eBay knockoff GT35R testing.

[The Shodan]

Sorry man im not trying to get in a flame war here, per the sites rules. You "build and design turbos" so im sure you know more than me about them.

In red, you tell me to make specific statements about the correct sizes and flow rates, yet in your first post all you did was say "you need a decent amount of oil". All of this could have been avoided if you would have taken your own advice in your first post and been a little more specific there turbo builder.



You want a .030" restrictor for BB turbos, .100" works for journal bearing.

From FP's site
Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP -4 AN Inline Filter

And i'll quote the pertinent info
"GT CHRA Ball bearing applications:

The body of the black filter features a built in .8mm (.030") restrictor as recommended by Garrett for use with their GT25R, GT30R, GT35R cartridges. "
Since this turbo is not a Garret GT CHRA, it could very well be different requirements.

Anyways, im not going to bicker over the internet anymore, I wasnt very specific, you werent very specific and Jusmx rebuilds turbo's all the time so im sure he knows exactly what he needs to do with this turbo to get it to run, the chinese engineering on it and his friend that likes to destroy things will tell if the turbo will last. Plus ive got a 12 pack of hefe's waitin for me!

We can agree to disagree, you must not have seen when I showed the exact numbers that are typically used that were very specific, this was an earlier post.

"Typically for most ball-bearing cartridges that are used by Hondas, Nissans, and mitsus need about 22-30psi of pressure at the line, and they mainly utilize a .035" restrictor. For the BW series about 40psi of oil pressure from a -4AN line is used, making sure that no 90 degree AN angles on the return line (at about a -10AN) are used for proper lubrication. "

This was stated in an earlier post. I understand that you look at FP as the gods on here, which I have no problem with, but I believe we are speaking the same language here. What you must understand is that when I speak regarding these engines, I'm thinking of over 50 different engine applications from Mitsu Charismas, Pulsars, Vauxhall, Volvos, Honda B and K series, as well as several other models.

 

[tbonitz301]

$400 gamble on something that comes from a long line of $%it products? Look at the pics you posted of the CHRA.... There are no balance grinds or anything to show any kind of balance was performed on the rotating assembly. Aside from that I find it hilarious that these chinese con artists even casted the M24 into the cover. hahahahaha I would love to see a metallurgical break down on those wheels. The turbine wheel almost looks like burnt copper.

good luck with this, glad your friend has the money to buy a $400 piece, spend the time and money buying/making parts for something that has a 1/100,000 shot of not being like the rest of he products like it.

I'm not trying to be ignorant here, but i'm tired of seeing all the vendors knocking anything they dont sell. I myself am running a ebay big16g, and it's awesome.I've seen 40.7lbs/min with it at 26psi. I cant complain for the price.If you guys would stop raping everyone with your prices then these chinese KNOCKOFF's wouldnt have a shot in hellIf you want to see the log just ask

 

[turboglenn]

I'm not trying to be ignorant here, but i'm tired of seeing all the vendors knocking anything they dont sell. I myself am running a ebay big16g, and it's awesome.I've seen 40.7lbs/min with it at 26psi. I cant complain for the price.If you guys would stop raping everyone with your prices then these chinese KNOCKOFF's wouldnt have a shot in hellIf you want to see the log just ask

+1 I would be leary of ebay turbos, BUT like you said, if vedors would stop raping people on regular turbo prices, none of us would have to buy ebay turbos.

When i took my aprenticeship at majestic, i got to see what cost is on turbo componenets and services (on garrett, MHI and holset turbos) and I can say for certain that someone is making about 6-700 bucks a shot on turbos these days. I can't say if it's the actual vendor or there distributor ( i doubt the distributor is the one though ) but when i built my turbo, My reciept was written up in retail just for the components and it was only about 510 bucks for a brand new t3/4 hybrid with 360* thrust bearing which was a new thing at the time and 2 exhaust housings (an .82 and a .63 AR). And like i said those were written up as retail as if i were to buy the parts from turbonetics and build it from scratch. I paid even less because i only actually paid wholesale cost.

Sorry to ramble about OT things, but this is the truth vendors are making a killing off turbos... It must be the rational that since that's the main component needed by us to make our desired horsepower, they must feel they can put any price they want on our wishes to go faster..i mean honestly, i got my first real MHI b16g for 425 dollars retail pricebrand new 10 years ago! I know the new 16g doesn't have a ton of new features so why has teh price gone way up on them? Now they are 650 on average for the big one

 

[spendone]

+1 I would be leary of ebay turbos, BUT like you said, if vedors would stop raping people on regular turbo prices, none of us would have to buy ebay turbos.

When i took my aprenticeship at majestic, i got to see what cost is on turbo componenets and services (on garrett, MHI and holset turbos) and I can say for certain that someone is making about 6-700 bucks a shot on turbos these days. I can't say if it's the actual vendor or there distributor ( i doubt the distributor is the one though ) but when i built my turbo, My reciept was written up in retail just for the components and it was only about 510 bucks for a brand new t3/4 hybrid with 360* thrust bearing which was a new thing at the time and 2 exhaust housings (an .82 and a .63 AR). And like i said those were written up as retail as if i were to buy the parts from turbonetics and build it from scratch. I paid even less because i only actually paid wholesale cost.

Sorry to ramble about OT things, but this is the truth vendors are making a killing off turbos... It must be the rational that since that's the main component needed by us to make our desired horsepower, they must feel they can put any price they want on our wishes to go faster..i mean honestly, i got my first real MHI b16g for 425 dollars retail pricebrand new 10 years ago! I know the new 16g doesn't have a ton of new features so why has teh price gone way up on them? Now they are 650 on average for the big one

I undertand where your coming from with the prices. You have tos ee it in the manufacture's and resellers stand point. How many turbos are actuall being sold??? Whats your overhead of your buisness/storefront. RnD??? Warranties?? and so on. There are alot of other things that factor in prices. Its not like everyone just slaps a turbo together and sell them for what it cost. If that was the case then no turbos woiuld be made nor sold. Thats just my 2 cents. I would love pricing to be alot cheaper but coming froma buisness aspect, you cant knock people for what their asking.

P.S.
I am not a buisness owner, I am only a measley employee.

 

[turboglenn]

spendone. I understand where you're coming from. I am a business owner, I have a home painting business and a tuning, welding and fabrrication and basic repair service/shop. And believe me I understand overhead and profit margins etc.. but lots of people fail to realize they could do more bulk in business if they were more competitively priced.. My painting for example. I could pull a 5k dollar profit margin on one job in 2 weeks time and that would carry most all month. But i most of the time shoot lower bids to where i will do 2 jobs and make 5-7k profit between the two of them, what this does for me is puts my name on 2 different houses that others will see and ask "who did that?" and then the oh so importnat "well how much did it cost you?" Well, then they hear a price that blows some other painters out of the water, of course i get the job, and of course as long as i do quality work for a fair price more and more of their friends and family will come to me for more goods/services. You see where i'm coming from? Do more busniess for less profit, and you'll keep doing more business resulting in more profit and repeat customers.

 

[tbonitz301]

Turboglenn i know exactly what you mean. I'm in the painting business too. Seems like we have alot in common. Painting,stunting bikes,and GST's.

 

[JusMX141]

I never bought this turbo with the intent that it will outlast and outperform a true Garrett; as a mechanic, I know that NOTHING I've ever bought with "Made in China" on it has ever outlasted or outperformed the quality item that it's copying. This goes for tools, parts, even items bought for the home.

To anyone who's ever bought a knockoff 16G and had it last and make good power, good for you. For every ONE of you, there are TEN other guys who bought the same turbo from the same vendor and it took a dump in less than a year. I've even had ones that passed though my shop that failed in LESS THAN 100 MILES, and they were getting plenty of oil and everything was hooked up as specified.

I know for a fact that most of the Chinese 16G's aren't balanced because they don't have balance grinds in the turbine or compressor wheels. I've seen at least 3 of them at my shop that had NO balancing done whatsoever. By doing this, the Chinese are telling us that these turbos cost two cents to make, and they'd rather send you 5 new ones before you get one that actually works right before they take the time to balance the ones they're selling to make them more reliable. Pathetic. They can throw these turbos together so cheap that they can throw away 5 of them and STILL be making a profit.

I never said I agreed with my buddy buying this GT35R; however he believes that his GT13 with a true Garrett CHRA didn't last 4k so this one can't be any worse, and I can somewhat see his point. The bottom line is we're eventually bolting this thing on and giving it a go, and letting you all know if it's worth the $400 price tag or if you should just save your money and get the real deal.

 

[92awddsm]

I never bought this turbo with the intent that it will outlast and outperform a true Garrett; as a mechanic, I know that NOTHING I've ever bought with "Made in China" on it has ever outlasted or outperformed the quality item that it's copying. This goes for tools, parts, even items bought for the home.

To anyone who's ever bought a knockoff 16G and had it last and make good power, good for you. For every ONE of you, there are TEN other guys who bought the same turbo from the same vendor and it took a dump in less than a year. I've even had ones that passed though my shop that failed in LESS THAN 100 MILES, and they were getting plenty of oil and everything was hooked up as specified.

I know for a fact that most of the Chinese 16G's aren't balanced because they don't have balance grinds in the turbine or compressor wheels. I've seen at least 3 of them at my shop that had NO balancing done whatsoever. By doing this, the Chinese are telling us that these turbos cost two cents to make, and they'd rather send you 5 new ones before you get one that actually works right before they take the time to balance the ones they're selling to make them more reliable. Pathetic. They can throw these turbos together so cheap that they can throw away 5 of them and STILL be making a profit.

I never said I agreed with my buddy buying this GT35R; however he believes that his GT13 with a true Garrett CHRA didn't last 4k so this one can't be any worse, and I can somewhat see his point. The bottom line is we're eventually bolting this thing on and giving it a go, and letting you all know if it's worth the $400 price tag or if you should just save your money and get the real deal.

What did your buddy do with the gt13? Strange but I have a collection of blown dsm turbos and that would make a nice addition

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Vendors don't sell it because we know where it comes from and what standard they are made too. I can't tell you how many times we have seen these parts on cars and the crap results they show and damage they cause. That's why we don't sell it.

making $700 on a turbo?! Are you kidding? I would kill to make 20% of that on any turbocharger sold. Hell we're lucky to make 10-15% these days. We pay a certain amount for turbos and they aren't cheap.

I am al for trying something new and different. We do it all the timebut we have seen how these products perform, we know what they do, we know the damage they cause through failure. That's all.

As far as the ebay 16G, you probably have the one done by tc.com which wasn't a bad turbo. They know what they are doing over there.

 

[JusMX141]

What did your buddy do with the gt13? Strange but I have a collection of blown dsm turbos and that would make a nice addition

I believe he gave the center section to someone he knew to turn in as a core for the Garrett "ball-bearing exchange" program:

TurboByGarrett.com - BB Service

I still have the compressor cover (T04S) and Mitsu bolt-on exhaust housing at my shop in case I ever found a good GT30R that I wanted to convert into a Mitsu bolt-on.

 

[spendone]

Vendors don't sell it because we know where it comes from and what standard they are made too. I can't tell you how many times we have seen these parts on cars and the crap results they show and damage they cause. That's why we don't sell it.

making $700 on a turbo?! Are you kidding? I would kill to make 20% of that on any turbocharger sold. Hell we're lucky to make 10-15% these days. We pay a certain amount for turbos and they aren't cheap.

I am al for trying something new and different. We do it all the timebut we have seen how these products perform, we know what they do, we know the damage they cause through failure. That's all.

As far as the ebay 16G, you probably have the one done by tc.com which wasn't a bad turbo. They know what they are doing over there.

From our standpoint being vendors within the industry we really dont make anything much as stated. Anyone can always "whore" out the turbos at a few bucks above cost but what will the turbo or the lineup be worth when reselling?? NOTHING! As stated, I know our cost price and we definately only make about 10% over that. That 10% will hardly cover overhead on a retail front. Just think how many turbos a shop actually sells within a months time. Its definately not much unless your FP, which specializes in building them.

 

[ApexVIII]

so any results on how the turbo performs??

 

[turboglenn]

Oops erased all that writing..err, never mind...

Sorry to go OT, let us know how the china-35r does

 

[crimsondragon]

Right on. I was just asking Mr. Garrett his personal opinion since he builds and designs turbos, and "might kinda" know how they work.


Here are the pics, as promised:

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What's with that nick on the exhaust flange?

 

[JusMX141]

so any results on how the turbo performs??

As I said much earlier in the thread, this turbo isn't going to be on the car anytime soon....I'm waiting for the car's owner to locate a manifold and other accessories before this turbo will be bolted on. The time it takes is all up to him. He's a married man- his car is just one of his "toys" so unfortunately he doesn't have alot of money to throw at it all the time. I just created the thread as I received the turbo at my shop when it was initially purchased.

What's with that nick on the exhaust flange?

I just double-checked, there's no nick in the housing. There must've been some oil on the housing right there that reflected when I snapped the photo. They coat these knockoff turbos with a thick film of oil to keep them from developing surface rust while in shipment and storage....most of which I wiped off immediately after removing it from the box.

 

[talon187]

so whens the testing going to start ?

 

[webconnect]

You should be banned

 

[Ravenous]

You should be banned

WTF Who? What?

 

[bastarddsm]

Big words for somone with 93 posts and 7 months of membership...

 

[webconnect]

Yeah that came off strong but that was a very stupid post because the OP answered that question numerous times, and the post before directly before talon187's question answers it! wtf

 

[Boo5t_Addict]

You can't just say that someone should be banned for a question like that. Bit of an attitude you've got, webconnect.

 

[T9S1i]

i think he was just making a joke, he already said that it came off a little strong.

I mean come on, people make jokes like that all the time. And the guy asked a question that had been answered in detail in the post directly above his. I mean come on!

None of any of these last few posts (including mine) have done anything to aid to the info in this thread, so lets just shut up until sir-breaks-a-lot puts his turbo on and we can see if he breaks it too...

**Pulls up chair**

 

[scottr126]

So how similar is this thing to a real GT35r? Would a rear gt35r compressor cover and turbine housing bolt right on?

 

[talon187]

maybe i should of ben alittle more specfi justin do you think you may have some testing done at the end of summer or more next season?

 

[mikelv]

spendone. I understand where you're coming from. I am a business owner, I have a home painting business and a tuning, welding and fabrrication and basic repair service/shop. And believe me I understand overhead and profit margins etc.. but lots of people fail to realize they could do more bulk in business if they were more competitively priced.. My painting for example. I could pull a 5k dollar profit margin on one job in 2 weeks time and that would carry most all month. But i most of the time shoot lower bids to where i will do 2 jobs and make 5-7k profit between the two of them, what this does for me is puts my name on 2 different houses that others will see and ask "who did that?" and then the oh so importnat "well how much did it cost you?" Well, then they hear a price that blows some other painters out of the water, of course i get the job, and of course as long as i do quality work for a fair price more and more of their friends and family will come to me for more goods/services. You see where i'm coming from? Do more busniess for less profit, and you'll keep doing more business resulting in more profit and repeat customers.

+1 My friend

I have a major in business right now, and when I retire from the military, I plan on selling a quality product that is extremely well priced.
I for one, am also tired of the over-priced products. I'm not going to call anyone out here, but sometimes it just gets out of hand.
Hence, we see this trend of lower priced competition.
In the end, it's all about smarts, and good old fashioned quality work.

Sorry to get off topic, just thought it was an interesting point.
Good luck with the turbo man, let us know how it works out for you. Man, I would just love to see an Ebay knock off pull 10's or better on a street car. Boy wouldn't that shut some people up, and make them change their tunes.