eBay vrsf intercooler (speed daddy) thoughts??

[xiteamxi]

Sounds like you're cheap. The couplers and tbolt clamps that come with the vrsf kit are awesome I never had an issue with either of them. Good couplers and clamps aren't cheap it might save you some money but you will have to buy from multiple places and wait for it all.

Cheap no, but people get cought up in paying more for the brand then the product. As for shipping couplers they would be here next day compared to next week for the kit if need be .

 

[phunny]

OP if all you wanted was for us to tell you how AWESOME that junk is, you should've said so in the title.

As for the quality, it's fairly easy if you don't mind doing some of your own research. VR is easy, simply look at their reviews, ebay isn't hard either, just email people that have purchased the kit from the seller and ask them how the kit is working out.

 

[xiteamxi]

It seems to me that if you can get the whole kit with pipes, couplers clamps, and intercooler for $300, you shold toss the intercooler, and get a real one like ETS or Precision.

A ton of people come on here and say how their Ebay frontmount makes sooo much more power than before, and the fact is, placebos have been proven to be effective. Ask any of them if they have measured air charge temps downstream from the intercooler, and they stare at you with a blank look.

You may as well stay with the sidemount, and put 30 HP worth of stickers on your car.

I understand that's why I log iat's ect and ask people when they have all this negative input what there temps were before and after and yes you are correct they 90% of the time have no answer or oh I don't have an iat sensor...

As for the ets I just can't see spending upwards of 1000$ on an intercooler

---Side note on ets race kit all from there sight--

Race kit. -939.75
Intercooler only- 499.00
= 440.45
2 45s. 37.24
403.21
2 straights 19.70
383.51
8 t bolts 38.00
345.51


Am I seeing this right they plow you 345$ for 3 pieces of piping? No one questions this ? These are all ets couplers ect from there sight.

 

[xiteamxi]

How many stickers would such a person need.

Depends on the placement , if there reflective or not and the quality of the a adhesive of backing. That's a whole differant thread

 

[xiteamxi]

OP if all you wanted was for us to tell you how AWESOME that junk is, you should've said so in the title.

As for the quality, it's fairly easy if you don't mind doing some of your own research. VR is easy, simply look at their reviews, ebay isn't hard either, just email people that have purchased the kit from the seller and ask them how the kit is working out.

I'm not saying the kits awesome BECAUSE I have not used it ..but it seems people who haven't used it are saying its not so explain that one. As I've said the only logical response was some one had first hand compared piping every one else is off topic or has no first hand experience .

 

[Colt4G63 also]

MSRP on a 600 HP Precision core is $395, and you can buy a pipe and coupler set from ebay cheap. I have been running a JDM Sport pipe kit for years, and it is reinforced silicone. I bought my 600HP Precision FMIC for about $100 used. UICP temps looked like I was running a hot pipe with the JDM sport FMIC.

 

[Doubleot]

Cheap no, but people get cought up in paying more for the brand then the product. As for shipping couplers they would be here next day compared to next week for the kit if need be .

Sounds like you posted on here to argue about how awesome that Ebay kit is. just buy that one and then post a thread about how your cheap purchase broke.

 

[DSMReviver]

eBay .. What are you crazy you would buy piping from ebay ....

Dude, ive been running on "ebay advance jdm aluminum 2.5 inch pipes" for years on my gsx. Get you a used precision/garrett core and piece it up together. It will be way cheaper and the dense core will work better.

The ebay aluminum pipe on my car for about 5 years now. The clamps they provide do suck a$$ so swap them out for a better one(rust).

 

[Doubleot]

You've gotten multiple opinions but you choose to ignore then because you think saving money on something that has not been proven or tried. Spend a little more and get one that had been proven to work and hold power or get a cheap one that could break. Its a gamble. To me its a simple decision not sure why you are second guessing a kit that has been proven with a cheap Ebay kit. you can see the quality differences in the cores. They were to cheap to drill holes on the mounting brackets, what else did they cheap out on.

 

[xiteamxi]

Dude, ive been running on "ebay advance jdm aluminum 2.5 inch pipes" for years on my gsx. Get you a used precision/garrett core and piece it up together. It will be way cheaper and the dense core will work better.

The ebay aluminum pipe on my car for about 5 years now. The clamps they provide do suck a$$ so swap them out for a better one(rust).

I know that was sarcasm how people get so Offensive when they hear the word ebay ..

Saves $71 on ebay intercooler...

Tunes car...

Shitty IC piping&core raise intake temps...

Knock count skyrockets after a few pulls on a hot day...

Engine fails...

Purchase more parts on ebay...

Repeat cycle...

Well I'm not sure how intercooler piping will raise your iat's (you know the stock ones are rubber? ) do you have any links to we're some one compared piping and had a change in iat's ...core on the other hand that's a different story...
And I hope you don't tune your own car if I see (or some one with me) sees iat knock any thing not right you don't do another pull I log every time I drive my car just no reason not too..

As for your cycle no if a part failed you wouldn't buy that part again but you never used that part(never mind had it fail on you) so I'm not sure what your basing this on..

You've gotten multiple opinions but you choose to ignore then because you think saving money on something that has not been proven or tried. Spend a little more and get one that had been proven to work and hold power or get a cheap one that could break. Its a gamble. To me its a simple decision not sure why you are second guessing a kit that has been proven with a cheap Ebay kit. you can see the quality differences in the cores. They were to cheap to drill holes on the mounting brackets, what else did they cheap out on.

I can not "see the difference " that's why I asked and you do understand vrsf just started offering it with the drilled holes?? That was not always like that . Drilling your own holes=they don't have to =savings passed on to the customer? Possible ?


As for multiple options I like the super short route I do like the ets kit just don't want to dish out that kind of money and don't under stand the concept of 345$ for 3 pipes 1 of which is just a plain Jane 90 bent..

 

[n0de]

I know that was sarcasm how people get so Offensive when they hear the word ebay ..

I think it has to do with the amount of issues that people have through a direct cause of an ebay item, and the fact that we have vendors that still support our platform on a shoestring budget that provide quality, researched, and tested products that have been proven time and time again. These vendors are way more deserving of our money. Rather than giving some random no-name ebay company your money, why not give it to a company that actually develops new/quality products for our cars?

Here is an example of what you are doing:

VRSF: Tried and true. Plenty of reviews on dsm tuners, a forum full of knowledgeable and helpful members.
Price: $309 - Honestly, this price in itself is already cheap as hell. I almost dont want to buy one because it was too inexpensive so i figured there had to be something wrong with it.

Ebay FMIC: $238 ($71 savings over vrsf)
Find one person with a DSM that have a good review for this kit. DSM owners have by far, been some of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to cars in general, tuning, and design. If you've seen good reviews about this kit on other forums then one thing you may want to do is ask what the intake temp differences were, or get some sort of meaningful comparison to their former inter-cooling solution, while you're at it, look at their post history to see how knowledgeable they are. Would you trust reviews for from a Toyota scion forum?

Update:

Damn, I guess i have to eat my words on the review.
Still has no meaningful information and is only 1/1 review

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

You won't find a better comparison between the SSAC and VRSF then this: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-parts-feedback-reviews/338100-vr-speed-2g-fmic-intercooler-kit-w-some-install-comparison-ebay-ssac.html.

Also VRSF got started using SSAC cores but now they use their own cores, they are not the same.

We also get this question quite a bit and rather than typing everything up I'll just copy my last reply:

"The kits are actually very different. Not only are the included couplers and tbolts different, but the quality of the kit as well. We've also completely redesigned every pipe in the kit in terms of length to make the kit an actual bolt affair rather than having to cut or modify each pipe as well as the core for everything to line up.

The piping in the ebay/ssauto kit is too long in some places and too short in others, the intercooler inlet is too long and the mounting brackets are too low which will cause a gap between the front bumper and the core and will cause the piping to hit your oil filter housing. The generic ssauto/ebay kits require about 5 – 6 hours worth of customization which will cost you a lot more time & money as well as additional parts. The VRSF core used in this and our intercoolers were custom made to our specifications which allows air to pass through the intercooler while still providing great cooling to prevent overheating. Our upper intercooler pipe is also redesigned to easily allow you to switch bov flanges with our exclusive modular bov mount design.

Attached is a dyno comparison of our kit with our custom core in comparison to another very popular 2g FMIC kit. The only changes made were the FMIC, no tune.

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[xiteamxi]

I think it has to do with the amount of issues that people have through a direct cause of an ebay item, and the fact that we have vendors that still support our platform on a shoestring budget that provide quality, researched, and tested products that have been proven time and time again. These vendors are way more deserving of our money. Rather than giving some random no-name ebay company your money, why not give it to a company that actually develops new/quality products for our cars?

Here is an example of what you are doing:

VRSF: Tried and true. Plenty of reviews on dsm tuners, a forum full of knowledgeable and helpful members.
Price: $309 - Honestly, this price in itself is already cheap as hell. I almost dont want to buy one because it was too inexpensive so i figured there had to be something wrong with it.

Ebay FMIC: $238 ($71 savings over vrsf)
Find one person with a DSM that have a good review for this kit. DSM owners have by far, been some of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to cars in general, tuning, and design. If you've seen good reviews about this kit on other forums then one thing you may want to do is ask what the intake temp differences were, or get some sort of meaningful comparison to their former inter-cooling solution, while you're at it, look at their post history to see how knowledgeable they are. Would you trust reviews for from a Toyota scion forum?

I've one seen one review that was dsm based I posed the link earlier in the thread it was positive just not iat loges or any thing and I messaged this member but no response yet . But I've not seen any negative reviews but still like to hear some options before I make a decision.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

I've one seen one review that was dsm based I posed the link earlier in the thread it was positive just not iat loges or any thing and I messaged this member but no response yet . But I've not seen any negative reviews but still like to hear some options before I make a decision.

I posted a beautiful review/side by side comparison above, check it out.

 

[xiteamxi]

You won't find a better comparison between the SSAC and VRSF then this: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-parts-feedback-reviews/338100-vr-speed-2g-fmic-intercooler-kit-w-some-install-comparison-ebay-ssac.html.

Also VRSF got started using SSAC cores but now they use their own cores, they are not the same.

Thanks you sir,! I will read into this

 

[Leonthefaded]

I do not use a front mount intercooler at this point in time. I would not cheap out on a cruicial component like a front mount intercooler system especially after considering the amount of money invested into supporting mods, and the value I place on my engine.

Personally I would choose the ETS Street Kit for my daily driver. Considering you may or may not listen to anyone about this given the wealth of information spooned to you. Goodluck.

 

[JusMX141]

I'm willing to agree it may be shittier clamps,couplers,piping but as for reboxing eBay garbage why is every one so ignorant to the fact they started on eBay wouldn't that also Make them "eBay garbage"? Not trying to start an argument but isant that how they started then probably realized they will save on fees/competition on eBay and sell to us via here.

What I'm saying is perhaps they're using the eBay core, but the piping and couplers is definitely their own....hence the $70 price upgrade over eBay. They threw away the shittiest part of the kit and made an improvement, and that's what you're paying for.

That is no different that if I were to take a new Chinese 16G and install Garrett journal bearings, port the wastegate hole, and have the core VSR-balanced then re-sell the turbo for $100 more to cover the parts and my time. The customer is still getting a product that is better than the mass-produced junk found on eBay and I'm earning a little to make it worth my time. Obviously I'm not going through all of that work to sell it for the same price I paid and lose money- that's lesson #1 of any business class you take....although there would still be the group of people who argue that all I'm doing is re-boxing the same junk turbo you can buy on eBay.

Of course this is all just speculation IF they were using the same core- we already have a thread posted here showing HP gains comparing the VRSF to the eBay kit, and we all know more durable piping and couplers won't gain you horsepower.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

I have not personally tested IAT temps with a VRSF yet, but I compared intake temps between a JDM sport FMIC and my Precision, and saw a huge improvement. The obvious difference in the two intercoolers was the fin density, and the weight. I'll walk into the shop right now and get pictures of the VRSF, and the Precision intercoolers.

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Sorry about the phone pictures, but if you look at one of the cores, you can see that the fins have louvers on them as well as more fins per inch.

 

[dexterholland04]

Disclaimer: These views and opinions are my own.

God...I wish I wasn't posting his from my phone in Afghanistan. For a $300 FMIC kit, the VRSF kit is pure gold. I've run many, many FMIC kits on my DSMs through the years (to include Punnishment Racing, ETS, and VRSF). Ask my roommate Drew, BrokenTSI here on the forums to post a log of a 10.43 pass I made on a 100+ degree day at the track last July. My AITs were pretty close to ambient running 40psi through my VRSF kit. Most of you (save for some of the veterans) will never run this quick, nor ever make any kind of HP to warrant buying some crazy FMIC kit. It was good enough OUT OF THE BOX to get me well into the 10's.

As for deciding whether to buy the real deal VRSF, or some similar eBay kit...do what you want to pinch pennies. With the VRSF kit, at least you'll know that they will do whatever it takes to make you happy if there is ever anything wrong with it. Also, I use the same couplers and clamps that cell in the kit...I've never blown one off. However, I remember my old ETS kit leaving me stranded several times because of couplers popping off.

To put it nicely: I'm tired of idiots and retards arguing over this crap. The results are out there. Don't believe me? I'll prove again this year what this kit can do...all for less than half of what any big name company sells theirs for.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

At least do this, buy the ets core for 500
For the one i jave or 349
For the 7" one and make your own pipes and order your own couplers. If you wanna cheap out on pipes an couplers do so at your own risk. But at least you will NEVER and i repeat NEVER have to buy another intercooler again. With ets you are not paying for the name, i could care less who's name is on it. The fact is it's the best intercooler out there hands down. The fact that they were local to me helpes my decision also.

I also DID give my iats for te vrsf and they were usually 20-30 above ambient temps. Like dexter up there said, i bet he was running 120* iats that day.

 

[honda_burner]

I myself have put on a vrsf 1ga kit. I must say I was very impressed with pipe fitment and how everything went together. Very clean and very well executed. I have no IAT tests to prove how efficient it is, but the install went very well.

On a side note, I ran a jdm sport fmic on my own car and the quality was nowhere near the vrsf kit. It was half the width and the pipes didnt line up for anything. I had to buy elbow's to make the bends that the pipes would not make, but were supposed too. It was a nightmare. That said, I will be buying a vrsf 2g short route for my current project.

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

I can't believe there are actually comparisons between ETS and VRSF cores in this thread. While VRSF makes a good budget kit, there is no comparison between the two. ETS is FAR superior!

 

[kidtsi]

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Seriously get the eBay its the same same quality same everything they just rebox it, eBay is your friend... 100% serious.


Carry on.

 

[xiteamxi]

At least do this, buy the ets core for 500
For the one i jave or 349
For the 7" one and make your own pipes and order your own couplers. If you wanna cheap out on pipes an couplers do so at your own risk. But at least you will NEVER and i repeat NEVER have to buy another intercooler again. With ets you are not paying for the name, i could care less who's name is on it. The fact is it's the best intercooler out there hands down. The fact that they were local to me helpes my decision also.

I also DID give my iats for te vrsf and they were usually 20-30 above ambient temps. Like dexter up there said, i bet he was running 120* iats that day.

I'f a coupler pops its not the end of the world but besides that since your the ets fan club (not saying there not a better core) did you see the prices I posted look into that since your local since from what I'm seeing you paying 345$ for the 3 pipes in the kit.. Or are they that quality they there worth more then an entire vrsf kit ?..seems a little like there not even spitting on it that just rough..


As for iat's I never doubted it being a better core I was just asking what you had backing your statement.

Disclaimer: These views and opinions are my own.

God...I wish I wasn't posting his from my phone in Afghanistan. For a $300 FMIC kit, the VRSF kit is pure gold. I've run many, many FMIC kits on my DSMs through the years (to include Punnishment Racing, ETS, and VRSF). Ask my roommate Drew, BrokenTSI here on the forums to post a log of a 10.43 pass I made on a 100+ degree day at the track last July. My AITs were pretty close to ambient running 40psi through my VRSF kit. Most of you (save for some of the veterans) will never run this quick, nor ever make any kind of HP to warrant buying some crazy FMIC kit. It was good enough OUT OF THE BOX to get me well into the 10's.

As for deciding whether to buy the real deal VRSF, or some similar eBay kit...do what you want to pinch pennies. With the VRSF kit, at least you'll know that they will do whatever it takes to make you happy if there is ever anything wrong with it. Also, I use the same couplers and clamps that cell in the kit...I've never blown one off. However, I remember my old ETS kit leaving me stranded several times because of couplers popping off.

To put it nicely: I'm tired of idiots and retards arguing over this crap. The results are out there. Don't believe me? I'll prove again this year what this kit can do...all for less than half of what any big name company sells theirs for.

Yep I now get half these other clowns to under stand that ---not saying ets is not a better core but for over double the price it's just not needed and if your doing a drag car I'd suggest air to water any way---

I have not personally tested IAT temps with a VRSF yet, but I compared intake temps between a JDM sport FMIC and my Precision, and saw a huge improvement. The obvious difference in the two intercoolers was the fin density, and the weight. I'll walk into the shop right now and get pictures of the VRSF, and the Precision intercoolers.

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Sorry about the phone pictures, but if you look at one of the cores, you can see that the fins have louvers on them as well as more fins per inch.

THanks for the pictures if you can get a shot of the internal fins which on the vrsf will be quite difficult.

I do not use a front mount intercooler at this point in time. I would not cheap out on a cruicial component like a front mount intercooler system especially after considering the amount of money invested into supporting mods, and the value I place on my engine.

Personally I would choose the ETS Street Kit for my daily driver. Considering you may or may not listen to anyone about this given the wealth of information spooned to you. Goodluck.

I just hope your not that conserned about the amount of money you have invested (if your profile mods is up to date) you listed an oil cap under bolt on's.. And after hating on eBay you have Godspeed in your wish list... Besides the fact of not running a fmic or having logs or any thing usefully related to the ordinal question..

You won't find a better comparison between the SSAC and VRSF then this: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-parts-feedback-reviews/338100-vr-speed-2g-fmic-intercooler-kit-w-some-install-comparison-ebay-ssac.html.

Also VRSF got started using SSAC cores but now they use their own cores, they are not the same.

Probably the most useful post

Now this sums up most of the differences
-top mount removed
-pre drilled
-not missing one coupler
-slightly different pipes

I did not see the post about the dyno tho and in your post it said" vrsf vs another very popular 2g intercooler " were they picked up 28hp is that compared to the ssac core? Kinda of deceiving how that's phrased .


Side note any one have any pictures of the inside of a stock side mount ? For comparison .

 

[DSMReviver]

Precision on the top picture definitely have more fins. if i am going to spent that much money i probably want to spend it only once