Anyone use SparkTech COP + CDI?

[VETTE_50_TH]

I was cruising EvoM forums today, and i saw the AMS Pikes Peak car, and it was sponsored by Sparktech. I was reading about the sparktech system on EvoM and i went to the website and found they make it for not only evos, but dsms as well. Has anyone ran a SparkTech COP or currently using it, and which kit did you get? The basic or the pro with the CDI by M&W. From what i hear, M&W are one of the best CDI's on the market. Is this true and what have you read, heard, or experienced??

Let the discussion begin.

James

 

[turboglenn]

M&W is one of the best... I hadn't even heard of them until i became a haltech dealer some 10 years ago, since then i've had a good bit of experience with them and IMHP they are as good if not better than MSD and dynatek ignition systems... and teh cost reflects it. But with a stock ECU you still have to figure out how to prove sequential spark to gain anything from a COP setup at higher boost and RPM

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Glenn, what do you mean by, "you still have to figure out how to prove sequential spark to gain anything from a COP setup at higher boost and RPM ."??? I thought that the purpose of a CDi was to make the most out of the COP? Also, there are 2 and 4 channel M&W's, and Sparktech says that the 4 channel should be used by a standalone like AEM EMS.

Coil on Plug Systems : Spark Tech, The Online Store

Also, they look very, very nice, and give you tech support and wire everything it seems.

James

 

[gsxtasy]

While an ignition amp greatly helps COP setups, I am not so sure that it is better than say, a stock ignition with amplifier. M&W is one of the better setups you can buy. Oh and by the way 'EMS' stands for engine management system. It isn't a brand of engine management, although I'm sure you were talking about AEM.

 

[gsxtasy]

What are you talking bout willis.

James

I'm just saying I doubt a COP with ignition amp is better than stock ignition with an ignition amp.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

. Nevermind. I meant i changed my second post there. Why is that though? Why even make COP then if they aren't going to really help at all? Please don't say becuase they look cool.

James

 

[gsxtasy]

. Nevermind. I meant i changed my second post there. Why is that though? Why even make COP then if they aren't going to really help at all? Please don't say becuase they look cool.

James

Because, if you can run each coil to it's own channel and set the dwell maps properly, then they are a benefit. For the average joe....because they look cool.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Can you set dwell maps in dsmlink for a 4 channel? My 1000th post woot!!

James

 

[gsxtasy]

Can you set dwell maps in dsmlink for a 4 channel? My 1000th post woot!!

James

Not at this time.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

So i would have to go to the AEM EMS then. Is it really worth it be able to set the spark to individual channels? Also, does the M&W get rid of the transistor pack and box on the firewall?? Thanks for the help btw Aaron and Glenn. What are your feelings on AEM EMS. If i have the money, should i just do it?

James

 

[gsxtasy]

So i would have to go to the AEM EMS then. Is it really worth it be able to set the spark to individual channels? Also, does the M&W get rid of the transistor pack and box on the firewall?? Thanks for the help btw Aaron and Glenn. What are your feelings on AEM EMS. If i have the money, should i just do it?

James

I have AEM, and I like it. Funny enough, the 2g AEM(P/N-1310) box doesn't even have 4 coil outputs. Overall, if you run COP with an ignition amp, you will be fine, I was simply saying I doubt it's 'better' than stock with an amp. That's what I'm doing, although I have altered dwell times. I ran COP, with no amp up to 30ish psi on my fp3052, after that it would cut out and sputter. With the Dynatek on, it was no problem. So, with all that being said, get the COP and amp and go, if that's what your looking for, it'll work fine.

BTW, Glenn has a haltech.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I have AEM, and I like it. Funny enough, the 2g AEM box doesn't even have 4 coil outputs. Overall, if you run COP with an ignition amp, you will be fine, I was simply saying I doubt it's 'better' than stock with an amp. That's what I'm doing, although I have altered dwell times. I ran COP, with no amp up to 30ish psi on my fp3052, after that it would cut out and sputter. With the Dynatek on, it was no problem. So, with all that being said, get the COP and amp and go, if that's what your looking for, it'll work fine.

BTW, Glenn has a haltech.

Ha. WTF. Frickin SparkTech even mentions AEM EMS in their webpage about the 4 channel CDi, and thats what you should use. I really haven't read alot about the haltech. I will have to research that. Or maybe even a Motec.

James

 

[gsxtasy]

Ha. WTF. Frickin SparkTech even mentions AEM EMS in their webpage about the 4 channel CDi, and thats what you should use. I really haven't read alot about the haltech. I will have to research that.

James

The 1g AEM box may have 4 outputs, I'm not sure.


Edit: 1g AEM(P/N-1300) does have 4 coil outputs.
2g AEM(P/N-1310) doesn't have 4 coil outputs.

 

[Burnett03]

COP alone= Ignition Downgrade
COP with CDI= Same as stock
Stock with CDI= Far better and superior than all.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I guess a benefit of going with a 4 channel though is you eliminate the "wasted" spark that the cars come with naturally and are able to tune that out. Also, you have more energy going to each individual coil since it has its own driver for each coil, esp since each one has its own coil on the plug.

James

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Ok, two things, is the igniter needed at all if i would be going with this setup? And on AEM's website, the install guide for the 1g shows a place for spare coil and injector drivers.

http://www.aempower.com/images/products/Installation Instructions 30-1300.pdf

James

 

[turboglenn]

Ok, two things, is the igniter needed at all if i would be going with this setup? And on AEM's website, the install guide for the 1g shows a place for spare coil and injector drivers.

http://www.aempower.com/images/products/Installation Instructions 30-1300.pdf

James

IF you have a plug-n-play the stock ignitor helps because the MSD style units usually require a rising edge trigger or pull up style where the ignitor uses a falling edge but delivers a rising ege to firethe coild. IN some EMS (well most all) you can configure it to fire teh CDI box directly but due to the lower energy that the ECU can supply the results aren't as consistant, especially at startup

 

[gsxtasy]

And on AEM's website, the install guide for the 1g shows a place for spare coil and injector drivers.

http://www.aempower.com/images/products/Installation Instructions 30-1300.pdf

James

Yeah sorry, I just edited my post earlier instead of posting a new one.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

IF you have a plug-n-play the stock ignitor helps because the MSD style units usually require a rising edge trigger or pull up style where the ignitor uses a falling edge but delivers a rising ege to fire the coil. IN some EMS (well most all) you can configure it to fire teh CDI box directly but due to the lower energy that the ECU can supply the results aren't as consistent, especially at startup

I thought thats what the dynatek or M&W amp is for??

James

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Yeah sorry, I just edited my post earlier instead of posting a new one.

Its cool. I just want to make sure so i know my options. I was also looking at the Motecs, and they also have 4 inj and 4 ing. I like the data acquisition options that the Motec has too. Interesting stuff.

James

 

[turboglenn]

I thought thats what the dynatek or M&W amp is for??

James

gimme a call tomorrow and i'll explain what i mean with that..the posting would get way too long for something i could explain in 5 minutes on the phone..just don't call before noon

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Haha. Ok. I'll call after work. Expect it around 7 your time.

James

 

[turboglenn]

cool, i'll be by the phone...

 

[gsxtasy]

Its cool. I just want to make sure so i know my options. I was also looking at the Motecs, and they also have 4 inj and 4 ing. I like the data acquisition options that the Motec has too. Interesting stuff.

James

A little off topic, but the staged injection in AEM is awesome. I am using it, and it's easy to setup and smooth. Nothing like stock idle/cruise with 1900cc/cyl worth of fuel at hand.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

A little off topic, but the staged injection in AEM is awesome. I am using it, and it's easy to setup and smooth. Nothing like stock idle/cruise with 1900cc/cyl worth of fuel at hand.

That's why this is in the nub forum. Its a playground in here. I'm looking at three things right now, which is dsmlink, AEM, or the Motec. And i think i may have, or will out grow the dsmlink with going to road racing. Just because, i think i may want to run drivers to each coil and having less BS for wiring and what not. Plus, they seem to have a little bit more to offer off the bat, than what dsmlink can do. Not to put down what dsmlink "can" do, i just think i may have to move on.

James