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First shakedown of the season

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Ludachris

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So there was a local NASA event this past weekend in La Junta Raceway in southeastern Colorado. I knew the car was not completely ready to compete but it was a good venue to test the new setup. Since the car last saw the track it has received some new hardware. A few things that have been added/changed so far:

1. New Forced Performance FP3150 dual ball bearing turbo setup with FP Race exhaust manifold and Tial 44mm external wastegate. This setup replaced the old PTE6152E internally gated turbo and DNP manifold in an effort to improve spool times and throttle response for road racing circuits.

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2. New RRE Camber Plates, stiffer spring rates for the Ground Control setup, and new 17x9 Team Dynamics wheels with 255x40x17 Toyo RA1 tires.

3. PWR radiator with a Carbontrix hood vent for better cooling.

4. Some weight savings.

5. A oil temp and water temp gauge for better monitoring.


Now this is still a work in progress at this point. It was a lot of work to throw the car back together and get it ready for the event. I could have just went to an open test and tune day at a nearly empty track but I figured it would be better to go to a NASA event where there would be plenty of people around in case I needed help - and it's a good thing I did. :)


The week before the event -

I was scrambling trying to get all the necessary fittings to install the turbo installed correctly. Since I'm going from a turbo that didn't require water cooling to one that does it caused a little bit of headache. I no longer have the factory coolant lines and I'm now running a non-turbo water pipe and have converted from a sandwich oil cooler to an external oil cooler, which means the water lines would have to be custom. I had to order a few fittings from ATPturbo.com at the last second to make it work, along with some AN fittings from a local shop here in town.

The Tial wastegate sits right where the dipstick tube resides, which means I had to do a little bending. I just pulled it toward the radiator some.

I also didn't realize I would have to modify my front motor mount to allow the turbo oil drain line to clear. Got the grinder out and started removing as little material as I could while still allowing it to clear.

When I dropped the car down off the jackstands with the new springs and wheels/tires I found that 8" springs in the rear were a little long. The car had a lot of room between the fender and the tire and was at its lowest possible perch setting. I didn't want to get it aligned before putting in some 7" springs in the back. Had to put in a last second order at Ground Control and get the springs put on in time for an alignment.


The Day Before We Leave:

I still have to tighten up the water lines for the turbo, swap the rear springs, change the oil filter, add oil and coolant, start the car and check for leaks. Brent and Grant stopped by and helped out and also dropped off an extra harness for the car since I threw away my seatbelts in anticipation of the new roll bar that didn't get done in time. I got Steven (biglady112 here on the site) to help me tune the car that night. We did some freeway pulls since I didn't have time for a dyno and had to do it without the wideband working, since I found that all of my gauge wiring was wrong :mad: Anyway, we finished up at about midnight and he took off to go get ready for his 5am flight the next morning. I started packing my stuff before I went to bed. I get to sleep around 2am. I still need to get the car aligned and fix some water leaks.

The Day We Leave:

Isabella woke up at 5am wanting to eat :cry: I gave her a bottle and tried to get another half hour of sleep before I had to get up and get the car ready to go to the alignment shop.
Once the car is at the alignment shop I run over to the parts store to get some more electrical connectors to get the gauges wired up right. I'm pressed for time at this point. Once I get the car home I have to load it up and hurry down to a friend's house who will be trailering the car to the event for me. I don't want to hold him up. I got down there just in time to load the car and head down to the track.

At the Track - Day Before Track Event:

I realized that with my 3.5 hours of sleep I some how only loaded 3 of the 4 race tires/wheels in the car :coy: What a dumb ass I am! Luckily I'm able to call a friend who hadn't left yet and had him stop by the house and pick it up for me. In the meantime I'm tearing out all my gauges and am starting the wiring from scratch. Then it's on to the coolant leak at one of the fittings I tapped on the t-stat housing. Then I still have to swap in some new brake pads. And before I go to sleep for the night I still realize I have a boost control issue. I run to the gas station, fill up and go back to the track and crash out in my friend's motor home.

First Day of the Track Event:

I wake up early and start working on the car. I try a few different vacuum line tests and a couple boost controllers and can't get the controllers to work. I move on to the coolant leak. Backed out the plug and put on some more thread sealant. Fixed. My friend shows up with my tire and I put them all on. Up until my first session I'm playing with boost controllers and finally just pulled the controllers out and went off wastegate pressure at 18 psi. Problem solved.

I head out on the track and get my first taste of the new setup. Car has great power and fast spool (thank you FP!!!). The tires are gripping damn good. I'm out there for 3 laps before the NASA officials wave a red flag and then a black flag - out session is over :( Great! I later found out that it was a drill.

So the next session comes up and I go out again. This track is an old converted landing strip. Not much to it. Seven turns total and only one left hander:
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I'm hitting about 115-120 on the main straight. After about 5 laps I'm getting used to the new setup and am starting to try out some lines. I get by an Integra before turn 1 and find that I'm going a bit fast going through 1 and 2. I try to trail brake a little and the ass end starts coming around. Instead of getting back on the gas like I should have I let off the brake and try to steer through it. I end up going all the way around and come to a stop facing the wrong way. At least I didn't go off the track into the dirt, and nobody hit me. What a noob! I go into the pits and have a NASA official check the car and then go back out for a lap before the session is over.

The third session comes up I have our regional director along for a ride. We get a yellow first lap and then as they give us the green I notice the car rev like crazy when the turbo spools - clutch is slipping. I ease off and go again, clutch slips badly again. So I baby it around the first lap trying to see if I can get the clutch to warm up. As I hit the straight I get on it again and I hear a pop and the car starts slowing... intercooler pipe popped off. I'm able to make my way off track and out of harms way. We then have to sit there for nearly 20 minutes until the session is over just to have the tow truck come out and tow us back in to the paddock. At least I knew what the problem was. But with the clutch slipping as bad as it was I knew the day was pretty much over.

The Second Day at the Track Event:

I took the car out for a short run just to see if I could run it at half throttle so that the clutch wouldn't slip much. It didn't work out all that well but I still had fun. The BOV was making all kinds of noise and I was able to concentrate on the suspension setup a little to see where I might want to make changes. I still was able to run a lap time that was only about 4 seconds slower than an Ariel Atom that was tearing up the track. Not bad for half throttle and very little track time. I had just put the transponder on the car before the clutch started slipping so I didn't get a good gauge of what kind of lap times I was putting down when the car was strong. Oh well. It wasn't all that important.

All in all it was a very trying event. A lot of hard work only to have a limited amount of track time. That's fine though. It showed me what issues need to be worked out for the next test and tune day. I'll be working to get the car ready for the next NASA event in July. We'll see if we can't make some improvements to put down some fast laps.
 

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Looks like this little gem is coming together nicely. Considering the numerous changes done to the car, I would have to say that shakedown weekend went pretty well. What kind of tires and spring rates did you change to?

And if you can, could you comment a little more on the 3150?
 
And I gotta run against this beast at MidAmerica Motorplex on June 30?
Hoo boy!

It's looking like a good turnout for DSMs at MAM. I count three of us so far, maybe more.

Maybe we can all win our TT classes, from stock to TTR, and finally make my point that DSMs rule!

See you in Council Bluffs. Bring all four tires this time.
 
You're doing a LOT better than me! :) I haven't made it to a track yet. We converted my car from VPC back to 2g MAF (due to the failure way back, right after the Son of Sno*Drift rally in January). FINALLY got the car back from the shop (ended up in 3 different shops during those months for various parts that had blown up in addition to the changes) with all the changes made about 2 weeks ago.

Took it for some rough city drives, all was well, so we went for a long country drive as the shakedown... Mile 40 I got a MIL (later determined to be "Random Multi-cylinder misfire" AGAIN, but at the time figured it was just a fuel mixture warning as I have a new AFC as well), Mile 90 I lost my O2 sensor input at anything less than 2k rpms, and by 100 miles the car wouldn't idle and would barely run... Got my work cut out for me! Hopefully I can get back to working on the car in a week or 2, just too busy right now... :-(
 
I can relate. It seemed like one issue after another was popping up. Talk about frustrating. But as a friend of mine always says - "it's all part of racing". If I can't deal with it I better find another hobby to be passionate about. :)
 
Looks like this little gem is coming together nicely. Considering the numerous changes done to the car, I would have to say that shakedown weekend went pretty well. What kind of tires and spring rates did you change to?

And if you can, could you comment a little more on the 3150?
I'm using 500# springs in the front and 400# in the rear. I might go stiffer yet. I was thinking 550 or 600 in the front and 450 or 500 in the rear.
 
LOVE the wheels. :thumb: Glad I've got a set too, can't wait to get them on! :cool:
 
i like the way the wheels look. how much room do you have with them. i should have my 17x9 +28 next week.
 
I'll be working to get the car ready for the next NASA event in July. We'll see if we can't make some improvements to put down some fast laps.

What NASA class are you in with your 434 hp?
Are you going to the NASA event at MidAmerica on June 30-July 1?

Rich
 
What NASA class are you in with your 434 hp?
Are you going to the NASA event at MidAmerica on June 30-July 1?

Rich
Hey Rich,

I actually haven't dynoed with the new setup so I don't know for sure but I suspect I'll end up in TTU. I'm thinking I'll be able to borrow a truck/trailer for MAM but it's not a sure thing at the moment. I'm working on it.
 
Chris,

What handling problems do you have with your current spring rates that will be fixed with higher ones?
Not a problem really, just want it to be more flat in the turns. Honestly, I didn't feel that the ride was all that much more harsh with the higher spring rates and just figured I could go a little higher. I know an Evo guy here running 900/800 so I figured I could go a little higher and make it handle more.
 
Not a problem really, just want it to be more flat in the turns. Honestly, I didn't feel that the ride was all that much more harsh with the higher spring rates and just figured I could go a little higher. I know an Evo guy here running 900/800 so I figured I could go a little higher and make it handle more.

Just keep in mind that as you go up in spring rate the dampers work harder to control those motions. Also, our camber curves go positive as you compress the suspension which is why 1G guys start with negative static camber. When you go up in spring rate and reduce body roll you have to take that into account and reduce static camber. I almost went down the same "high spring rate" route but Mike at DSS talked me out of it. Sometimes having a car lean in a turn can be a good thing.
 
Interesting. Maybe I'll hold off then. I need to do something about the front springs though, as they're rubbing on the GC sleeves really bad. I'm wondering if they're 2.25" ID instead of 2.5". I guess I should have double checked for sure before I put them on.
 
Hey Rich,

I actually haven't dynoed with the new setup so I don't know for sure but I suspect I'll end up in TTU. I'm thinking I'll be able to borrow a truck/trailer for MAM but it's not a sure thing at the moment. I'm working on it.

No dyno sheet, they put you in TTR with me.
Geez, I get to run against the FOUNDER!
 
No dyno sheet, they put you in TTR with me.
Geez, I get to run against the FOUNDER!

Oh boy, that will be awesome to watch!! Two great drivers in their mean dsm's duking it out in the top level class, TTR. :thumb: :rocks:

Sound the horn and spread the word, this will be an event to see!!
 
I'm using 500# springs in the front and 400# in the rear. I might go stiffer yet. I was thinking 550 or 600 in the front and 450 or 500 in the rear.

I'm on 500/415 right now with 8" rear springs mine sits real low if need be. Once mine gets off the streets and more track oriented I'll probably do a 600/500 setup.
 
Oh boy, that will be awesome to watch!! Two great drivers in their mean dsm's duking it out in the top level class, TTR. :thumb: :rocks:

Sound the horn and spread the word, this will be an event to see!!

Naw, all that means is that I am in TROUBLE. With luck, I'll finish 2nd.

It would be nice, though, if a bunch of DSMs show up to see the action and get interested in road racing. No admission fee!

Rich
 
Just keep in mind that as you go up in spring rate the dampers work harder to control those motions. Also, our camber curves go positive as you compress the suspension which is why 1G guys start with negative static camber. When you go up in spring rate and reduce body roll you have to take that into account and reduce static camber. I almost went down the same "high spring rate" route but Mike at DSS talked me out of it. Sometimes having a car lean in a turn can be a good thing.

I'm assuming you mean the curves go positive when you really compress or if you are overly lowered, right? I have DSS setup with Konis on mine and have set my ride heights per Mike's direction. So, the front was lowered very little (may 1/4"). If you look at the front of my car, my lower control arm still angles downward (slightly) as you move from the center of the car. So, I should still get a little camber gain as the spring compresses, until you go "over center" so to speak and start getting positive camber. Right?

As a general note, all you guys talking about huge spring rates, I'm really surprised when I hear some of these numbers. I've talked extensively with my buddy (also a mech engineer) who has done the suspension work for few SCCA E-prod cars. Completely custom stuff. He thinks I'm running too high of rates now with 400F/350R. He tells me I'm trying to control body roll with spring and that is not correct. He said the first order adjustment is bars to change roll stiffness. Bars and springs do the same thing at the wheel (for spring rate), but the bars ajust stiffness from side to side. As was noted on this post, you start getting spring rates up in the 800-900 range, you got to have a pretty special damper to manage all that potential energy and even then, it is not going to last long.

The easy answer is we need stiffer sway bars. I've got a RM Racing rear bar on my car. I would love to go stiffer, but we don't have many options on the front. I'm already kind of neutral and if I go stiffer on the rear, my car just gets looser. We need something stiffer on the front too.

I don't claim to know much about suspensions, so take all this with a grain of salt. I know on my 400/350 setup, I wish it was softer because the ride is harsh. I can't imagine going stiffer.
 
I don't claim to know much about suspensions, so take all this with a grain of salt. I know on my 400/350 setup, I wish it was softer because the ride is harsh. I can't imagine going stiffer.

1g vs. 2g seems to make a big difference too. I have 650/550 (right at the limit of my Koni yellow's) and I still think they're a little soft. Can't make a direct comparison between the 2.

I agree about swaybars being even more important.

Interesting thing is that my 2g on 650/550 is softer on the road than my MR2 on stock springs (200(175?)/275? Something like that...).
 
I took my settings from Greg's car and lowered them down to fit something that would be survivable on the street. I'm running stock front bar but a Suspension Techniques adjustable rear bar on full stiff. The Koni's seem more than capable of handling the 500lb front springs, in fact the car rides 10x smoother with these than it ever did with the softer spring Eibach Sportline / AGX combo.
 
If we can get the boost controller issues worked out and get the wideband working(already done) I am confident we can blow the competition out of the water. I already have the timing set to spool the turbo as fast as possible. As soon as I know where our air/fuel is I can finish with spoolup. It appears as if we have the MAF dialed in. So we are close there.

Glad to hear the car held together with a poor tune and little time to prep. Next month should be awesome.

Steven
 
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