evo 3 16g vs new fp 18g

[red91gst]

You make my point for me. I'm not attacking you, I'm merely saying that people will oftentimes believe whatever they like, and you can't get mad about it. You get frustrated like a high school kid. At no point in this thread, did I try to imply any tuning knowledge of my own, or even doubt yours, for that matter. Perhaps you should read everything over again, and then you'll realize that I'm not trying to attack you in any way, so you can back off. Oh, and I didn't say I thought the dyno was lying, either, I just asked you if there was a variable there that might throw off readings. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you've probably had a bad day, and that may be the cause of your attitude. But this thread, and many others on this site tend to go from a civil conversation to a child's pissing match. Nobody benefits from that.

My comments were directed to everyone in the thread, not towards you.

If you knew me better you'd know my attitude, I'm always in a good mood .

But its Friday night, and I live in a college town. I'm going to chase split tail and set sail with the captain

 

[spoolin eagle]

first let me say 16g's FTMFW. Everyone arguing are the people who put big turbos on their cars and run 12's. You guys should just get back on topic because you can't prove anything to f*cking morons who can't think for themselves.

 

[dsm-onster]

Thank you, Luke. We're usually on different ends of the table. But I recognize and trust your experience. There is a clear reason why you are a wiseman.

Nate I keep begging. And bowing. to your knowledge of tuning to get an airflow reading because. . . that's what everyone wants around here. I fully know that airflow is relative to the recording instrument. I have great respect for you even though you posted a mockery of a log . It made me laugh because I know you're a good tuner and wouldn't post a "fake" dyno graph. To run a "big" setup and strap on a small turbo and push it takes brass. I REALLY truely want a log of Curt's car. I want to know if the tdo5hr 16g6 compressor has the same flow as an evo3 16g6 compressor. No matter what the arguement, I'd buy you, or any one here, a beer of your choice (of which you've clearly made yours )if we were withine reasonable distance to each other. I don't want to be an a$$hole. I realize that I clearly come across this way. I assume the role of 'checks and balances' readily because I prefer going outside the box, too. You're a great asset. Keep up the work!

jusmx141, you are a valuable contributor to this knowledgebase as well. Personally, I am happy to interact with you. I will also say that you have a VAST knowledge of how to break a turbo apart and decipher what needs to be altered/repaired and put it back together for the user to enjoy to the limits of it's ability. Now, . . . I can tell you why your customer got that smile however. And better than most. But, I can't rebuild worth sh!t. And I'll always come to you, because you are ahead of me VASTLY on the curve. What I contribute is equal to you but not the same. My status is what it is. It's not like I havn't contributed. You've likely been just overlooked, if that is your concern. But not by me . Important, fundamental differences in our knownedge base makes you valuable too. I know a color in the name cannot express this.

Everyone. . . , A gm maf translator is not accurate. But we know enough to get within a lb or 2 per minute. The reading at times can be almost haphazard. But if that is the case, we can see it and say "Well, we'll never know with this log what an e3 16g flows." We can determine if it is precise, or consistant, with a log of airflow. I've muffed with these confounded pieces enough to know that. If it is precise, but not accurate, we can determine the degree of inaccuracy and deduct a proper number from any scewed result. It's simple. It's one measurement. That is why I asked for it. I CAN determine if Nate can return for you more hp per lb/min than your typical tuner. I truely believe he can! If not, then the evo3 16g is on a whole new level! And it is exciting to see. But fwdeclipse is so very right:

. . .to say that everyone can do that is just not reasonable. For the average dsmer its not in the budget and people dont have the "skill" you guys have to get those numbers.

Nathan, I don't know you enough to say you can't do any particular thing. Joe down the street cannot do what you can do. The evo8 compressor map shows nothing of the airflow that Curt Brown's evo3 16g has done. Congratulations! I'm aware and willing to accept readily that I'm the 'joe down the street'. So many have pushed the evo3 16g and made 400whp or so and no more, no matter what. I will happily recommend your shop to anyone who wants to make more with an e3 16g. But if they want to make 450whp or more themselves, then why would I recommend an evo3 16g? Only a handful have done it. Out of so many who've tried. The evo3 16g is not an untried turbo. And we all know how to aquire the specs of reverse scroll version of this same compressor and confirm the evo8 map as being an accurate representation of e3 compressor flow. So the knowledge of flow potential is there. The map may be wrong, but the consistancy of results cannot be.

I have personal reasons to exit this thread, too. So I leave it really proud to be a part of this community and the folks who contributed (jokes and all).

 

[dsm-onster]

first let me say 16g's FTMFW. Everyone arguing are the people who put big turbos on their cars and run 12's. You guys should just get back on topic because you can't prove anything to f*cking morons who can't think for themselves.

Why not say 11s, instead of 12s? The turbo in question could be percieved as a guaranteed 10 second turbo assuming "supporting mods" according to the conversation here. But it's still only a 41 lbs/min turbo. Is a street car likely to achieve 10 seconds with a 41 lb/min turbo? Beat that to death, PLEASE.

 

[JusMX141]

jusmx141, you are a valuable contributor to this knowledgebase as well. Personally, I am happy to interact with you. I will also say that you have a VAST knowledge of how to break a turbo apart and decipher what needs to be altered/repaired and put it back together for the user to enjoy to the limits of it's ability. Now, . . . I can tell you why your customer got that smile however. And better than most. But, I can't rebuild worth sh!t. And I'll always come to you, because you are ahead of me VASTLY on the curve. What I contribute is equal to you but not the same. My status is what it is. It's not like I haven't contributed. You've likely been just overlooked, if that is your concern. But not by me . Important, fundamental differences in our knowledge base makes you valuable too. I know a color in the name cannot express this.

Well I wasn't expecting such compliments! Very appreciated! I'm very happy to be a part of this forum as well....just being able to converse with such an intelligent bunch on a daily basis is mind-blowing.

What I meant by my previous post wasn't a scream for attention....I feel as though I have a long way to go before I could ever be considered a <i>master</i> at everything these cars throw at me. If I ever reach that status, it will be earned the hard way!

I was just curious after reading what you had stated about not having the vast tuning ability that Nate does as to what truly defined a <i>DSM Wiseman;</i> whether it be well-rounded knowledge, or just becoming and expert in one specific field- Nate's being tuning, of course. I didn't want it to come out wrong, and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

 

[pboglio]

It's all about the post count baby Just kidding.

There are a few members that I can think of that continually impress the hell out of me that weren't "Wisemen" and would make outstanding ones based on their quality of posts. Few if any of these guys even had a fast DSM. I respect the accomplishments of the fast quarter mile drag type guys, but the arrogant obnoxious attitudes and huge egos gets old after a while, if not miserably predictable.

 

[gdmbat85]

Holy cr*p, you guys don't quit do you? I don't care who you are or how much experience you have with DSM's; stop argueing about how much power the evo3 can make. Incase you people forgot, this thread is about COMPARING the two turbos. This is exactly why you see so many repeat threads of people asking the same questions. They search, find this sh*t, try asking for an actual answer to their question, and then you people get mad at the poor person and yell at them to use the search feature. I'm going to be the first to request that this thread be closed if this continues.