Forced Performance Cams

[GPTourer]

No worries GP. I just thought my question was a little more complex than, "I wanna maek lots of horsepowers on my stock GST how much poewrs can i gets with FP4???!!!!1111~~"

 

[nanokpsi]

Its not even a matter of displacement its a matter of how each stroke lenght changes how the engine breaths and therefore designing a cam around that.

Simply put the FP3's are not designed with a 2.0 stroke in mind.. Why put them on one?

It will make more power on the FP2's because the valve events, open & closing points in degrees and ramp rates have been selected to match what is going on bellow the block deck in the 2.0/2.1

Actually, it said(fp description) they work really well on highout put 2.0s as well. The problem with them on a 2.0 is that you might need a 2k rpm idle to keep the car running. Plus I imagine taking this things to 9500+rpm would really be detremental to valvesprings. Keep in mind that these are just theories.

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

i second the high output part mine said the same thing

 

[MNGSX]

They probably would'nt make it to 9.5k rpm without valve float...

IMHO degreeing in the FP2's on a dyno specifically for your motor will be the best bet...

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

well we're gonna have to see not that i'm planning on 9.5 but i'm planning around 8.5-9 with them on a 2.0

 

[Black94TSI]

Actually, it said(fp description) they work really well on highout put 2.0s as well. The problem with them on a 2.0 is that you might need a 2k rpm idle to keep the car running. Plus I imagine taking this things to 9500+rpm would really be detremental to valvesprings. Keep in mind that these are just theories.

If I could get my old Integra to hold a 1200 idle with cams that were 241/238 @ .050 for duration, I'm sure you could stick the FP3's at 1000 easy. Keep in mind the crane "race" dsm cams are 224/212 @ .050.

I think the reason they call them stroker cams is because it's going to take more than an SAFC to get them to idle on a 2.0. With an AEM, FAST, BS3, etc, I don't think you'd have any problems with FP3's idling on a 2.0, and they would make some nice power.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Anyone know what all available springs you can use with the FP3's? I know FP makes sell some that are intended for them. FFWD makes the MAD springs which I would think would hold as well. And what about all those other double spring sets? Any reason why I shouldn't go with any particular double spring set with these? I've decided to get rid of my FP2's and get the FP3's. It'd be nice to know that I'm not gonna be stuck with just one brand of springs to choose from. And wondering what the minimum holding strength you should go with (and then try and go a bit higher if possible).

 

[poorboyj]

Why not buy the spring & retainer kit from FP then? You know it is a capable combination. Rather than finding out down the road that you're floating valves.

Jay White

 

[Spartan302]

Why not buy the spring & retainer kit from FP then? You know it is a capable combination. Rather than finding out down the road that you're floating valves.

Jay White

I went with the dual springs from fp to go along with the fp3's. They are a nice set. I've also heard of people running the supertech springs w/o issue so far.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Why not buy the spring & retainer kit from FP then? You know it is a capable combination. Rather than finding out down the road that you're floating valves.

Jay White

well if i was getting a head built from a place like ffwd or something like that, i just figured it'd be easy to get it all done at once. for example the stage 4 head that comes with the mad springs. just nice to know what all springs will work.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

incase no one has noticed, FP has updated their website.

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...de=FP&Product_Code=FPCamExh&Category_Code=DSM

looks like they have a new FP1, FP2 and about to have a new FP3 as well...bigger than the FP4

 

[GPTourer]

Is it possible/recommended to try mismatched combos HKS style?
FP1/FP2 or vice versa and if so what have been the results? Or do they only sell
them in pairs?

If there was any real advantage in doing so comp or FP would have done it in the first place. Dont reinvent the wheel when it comes to cams. The engineers at comp get paid good money to come up with what works best in real world situations so I woundnt test them. Just choose a grind for your aplication and be happy with it.

We actually saw no significant difference when testing the mixed sets. We only sell them as matched pairs for this reason.
Cory
FP

Finally, full technical details on all the FPCamshafts. It is truly a great day when you can take your pick of over a dozen cam grinds to fit WHATEVER unique application you are putting together. That's right; it is now possible to match any intake camshaft to any exhaust camshaft!

Why is it "now possible"? Or is there a more measurable gain because of the new "X" models? Is it not worth the trouble unless you choose a bigger gap? I notice Evos tend to favor bigger Intake cams (272/264 or 280/272). Could the same be said for 2G heads since they are similar?

 

[Robert Young]

Hey Guys,

We opened it up to mix and match because we were constantly getting requests for it, and with the new "x" grinds there is the opportunity to pick a set that is tailored to your combo.

It wasn't possible before because we did not break sets, since there wasn't much sense to it, but with over a dozen grinds to choose from we decided we would get out of the way and let the hardcore racers that KNOW EXACTLY what they want GET EXACTLY what they want!

You can now order the intake and exhaust cams separately or order just an intake or just and exhaust if you wish.

Boost on Brothers!

Robert Young

 

[XtReMeToYz]

I didn't see upgraded valve springs recommended for the FP3's anymore. Are they now not needed? Are they still needed? I'm only asking because when building my 2.4 I chose the FP2's due to the fact it was as large as I could go without upgrading the factory valve train.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Any idea as to when the FP3x will be released?

 

[Spartan302]

I didn't see upgraded valve springs recommended for the FP3's anymore. Are they now not needed? Are they still needed? I'm only asking because when building my 2.4 I chose the FP2's due to the fact it was as large as I could go without upgrading the factory valve train.

They were reccomended to me when I bought my fp'3 a month ago, I dont see why it would have changed.

 

[nanokpsi]

I wonder if Robert will chime in again. I am curious if the FP3s are the same as the FP3s that were originally released. There were rumors of a revision and that the FP4s would not be sold. I would also like to know if any of the grinds are more aggressive than the comp 101400s that I currently have. I would hate to sell the cams at a loss just to have the same grind.

 

[JiggahMan]

I wonder if Robert will chime in again. I am curious if the FP3s are the same as the FP3s that were originally released. There were rumors of a revision and that the FP4s would not be sold. I would also like to know if any of the grinds are more aggressive than the comp 101400s that I currently have. I would hate to sell the cams at a loss just to have the same grind.

Here's a little secret, going straight to the source might help

 

[nanokpsi]

Here's a little secret, going straight to the source might help

E-mail has already been sent.

 

[Chadillac2000]

So anybody installed the FP1/FP2 combo on a car yet? I mean since the 264/272 is so popular its only a matter of time...

 

[arash15]

So anybody installed the FP1/FP2 combo on a car yet? I mean since the 264/272 is so popular its only a matter of time...

from my knowledge about these cams, they weren't designed to be interchangable. But then again, it never hurts to give it a try. I just threw in some FP2's.

 

[Chadillac2000]

from my knowledge about these cams, they weren't designed to be interchangable. But then again, it never hurts to give it a try. I just threw in some FP2's.

Don't think thats entirely true, here are some email between me and FP

I Wrote: Real quick question, can the FP1 intake cam and FP2 exhaust cam be used in conjunction just like the hks 264/272 combo with no problems?
FP Wrote: Abso-frikkin-lutely, that is why we broke up the sets so that the tweakers out there could have it how they wanted it.
I Wrote: Sounds great, im really interested in getting your cams but from your standpoint, on a big16g car would the straight fp1 intake and exhaust cams work better than the fp1 intake and fp2 exhaust cam package because i saw a cam test on a website that i dont really recall at the moment that the 264/272 package yielded more gains that the straight 264/264 package, does that sound correct? Ive also heard that the FP cams have a better idle and a slightly better topend than the hks package
FP Wrote: The FPCam1 results in super idle quality, but then so do the HKS264's, if everything else is correct. Unfortunately we are not in a position to speculate on the subtle performance differences resulting from the large number of possible combinations of camshafts. We did run the FPCam1 int with the FPCam2 exh on a 400whp evo3 16g car and it was not notably different on the dyno than the full FPCam1 set. FP1x/FP2 may be a diff story, but again we are going to refrain from speculating and investigating all iterations of camshaft combinations that are now possible. Either way I am sure you will not be disappointed!

 

[ITSME4G63]

anyone have actually any expericence with these fp cams? From what im reading, once says that the fp2 wont idle properly below 2000 rpm, another says this, but this is all theory, anyone have expericence with fp1 and fp2 cams and how they worked out for you and what you used them for?

 

[XtReMeToYz]

anyone have actually any expericence with these fp cams? From what im reading, once says that the fp2 wont idle properly below 2000 rpm, another says this, but this is all theory, anyone have expericence with fp1 and fp2 cams and how they worked out for you and what you used them for?

They idle and run great in my built 2.4 with DSMLink and big ass injectors.

 

[TurboDSMer]

anyone have actually any expericence with these fp cams? From what im reading, once says that the fp2 wont idle properly below 2000 rpm, another says this, but this is all theory, anyone have expericence with fp1 and fp2 cams and how they worked out for you and what you used them for?

I didn't read anything about fp2 cams not idling properaly unless at 2k. i did read speculation about the fp3 but not the fp2's. the fp2's are jsut like 272's but they idle better and have a little more top end.