form. On meth and pump 93 It pushed 64.x lbs/min at 37psi in the bigger divided housing.

The bolt-on version was the one I made the 16G on crack comment in regards to. Fast spool, but drive:boost ratio starts to creep up after 30psi in the bolt on housing. Still moved more than 50lbs/min like this. Full spool of 29psi by 4500rpm.

Doesn't fall off up top.

 

[awd4u]

I was thinking FP green. what Rpm doe's the FP green stop making power at? or what can i rev it out to? thanks guy's!

 

[Rob88]

there is a guy in town here with an all stock motor no head work no cams nothing just tuning BIG FMIC meth injection and pump gas making 460AWHP running 38PSI on a fp3052. makes full boost by 3800. its a great turbo and spools fast for what it is but why not get the fp3062 for a few dollars more for what your doing...

 

[1MeanTSI]

I have a 2.3 stroker and the 3052 fp set up. I have 272 cams, frontmount and a really awesome tune. I'm at 486 awhp on 36lbs on 91. E85 I was told I could hit 520+