Can’t decide on the Turbo for my setup, need your opinions

[Prodigyman]

My FPBT28 seals are gone and it's time to upgrade so after anyone who I know told me to stay as far away as I can from sschrome EVO III kits on eBay I convinced them to take it back and refund me the money. So I was sitting here on classified sections trying to get a slightly used EVO III and it hit me, maybe I should consider something bit bigger for my setup. Here is what I currently got:

Stock Engine and internals (rebuild ~40 000 miles ago) but 272 HKS Cams (In/Exhaust) which I haven't installed yet, I might even sell em depending if I really need em.
255 FP rewired
FT AFPR
Denso 660CC (they prob flow like 690s)
32" FMIC with custom piping + HKS QSSV
3" Turbo back with new best add-on ever IMO: 3" electric exhaust cutout on the DP (can't wait to get the turbo and play around with this
MAFT Gen 2 with LC1 WBO2
GM 3" MAF
Greddy Profec BII EBC
Manifold TBA
O2H TBA

Bunch of other things for drive train too, check the profile

So I want to get your opinions on what you guys think is the best turbo for me to get for this setup to make most efficient power

 

[compression]

i would say go with a slightly used evo 3 16g they have proven to make over 400whp and over 430 wtq and i know somebody who has an evo 3 16g for sale if interested pm me,

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

What? Hell no, saying an evo3 16G makes 400whp is like saying you'll get 360 out a Big T28. He's ready for a 50 or 57 trim, all he needs is engine management if he doesnt have it. I'm about to move up to 50 trim in a month, there's no way in hell I'd even think about "upgrading" to any kind of 16G. Most Big T28s are rated 550cfm anyway, same as most big 16Gs. Why struggle to squeeze 400whp when a bigger street turbo can get there way easier with his mods.

Go bolt on 50 trim, like SCM 5031RE, garret bb, 3200 spool, and straight bolt on to your existing housing. That's what I'm doing. Unless I go 57 trim, same cost.

 

[compression]

http://www.slowboyracing.com/downloads/dyno graphs/Evo-III-16G/E316G Tubular vs. Cast.JPG

hes not saying he just wants to get rid of his t28, he is saying the seals are gone in it meaning he needs a new turbo regardless , and a slightly used evo 3 16g can be had for about 400 $, and can make quite a bit of power with the right supporting mods, and will require less supporting mods then a scm5031 , i dont argue with the fact that larger turbos make more power but that doesnt mean you cant make the same power on a smaller turbo. im upgrading to a scm6152 myself but that doesnt mean the evo 3 16g i have wont push me into the 11's i just want something that might get me into the 10's later, he didnt really say any specific goal , so i went with the information provided.

 

[Prodigyman]

My goal is really to utilize the new listed parts I've got for my car listed above. I think I'll be selling my cams and adding that to refund I got from eBay turbo kit and combining that to get proper genuine Turbo & manifold. I wouldn't be changing anything that I've listed there, I just want a turbo which will utilize my mods to full potential and I have a feeling 16G wouldn't do just that. As for my WHP goal, ideally 350-400 MAX is all I want since this is a summer daily driver but whatever I can tune it to with Logger/ MAFT Gen 2 is what it will be. I've done research on T28 to 20G but there are A Lot more choices out there and I am bit overwhelmed with options trying to make the right decision.

Thx for the replies


PS: My compressor housing seal is gone on FPBT28 so I got tons of oil in my FMIC, thx god it didn't get to the engine and I found the problem on time (after losing 4L of oil under a month ) so instead of rebuilding it I decided to upgrade to something better, my old setup wasn't really working out for me

 

[compression]

Well if money isnt an issue go with something like the scm turbo's or a full garrett setup with an external wastegate.

i honestly think it is easier to get farther with the cams and an evo 3 16g then it is with some sort of 50 trim on stock cams, you can always upgrade turbos later, but unless you sell your cams for close to what you bought them for i would just keep them.

 

[daren_p]

If you want to max out any setup thats going to be an upgrade from the t28, defently keep the cams. Even if you continued to run a smaller turbo, the cams would still give you a nice bump in the top end. A larger turbo will just make that bump even more noticeable. I guess what you go with depends on your budget & personal preference. It if want to stick to a Mitsu a 20g would be a nice upgrade, the common "50 or 57 trim" such as the PTE5031 is a very common upgrade & can be know to make some nice numbers on both pump & race gas. If your concerned with spool & don't mind spending abit more go with the dual ball bearing version of the turbo. If money isn't an option go all out & get the Forced Performance 3052.

 

[Poloturbo]

Just sold my BR20G setup, looking for the same kinda setup as you. More road racing in mind.
The 20G spool quite fast but not 16g fast like my old Big16G

12.32 at 112 on the Big 16g
11,98 at 116 on the 20G

Stock 2G motor no cams, stock TB, stock intake, 221 Spearco FMIC, 550

I'm leaning towards the EVO3 Mitsubishi, fast spool up great power potentiel and one of the dsmQuebec guy did and amazing 11.63 at 119mph on it...

 

[daren_p]

Just sold my BR20G setup, looking for the same kinda setup as you. More road racing in mind.
The 20G spool quite fast but not 16g fast like my old Big16G

12.32 at 112 on the Big 16g
11,98 at 116 on the 20G

Stock 2G motor no cams, stock TB, stock intake, 221 Spearco FMIC, 550

I'm leaning towards the EVO3 Mitsubishi, fast spool up great power potentiel and one of the dsmQuebec guy did and amazing 11.63 at 119mph on it...

Wow, great time but that defently isn't the "norm" for an evoIII. I thought shapegsx was the fastest with the evoIII but I believe that time beats him. I would suspect that your friend had most if not all bolt on mods? Also what kind of boost ~30, dropping to mid 20's at redline?

While the evoIII is a great turbo for road racing & can make great times at the drags, it really has to be maxed out to do so (as far as the drags go). I think the origional poster might be looking for something abit larger and doesn't care about spool as much. I know you can't beat Mitsu reliability but have you considered a PTE 5031 BB turbo? Will have the power potential if not more then your 20g & will probably spool quicker as well (which turbine wheel did you run?).

prodigyman, I see your local to me. If you would have asked a month ago I could have taken you for a ride to see what the evoIII with cams is like, but the cars now in storage. I'm sorta in the same boat as you, I've run the evoIII for 2 years & I think I want something abit larger for more top end. Lag is defently overrated but I do defently like the quick spool as my car is mainly street driven. Im leaning towards the "50 or 57 trim" (5031RE or 3431RE) PTE BB bolt ons or I might just go all out and step up to the FP3052.

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

Is that the Green? What's the advantage with going with that instead of the garret bb 50/57? I like the latter because I can get versions that bolt right up to stock 2G manifold.

 

[CanadianTSi]

I deffinitly vote for a bolt-on 50 trim.

The Green is Forced Performance's version of a bolt-on 50 trim.

 

[dwdsm]

50-trim, pull all the way to redline and have some room to go faster. they are all over the place used.

 

[daren_p]

Is that the Green? What's the advantage with going with that instead of the garret bb 50/57? I like the latter because I can get versions that bolt right up to stock 2G manifold.

Is what the green? A green is a hybrid 50 trim, obviously made by FP. They use a mitsu turbine housing & center section with the TD06H turbine wheel, they mate it to a custom garrett comp wheel. Its non ball bearing & will both right up, it is very reliable & has been proven to post quick times.

If your refering to the FP3052 thats something completely different, it uses a custom FP designed turbine housing the will bolt to the exhaust manifold but uses Vband clamps for the down pipe & for the external wastegate that must be mounted off the turbine housing. This housing is desined from gound up so it is designed for max performance, unlike the common "bolt on" turbos you see everwhere. It uses the garrett GT30 center section (which is ball bearing), mated to a 52 lb/min wheel. While the turbo itself is only $100 or 200 more then a green, you must buy a 44mm Tial vband wastegate and get a custom V band O2 housing, so it adds up to being a good amount more (unless of course you were already thinking about going to an external WG & tubuler O2 housing)

 

[Poloturbo]

Wow, great time but that defently isn't the "norm" for an evoIII. I thought shapegsx was the fastest with the evoIII but I believe that time beats him. I would suspect that your friend had most if not all bolt on mods? Also what kind of boost ~30, dropping to mid 20's at redline?

While the evoIII is a great turbo for road racing & can make great times at the drags, it really has to be maxed out to do so (as far as the drags go). I think the origional poster might be looking for something abit larger and doesn't care about spool as much. I know you can't beat Mitsu reliability but have you considered a PTE 5031 BB turbo? Will have the power potential if not more then your 20g & will probably spool quicker as well (which turbine wheel did you run?).

prodigyman, I see your local to me. If you would have asked a month ago I could have taken you for a ride to see what the evoIII with cams is like, but the cars now in storage. I'm sorta in the same boat as you, I've run the evoIII for 2 years & I think I want something abit larger for more top end. Lag is defently overrated but I do defently like the quick spool as my car is mainly street driven. Im leaning towards the "50 or 57 trim" (5031RE or 3431RE) PTE BB bolt ons or I might just go all out and step up to the FP3052.

Yes the EVO3 at 28-29 dropping to 26 at redline, stock 1G manifold and even stock 1G exhaust mani at that time...

I think the PTEBB 5031RE is not that better if you take into consideration the 19-20 of boost factor on 94 octane with long road racing sessions.
A few guy's changed this year from the EVO3 to the 50 trim and you know what, almost ALL of them were slower but had a better mph...