evo 3 16g vs new fp 18g

[chavez408]

anything new

 

[gdmbat85]

Well I don't think I'm going to be driving my car much for a while, but I took it out last night and tried tuning it a bit. I can't seem to get my timing number up without knocking. 13* seems to be the highest it'll let me go. I was running somewhere around 10.5:1 AFR (I had to mess with the global fuel adjustment so that just happened to be where it put me at) Something has to be really messed up somewhere and I can't seem to figure out what it is. My ECU is having to add A LOT more fuel than it should be to run a proper A/F at idle. I think that I'm going to have to make a tune from the ground up because I was able to get pretty decent timing when I first put on my FMIC.

 

[dsm-onster]

Don't know if this matters in this thread, but since I've already posted logs of my small16g setup. . . here's a log at similar intake temps but peaking at 35.8 lbs/min on my small 16g with pump gas. Again, Wouldn't any 18g do much better?

 

[JOEY A]

http://www.slowboyracing.com/downloads/dyno graphs/Evo-III-16G/E316G Tubular vs. Cast.JPG

maybe I'm wrong but this dyno from SBR looks like 415hp and 459 trq. ? (Evo 3 16g)

I do not belive alot of SBRs stuff, they seem to have a very very happy dyno, and also to good to be true storys of things they sell

 

[JOEY A]

I can vouch for the GT2871. My friend had it on his stock longblock SR20 (2.0L) 240sx. He was running 20psi and it felt like there was less turbo lag than my stock T-25. Pardon the french expression, but it pulled like a raped horse all the way to redline. He dynoed 330WHP on a conservitive tune. I hope that helps as to what to expect from a GT2871.

Very badass little turbo!

Rember if you add cams to it, stay with 264s! Its been proven that bigger cams are not going to help with that turbo...Ive seen alot of dyno compares of it

The only reason people on here wont use it because of the price, and expensive exhaust manifolds etc

Thats really why you dont see it int he dsm world because there T3s


I would go with the larger one, with 264s thats amazing daily driver setup!

 

[RipperXX]

Black Bullet, I have been really wondering, as it is a question that has been really bugging me. I have a while before I have to rebuild the engine since I am not anywhere near my car. AGAIN, and last time I went home for R&R I finished off the HG.

So when I get out of the army I am going to rebuild the whole engine, how well will depend on funds, but it will get a complete rebuild, and slightly spiced up valvetrain.

 

[BaileyBoy]

Well im done debating..... I have been on and off the phone with guys from SBR, FP, Blouch, AND Bullseye. And after much debat I have decided on the FP 18g mated to the td06sl2 wheel. I was serioiusly considering the sbr g50 but after reading a buch on here im not looking to wait for spool. Still a good turbo, but I think I will be able to make my goals with this 18g just fine and still spool up not bad. But damn this thing looks tiny compared the the 50trims I was looking at!

 

[Black_Bullet]

Black Bullet, I have been really wondering, as it is a question that has been really bugging me. I have a while before I have to rebuild the engine since I am not anywhere near my car. AGAIN, and last time I went home for R&R I finished off the HG.

So when I get out of the army I am going to rebuild the whole engine, how well will depend on funds, but it will get a complete rebuild, and slightly spiced up valvetrain.

What exactly is your question your directing to me?
What you should do with your engine build?

 

[dsm-onster]

But damn this thing looks tiny compared the the 50trims I was looking at!

A large compressor housing can be as deceiving as a large jock strap.

 

[Black_Bullet]

A large compressor housing can be as deceiving as a large jock strap.

Or a little bit more humble comparison would be a large bag of chips thats only half full .

 

[BaileyBoy]

do you guys know if the fp 18g td06sl2 comes with a boost source nipple on it, or a spot to thread one??

 

[dsm-onster]

It comes with a td05h compressor cover. These covers traditionally do not have a boost reference. You'll need a 14b install kit, if you still running your t25. Or go to the classifieds and get a 14b/16g j-pipe. You can get the oil feed (from the head) line for rather cheap and then there are several solutions to the drain line. . .

 

[BaileyBoy]

I just ended up getting the install kit from extremepsi.com

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Extreme PSI 16G Install Kit : Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99

I'll proly just end up getting a 1/4 npt fitting and welding it in the lower portion of the jpipe. What size ID vac hosing are you guys using??

 

[T is for TURBO]

Well after reading all 213 posts. I still have a question. My current setup (not running due to bearing failure) is a 6 bolt long block, no bs, stock 2G fuel system, fmic, cat back, open intake, and an FPBig T-28. The motor crapped out on me before I got a chance to do any fuel mods. Now, I plan to pull the motor, get it machined, and replace the stock internals with some forged rods, pistons, you know, the works. I also plan on going with DSMlink and all the supporting mods. I don't want huge power; but I want the motor to beable to handle it when and if I ever decide to go for more power. My question is, how big of difference will the 18g be over my current FPBigT-28? I'm getting the idea that after getting it set up for a Mitsu turbo and buying an 18g, I could do with a bigger garrett turbo for the same price. But, I still would like some input. BTW im FWD...

 

[JayRolla]

Well after reading all 213 posts. I still have a question. My current setup (not running due to bearing failure) is a 6 bolt long block, no bs, stock 2G fuel system, fmic, cat back, open intake, and an FPBig T-28. The motor crapped out on me before I got a chance to do any fuel mods. Now, I plan to pull the motor, get it machined, and replace the stock internals with some forged rods, pistons, you know, the works. I also plan on going with DSMlink and all the supporting mods. I don't want huge power; but I want the motor to beable to handle it when and if I ever decide to go for more power. My question is, how big of difference will the 18g be over my current FPBigT-28? I'm getting the idea that after getting it set up for a Mitsu turbo and buying an 18g, I could do with a bigger garrett turbo for the same price. But, I still would like some input. BTW im FWD...

If I was you I would go with maybe the SBR G50. Its a 50 trim and it will have a little slower spool for your FWD. Plus I believe its more effiecient and cheaper.

 

[dsm-onster]

If I was you I would go with maybe the SBR G50. Its a 50 trim and it will have a little slower spool for your FWD. Plus I believe its more effiecient and cheaper.

Dito. You've put in forged internals. Why waste your time on a turbo that is fine for what you had before it broke? You could have gone alot cheaper and had a god 6-bolt that can handle nearly the most of what a 50-trim can throw out.

I suggest even bigger considering the money you've put in high power internals.

 

[JayRolla]

Dito. You've put in forged internals. Why waste your time on a turbo that is fine for what you had before it broke? You could have gone alot cheaper and had a god 6-bolt that can handle nearly the most of what a 50-trim can throw out.

I suggest even bigger considering the money you've put in high power internals.

Yea if you are going that far with the motor I would look into a 30r or 35r setup. But for the price the G50 cant be beat. There are mixed reviews on the turbo though.

 

[JayRolla]

Dito. You've put in forged internals. Why waste your time on a turbo that is fine for what you had before it broke? You could have gone alot cheaper and had a god 6-bolt that can handle nearly the most of what a 50-trim can throw out.

I suggest even bigger considering the money you've put in high power internals.

Yea if he is going that far with the motor I would look into a 30r or 35r setup. But for the price the G50 cant be beat. There are mixed reviews on the turbo though.

 

[BaileyBoy]

30r and 35r you are begining to look at some real cash money though. You should deffinitly go external wastegate on those beasts so there is extra cost, and being he said he hadnt done fuel mods yet, he will really need to up thing to get the most out of those turbos. The g50 sounds like a great turbo for what you already have going, just read the reviews before you buy.

 

[chavez408]

Well if you do go with the sbr g50 I suggest you go with their g60. It is the same price it is a little bit laggier but that is a good thing since your fwd. It will also put out a bit more of power.

 

[BaileyBoy]

i dunno, with the 60 he would proly be sitting even farther outside the efficiency zone for the turbo. with the sbr50 your looking at somewhere around 22-28 psi I think, and higher then for the 60. That is a substancial amount of fuel to be running just so your not lugging that turbo, and waiting forever for boost.

 

[JOEY A]

Excus my ignorance, but is this a "new" 18G or were just talking about same ole dsm stuff? I didnt look at the date this thread was started, and ive scene some very old threads come up

 

[BaileyBoy]

this is suppose to be comparing a typical e316g with a forced performance 18g td06sl2........

 

[JOEY A]

this is suppose to be comparing a typical e316g with a forced performance 18g td06sl2........

Thank you


Sorry ive been out of the scene for a little bit, what exactly makes this 18G different?


18g td06sl2

sl2?

 

[Black_Bullet]

Dito. You've put in forged internals. Why waste your time on a turbo that is fine for what you had before it broke? You could have gone alot cheaper and had a god 6-bolt that can handle nearly the most of what a 50-trim can throw out.

I suggest even bigger considering the money you've put in high power internals.

This is a good and rational point, but then again at those levels you end up spending a bunch more for various parts needed to support/ and properly run a bigger turbo like that, not to mention the added costs of needing to upgrade, or fix the drivetrain when it has to deal with all that power; and dont forget about supporting clutch set up costs.
Its different if he was building a purpose built car. No doubt I do think he could go bigger than that turbo, but not because of the current internals he has, it doesnt completley justify the bottom end investment.