eBay vrsf intercooler (speed daddy) thoughts??

[Leonthefaded]

Yeah. I had a buddy with a slow boy racing fmic and blew his end tank at 28psi with an scm6162. Had to reweld.

An intercooler is a pressure vessel of course good welds matter.. Ets also makes intercoolers that are smaller and cheaper that will still outflow the vrsf and im sure eapecially a chinabay core If you want details about that contact ets cause i dont have experience with any other ets dmic than the biggie. It always comes down to you get what you pay for, yes some have made 600 hp on a vrsf but that could be the luck of the draw, and most likely heat soaked to shit. The turbo side of my intercooler end tank was always warm with the vrsf. Ets its cold as ice.

I would be pissed if I spent hundreds of dollars on ebay to get an intercooler kit, only to blow an endtank off going down the street or strip, at or not even at full boost. Having to decide to reweld it or buy another core.

 

[xiteamxi]

A weak weld could mean the difference between the end-tanks blowing off at 14 psi or holding through 22 psi and beyond. But that is merely my opinion Can somone back this up with fact?



Go with the real VRSF, dont waste your hard earned money on the work you've put into your car.

Yes a weak weld can break , I see your very persistent for the real "vrsf" I've not had either, but besides the couplers what do you believe is so different ? I'm willing to bet they all get taken out of the same cargo container.. Actually I looked back on eBay and found an ssac(believe vrsf confirmed this was one of there other accounts on eBay ) and the part number on eBay looked to be the same(but the sellers can enter what ever they want). Wish vrsf would chime in and say something.

 

[StarFawkes]

It seems like the OP is just trying to argue the point to make himself feel better when he cheaps out and buys the eBay intercooler. You asked our thoughts, everyone here is telling you to avoid the eBay intercooler. My car came with an eBay intercooler. One of the first upgrades I wanted was the VRSF intercooler, then ETS posted a great deal on their kits so I jumped on that instead.

 

[xiteamxi]

It seems like the OP is just trying to argue the point to make himself feel better when he cheaps out and buys the eBay intercooler. You asked our thoughts, everyone here is telling you to avoid the eBay intercooler. My car came with an eBay intercooler. One of the first upgrades I wanted was the VRSF intercooler, then ETS posted a great deal on their kits so I jumped on that instead.

Please explain to me were you think the vrsf intercooler kit started? Better yet.. Go to the supporting vendor page find vrsf look through his posts and find the ones were he put eBay links to the kits .

 

[StarFawkes]

It seems like the OP is just trying to argue the point to make himself feel better when he cheaps out and buys the eBay intercooler.

Please explain to me were you think the vrsf intercooler kit started? Better yet.. Go to the supporting vendor page find vrsf look through his posts and find the ones were he put eBay links to the kits .

If you are so set on buying an eBay intercooler then do it. This thread is just a waste if you are too stubborn to listen to all the other members of the community.

 

[JusMX141]

VRSF is higher quality than what you find on eBay without a doubt. I've seen both- the shitty eBay piping seems like it would collapse if you tightened a clamp too tight and the BOV flange isn't even close to being flat.

 

[Leonthefaded]

VRSF is higher quality than what you find on eBay without a doubt. I've seen both- the shitty eBay piping seems like it would collapse if you tightened a clamp too tight and the BOV flange isn't even close to being flat.

He is very correct on this. I have a knock off greddy style rz bov with pipe connection, eyeballing it I can see boost leak after boost leak possibilities. The real difference is the reality you are choosing to ignore at this point OP

 

[xiteamxi]

If you are so set on buying an eBay intercooler then do it. This thread is just a waste if you are too stubborn to listen to all the other members of the community.

I'm looking for educated input(maybe first hand experience ) not people saying there no mounting holes or the couplers are lower quality that was stated in the first post (even tho thats how vrsf started out) something that makes a logical 72$ difference.

 

[Leonthefaded]

I'm looking for educated input(maybe first hand experience ) not people saying there no mounting holes or the couplers are lower quality that was stated in the first post (even tho thats how vrsf started out) something that makes a logical 72$ difference.

Refer to my first post.

 

[DSMReviver]

Vrsf kit may come from the same ebay source. i know the vrsf guy order his cores. compare the cores side by side, idk if there is going to be any different.

i asked vrsf guy to send me a picture of their core and he never did.

Id go with dense cores like ets or garrett/precision over vrsf or ebay

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Look at the various vrsf threads, their cores are designed for them, they are not the same as the ebay cores.

I have not personally had experience with the ebay kit but i habe with the vrsf and their pipes are strong, however the throttle body flange inreciwved
Was bansaw cut and not cnc flanged or flat for that matter.

I dont care what you get its your car and your money, but like people have said in a month or two when your complaining about knock cause your intake temps are through the roof and or something happens to your crap bay kit. Everyone in this thread will most likely shake their head and say we warned you. Good luck on your decision


All my info comes from owning one vrsf kit, one extra core i had to buy, and now i have an ets ultra race 4".
If you want to ask me any questions about any of the setups feel free. If your gonna be a stubborn douche, then don't ask for help.

 

[xiteamxi]

VRSF is higher quality than what you find on eBay without a doubt. I've seen both- the shitty eBay piping seems like it would collapse if you tightened a clamp too tight and the BOV flange isn't even close to being flat.

Now this is more of what I'm looking for what's your thought on the cores ?

Look at the various vrsf threads, their cores are designed for them, they are not the same as the rbay cores.

Got a link?

Vrsf kit may come from the same ebay source. i know the vrsf guy order his cores. compare the cores side by side, idk if there is going to be any different.

i asked vrsf guy to send me a picture of their core and he never did.

Id go with dense cores like ets or garrett/precision over vrsf or ebay

Yea they don't tend to respond ,figured if there was a different fin pitch or something it would have been posted . Or they would have stepped in and said so since it would befit them .

 

[DSMReviver]

Look at the various vrsf threads, their cores are designed for them, they are not the same as the rbay cores.

I have looked through a lot of threads and i have never seen a picture of how the fins in their cores look like. they arnt going to be dense cores/fins intercoolers

cores can look shiny on the outside along with the welds but its all about the fins inside.

Go look at ets/garrett/precision core/fins and compare it to ebay

 

[TurboLaserRS]

I'm all for cheap crap, trust me. But what makes you think it's the exact same core? Granted I can't really tell you where the VRSF kit comes from, or what it uses. But the biggest problem with Ebay intercoolers is that they are very inefficient. They overcome the inefficiency by being freakin' massive, and thick. The sheer size of them is the only advantage they have over the sidemount, besides placement. On average they have less fins per square inch when compared to more expensive (read: brand name) intercoolers. Less fins is less cost, and less performance.
I truly do believe if you intend to push beyond 300HP and do it efficiently that it would be wise to invest a little extra $ in an IC with a name behind it.

 

[DSM_love_GST]

This thread reminds me of a certain someone that asked us if he should get his car "sponsored" by a certain company. We all told the guy to stay away. Did he listen, nope. What did he get in return you ask, a bunch of cheap crap that is going to leave him on the side of the road scratching his head. Wondering why his car doesn't run. I personally have owned two VRSF kits. They are an awesome deal for $300 price range. I have also dealt with their customer service and I was not let down. Sure it's not some fancy FMIC, but they do offer a whole kit designed around your personal modifications for a price that is well worth it. If you want to get the Ebay kit, then do it. When all is said and done, and you have put yet another Ebay item to the test. Please come back to this thread with your review.

 

[xiteamxi]

I'm all for cheap crap, trust me. But what makes you think it's the exact same core? Granted I can't really tell you where the VRSF kit comes from, or what it uses. But the biggest problem with Ebay intercoolers is that they are very inefficient. They overcome the inefficiency by being freakin' massive, and thick. The sheer size of them is the only advantage they have over the sidemount, besides placement. On average they have less fins per square inch when compared to more expensive (read: brand name) intercoolers. Less fins is less cost, and less performance.
I truly do believe if you intend to push beyond 300HP and do it efficiently that it would be wise to invest a little extra $ in an IC with a name behind it.

Well what makes me think its the same is looks.. And the fact vrsf started as ebay based before becoming a vendor ... And I know this isant a good enough reason to label them as "the same" that's why I wanted some other imput .

I'm not trying to be a douch ,just looking for some educated opinions... To make this very simple (THIS IS JUST TO GET THE POINT ACROSS)say you look on Craigslist/a fourm or whatever and see a "vrsf 2g fmic kit" for what ever price.... How do you know it's "vrsf" not ebay..? Basically the same question I'm not buying one from there just asking what's the difference between the cores .As I've said I have not used/had Either one and I'm not defending the ebay kit but the comments with out something backing it up are just as useless .

The one guy said his iat's were lower with the ets vs the vrsf ,that's something to back it up but I'm looking at the vrsf with the short route piping ATM not ets.

 

[ZenkaiRacerDsM]

You'll be fine with the cheaper one. They all look to come from the same place to me. Just that VRSF does their own pipes and drills holes. They didn't always used to do that though, they used to be same kit.

Just like the punishment and cx racing, same place. SS autochrome has there "version" of that core as well.

Either way any ebay FMIC is going to be a significant upgrade to the stock side mount. And unless your going to be maxing a turbo out pushing hot air or going for record pump gas numbers the Ebay stuff is just fine.

Is it going to perform like an ETS? Of course not. We're not expecting it to.

 

[xiteamxi]

You'll be fine with the cheaper one. They all look to come from the same place to me. Just that VRSF does their own pipes and drills holes. They didn't always used to do that though, they used to be same kit.

Just like the punishment and cx racing, same place. SS autochrome has there "version" of that core as well.

Either way any ebay FMIC is going to be a significant upgrade to the stock side mount. And unless your going to be maxing a turbo out pushing hot air or going for record pump gas numbers the Ebay stuff is just fine.

Is it going to perform like an ETS? Of course not. We're not expecting it to.

Thanks for the input , many people don't understand the vrsf/ss autochrome thing .im not concerned with the money if there is actually a difference but if it is the samething why waste the money . If I do end up getting the ebay one I have a scope camara and would like to compare the cores.

 

[JusMX141]

VR Speed Factory doesn't re-box eBay garbage if that's what you're thinking.

It's not like there's a $400 difference in price- I can't believe there's a two-page discussion comparing a knockoff to the real thing which is $70 more-expensive. Buy a product from a trusted vendor which is designed and proven to fit and perform instead of it's shitty copy on eBay. This is not an area you want to cheap out and buy a core that will leak, couplers and clamps that will fail, and piping that can crack or split.

Even if they would use the same core, the stronger piping and couplers in the VRSF kit is MORE than worth the $70 upgrade. The eBay piping is seriously shittier than shit for quality- feels like PVC tubing wrapped in tin foil.

 

[Leonthefaded]

You really are not going to gain much by not going with a trusted vendor on this. Think about everything we've told you, from the weld quality, to the core thickness, to customer support. The people behind the product, the liability, safety and above all... dude its ebay.

 

[kidtsi]

"1 out of 10 people die of stubbornness" .

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Just to be nice:
The external fins are the same as the internal fins, each bar on the outside has the fins on the inside of it.
I dont have a picture cause i sold the cores, but i punctured a hole in the end tank when i got in an accident and i could see the interior fin design. I do have pictures of the puncture and external fins.


But you know what..Just get the eBay kit, i don't care anymore... Use your 71 extra dollars on gas. And when you upgrade your turbo some day. Get a Godspeed 16g they are 1/10th the cost of an FP 16g and by the looks of it are the exact same thing... :rollseyes:

(Sarcasm if no one could tell)

But in all seriousness. Go cheap out and buy parts twice or three times, you'll learn a lot more valuable lessons in the end and thats the truth.

 

[xiteamxi]

You really are not going to gain much by not going with a trusted vendor on this. Think about everything we've told you, from the weld quality, to the core thickness, to customer support. The people behind the product, the liability, safety and above all... dude its ebay.

All I've heard with out someone talking out there ass was about the piping.

The weld quality was comparing an ets to a vrsf.... Core thickness is the same and from other feed back/threads I've read customer support isn't that great are you even running the vrsf fmic??

VR Speed Factory doesn't re-box eBay garbage if that's what you're thinking.

It's not like there's a $400 difference in price- I can't believe there's a two-page discussion comparing a knockoff to the real thing which is $70 more-expensive. Buy a product from a trusted vendor which is designed and proven to fit and perform instead of it's shitty copy on eBay. This is not an area you want to cheap out and buy a core that will leak, couplers and clamps that will fail, and piping that can crack or split.

Even if they would use the same core, the stronger piping and couplers in the VRSF kit is MORE than worth the $70 upgrade. The eBay piping is seriously shittier than shit for quality- feels like PVC tubing wrapped in tin foil.

I'm willing to agree it may be shittier clamps,couplers,piping but as for reboxing eBay garbage why is every one so ignorant to the fact they started on eBay wouldn't that also Make them "eBay garbage"? Not trying to start an argument but isant that how they started then probably realized they will save on fees/competition on eBay and sell to us via here.

"1 out of 10 people die of stubbornness" .

Cam Brady: [Cam Brady has just left an offensive message on a family's answering machine] By being in the same room as that machine, the kids became consenting adults! And this is 2012, who still has an answering machine in this day and age? In my lifetime, I have made over 100,000 phone calls and maybe 1,000 of them are obscene! That's a very small percentage.

Just to be nice:
The external fins are the same as the internal fins, each bar on the outside has the fins on the inside of it.
I dont have a picture cause i sold the cores, but i punctured a hole in the end tank when i got in an accident and i could see the interior fin design. I do have pictures of the puncture and external fins.


But you know what..Just get the eBay kit, i don't care anymore... Use your 71 extra dollars on gas. And when you upgrade your turbo some day. Get a Godspeed 16g they are 1/10th the cost of an FP 16g and by the looks of it are the exact same thing... :rollseyes:

(Sarcasm if no one could tell)

But in all seriousness. Go cheap out and buy parts twice or three times, you'll learn a lot more valuable lessons in the end and thats the truth.

Thanks for the input on the fins , as for An ebay turbo if that were to fail it could cause more damage then if an intercooler cracked ,coupler exploded ,ect ,I also agree cheap parts may end up with buying there more then once be it seems people get a little Caught up in the only the best part will work idea and need to look at the big picture with less ignorance some times.

This is all I can find related to this product if any one knows of a post/thread with negative feed back let me know.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-parts-feedback-reviews/379081-speed-daddy-short-route-fmic-kit.html

 

[Doubleot]

Sounds like you're cheap. The couplers and tbolt clamps that come with the vrsf kit are awesome I never had an issue with either of them. Good couplers and clamps aren't cheap it might save you some money but you will have to buy from multiple places and wait for it all.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

It seems to me that if you can get the whole kit with pipes, couplers clamps, and intercooler for $300, you shold toss the intercooler, and get a real one like ETS or Precision.

A ton of people come on here and say how their Ebay frontmount makes sooo much more power than before, and the fact is, placebos have been proven to be effective. Ask any of them if they have measured air charge temps downstream from the intercooler, and they stare at you with a blank look.

You may as well stay with the sidemount, and put 30 HP worth of stickers on your car.